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Point one of the notability guideline asks for coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The words in bold are the key there!
International is the keyword here... define it how you will, the essence is that they must have set foot in multiple countries. I like to use 2 “major countries” as a benchmark, [9] but you can argue this as long as they flew overseas and did a show there, AND linked that show to a show they did in their home country/another country.
Across the Great Divide Tour is an international tour - there were shows in both Australia and New Zealand. However, the New Zealand shows weren’t announced as part of the tour from the start; initially the tour was advertised as Australian shows only, whilst in New Zealand the advertising was simply “Powderfinger and Silverchair together in concert”. If it had remained like that, it would NOT have been an international tour, as the shows in NZ weren’t part of the tour itself, but were “just shows”. [10]
Be sure to check out travel agencies and organisations like TicketMaster - if they advertise the tour, you know it’s notable enough locally, and you now just need to see if it’s international. For this, many businesses that organise international touring “experiences” are useful - look for the tour on their website, there will usually be links to where you can find more (citable) information about the tour itself. [11]
Many album articles at the moment are notable because the artist who produces them is notable, so this is a bit of an infinite loop. The easiest to way to get out of it is to get two independent sources for the album or for the record label, thus asserting notability for THEM. [12]
It’s usually easier to focus on the album. Look through all the music review websites around, try and find stuff about the album. A review that contains contextual information [13] is good - get two [14] and you’ve got a notable album.
ARIA Awards in Australia, Grammy Awards in the USA, BRIT Awards in the UK are all major awards. [17] There are many more awards that have articles, and most of them would scrape the band/artist through this criteria, but it’s best to start from the biggest awards and work your way down.
Be sure you’ve looked through the awards archives for the respective award. Some of them (like the ARIA Awards) have websites designed by Satin, making it near on impossible to find your band mentioned without just loading every year’s awards and hitting Ctrl + F. Some awards sites (and some mirror sites or sites devoted to awards sites) are designed so you can search for your artist and find everything they’ve won - these sites deserve a barnstar. If you can find them, use them.
Generally, the nation’s official music chart is good enough for the criteria, so just work with that. Depending on how the chart functions, you may be able to argue that getting #458 on the Nowheresville National Chart is good enough, but this rarely works - top 40 or top 100 is most likely to get you through, depending on the country and chart design.
Many songs and albums that don’t achieve much success in the US (ie. Don't achieve the Billboard Top 40) still make it on to the ARIA Charts. That said, ARIA’s website is designed to be as difficult to use as possible, so use Australian Charts instead. It has a nifty search engine that shows how many entries they’ve had on the chart, where it peaked, etc.
This is by far the most fun criterion to play around with :) [18] Basically, to achieve notability for a band, one of the band members must have been notable in another band, or in an individual career. To achieve notability for an artist, they must be part of a band which is notable for containing an otherwise notable band member. Quite a tongue twister, so here’s an example.
Get the idea? Ross McLennan has no (direct) relation to Powderfinger - he’s never performed for them or worked for them, yet he’s notable through the notability they pass down into his band. [19]
Make sure all your band articles and artist articles are well linked, and contain all the relevant information about which bands this person has played in. It makes it so much easier to check if the article you want to create is notable! Remember, if a band is notable, so are its members, and if a person has achieved notability through an individual career, all his/her bands [20] are notable.
This is an
essay. It contains the advice or opinions of one or more Wikipedia contributors. This page is not an encyclopedia article, nor is it one of
Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been
thoroughly vetted by the community. Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints. |
Please note also that some parts of this page are still under construction. Sources that aren’t biased towards Australian music are needed especially. |
Point one of the notability guideline asks for coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The words in bold are the key there!
International is the keyword here... define it how you will, the essence is that they must have set foot in multiple countries. I like to use 2 “major countries” as a benchmark, [9] but you can argue this as long as they flew overseas and did a show there, AND linked that show to a show they did in their home country/another country.
Across the Great Divide Tour is an international tour - there were shows in both Australia and New Zealand. However, the New Zealand shows weren’t announced as part of the tour from the start; initially the tour was advertised as Australian shows only, whilst in New Zealand the advertising was simply “Powderfinger and Silverchair together in concert”. If it had remained like that, it would NOT have been an international tour, as the shows in NZ weren’t part of the tour itself, but were “just shows”. [10]
Be sure to check out travel agencies and organisations like TicketMaster - if they advertise the tour, you know it’s notable enough locally, and you now just need to see if it’s international. For this, many businesses that organise international touring “experiences” are useful - look for the tour on their website, there will usually be links to where you can find more (citable) information about the tour itself. [11]
Many album articles at the moment are notable because the artist who produces them is notable, so this is a bit of an infinite loop. The easiest to way to get out of it is to get two independent sources for the album or for the record label, thus asserting notability for THEM. [12]
It’s usually easier to focus on the album. Look through all the music review websites around, try and find stuff about the album. A review that contains contextual information [13] is good - get two [14] and you’ve got a notable album.
ARIA Awards in Australia, Grammy Awards in the USA, BRIT Awards in the UK are all major awards. [17] There are many more awards that have articles, and most of them would scrape the band/artist through this criteria, but it’s best to start from the biggest awards and work your way down.
Be sure you’ve looked through the awards archives for the respective award. Some of them (like the ARIA Awards) have websites designed by Satin, making it near on impossible to find your band mentioned without just loading every year’s awards and hitting Ctrl + F. Some awards sites (and some mirror sites or sites devoted to awards sites) are designed so you can search for your artist and find everything they’ve won - these sites deserve a barnstar. If you can find them, use them.
Generally, the nation’s official music chart is good enough for the criteria, so just work with that. Depending on how the chart functions, you may be able to argue that getting #458 on the Nowheresville National Chart is good enough, but this rarely works - top 40 or top 100 is most likely to get you through, depending on the country and chart design.
Many songs and albums that don’t achieve much success in the US (ie. Don't achieve the Billboard Top 40) still make it on to the ARIA Charts. That said, ARIA’s website is designed to be as difficult to use as possible, so use Australian Charts instead. It has a nifty search engine that shows how many entries they’ve had on the chart, where it peaked, etc.
This is by far the most fun criterion to play around with :) [18] Basically, to achieve notability for a band, one of the band members must have been notable in another band, or in an individual career. To achieve notability for an artist, they must be part of a band which is notable for containing an otherwise notable band member. Quite a tongue twister, so here’s an example.
Get the idea? Ross McLennan has no (direct) relation to Powderfinger - he’s never performed for them or worked for them, yet he’s notable through the notability they pass down into his band. [19]
Make sure all your band articles and artist articles are well linked, and contain all the relevant information about which bands this person has played in. It makes it so much easier to check if the article you want to create is notable! Remember, if a band is notable, so are its members, and if a person has achieved notability through an individual career, all his/her bands [20] are notable.