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18 September 2011

Suspected copyright violations (CorenSearchBot reports)

SCV for 2011-09-18 Edit Wikipedia:Suspected copyright violations/2011-09-18

Copyright investigations (manual article tagging)
The text has already been removed, but the article history suggests a backwards copy to me. January ( talk) 11:28, 27 September 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Backwardscopy. Tag and explanation placed at talk page. Good eye, January. That's a backwards copy all right. :/ I've tagged it and am investigating to see if they need to be listed at Mirrors & Forks, as they've copied an awful lot of our content on that one page alone. I'll let Minimac know. Not sure if Minimac has encountered a backwardscopy before, might not know to check the history for this kind of thing. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:11, 1 October 2011 (UTC) reply
I certainly have seen backwardscopy before, and I never knew that this site is suspected to copy phrases from Wikipedia. I do in general find the word "wiki" on any site just to check to see if this is the case, but on this particular site I couldn't find it, and that's what made me assume that the work on that site is copyrighted. Minima © ( talk) 17:27, 1 October 2011 (UTC) reply
This site was not suspected to copy phrases from Wikipedia. I have just found out that they do. There's no reason not to assume that the work is copyrighted, particularly since they claim it is, but part of the job of working at WP:CP is learning to recognize when other sites copy us without attribution. It's not just a matter of removing duplicated text, but verifying that we need to. :) If you haven't read through it lately, Wikipedia:Copyright problems/Advice for clerks includes a section on recognizing backwards copyright issues. One of the biggest flags for me is when I check early versions of an article and I see some but not all of the duplicated text. That doesn't always prove backwards copying, but it frequently does. It's enough to start me closely evaluating for this.
Reviewing Wikipedia:Copyright problems/Advice for clerks would probably be a good idea in general. For instance, I note you're still addressing articles right after they are tagged. I do appreciate the work you do here. Your help on this board is very welcome - we certainly need it - but please remember that we're supposed to allow the community a minimum of five days before we address the issues ourselves. And please make notes on the daily pages as to what you've done. The procedures are all outlined in that document. :) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:12, 1 October 2011 (UTC) reply


Hi. :) This is a little confusing, since the link to the external source you offer postdates the edits you link on Wikipedia. I just want to be sure you realize that this is a noticeboard for handling copyright problems where we have copied other people. If you've found a case of backwards copying, you should tag the article talk page with {{ copyvio}} and, if you'd like, consider contacting to request proper attribution. The procedure is at Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks. I'll check back in case I am not understanding you correctly. :) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:49, 1 October 2011 (UTC) reply
Please see my last comment on the articles talk page. When I found the source ( http://www.lwcag.org/european-peoples/harold-i-first-king-of-a-united-norway.html) there I was reading Harold I First King of a United Norway Tue, 03 Aug 2010 19:41:08 | European Peoples. The edit in wikipedia was at 16 August 2011, more than one year later. After my edit here, the date was changed by someone, who is able to do so, to the 18 September 2011. Yeah, it is confusing, maybe the original author do not want to have work or trouble with giving a license, or want to be anonymous on wikipedia, but maybe the date is not changed by the original author, but by any other. Google showed in the search result the date 3 August for some days after that, now goggle find it not anymore. But now I found http://books.google.de/books?id=kfv6HKXErqAC&pg=PA831&lpg=PA831&dq=%22The+tension+between+increasingly+centralized%22&f=false#v=onepage&q=%22The%20tension%20between%20increasingly%20centralized%22&f=false -- Diwas ( talk) 17:52, 1 October 2011 (UTC) reply
There are more edits of User:Alphasinus in the article, and in other articles there are edits of alphasinus and and other sockpuppets. -- Diwas ( talk) 18:54, 1 October 2011 (UTC) reply
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18 September 2011

Suspected copyright violations (CorenSearchBot reports)

SCV for 2011-09-18 Edit Wikipedia:Suspected copyright violations/2011-09-18

Copyright investigations (manual article tagging)
The text has already been removed, but the article history suggests a backwards copy to me. January ( talk) 11:28, 27 September 2011 (UTC) reply
  • Backwardscopy. Tag and explanation placed at talk page. Good eye, January. That's a backwards copy all right. :/ I've tagged it and am investigating to see if they need to be listed at Mirrors & Forks, as they've copied an awful lot of our content on that one page alone. I'll let Minimac know. Not sure if Minimac has encountered a backwardscopy before, might not know to check the history for this kind of thing. -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:11, 1 October 2011 (UTC) reply
I certainly have seen backwardscopy before, and I never knew that this site is suspected to copy phrases from Wikipedia. I do in general find the word "wiki" on any site just to check to see if this is the case, but on this particular site I couldn't find it, and that's what made me assume that the work on that site is copyrighted. Minima © ( talk) 17:27, 1 October 2011 (UTC) reply
This site was not suspected to copy phrases from Wikipedia. I have just found out that they do. There's no reason not to assume that the work is copyrighted, particularly since they claim it is, but part of the job of working at WP:CP is learning to recognize when other sites copy us without attribution. It's not just a matter of removing duplicated text, but verifying that we need to. :) If you haven't read through it lately, Wikipedia:Copyright problems/Advice for clerks includes a section on recognizing backwards copyright issues. One of the biggest flags for me is when I check early versions of an article and I see some but not all of the duplicated text. That doesn't always prove backwards copying, but it frequently does. It's enough to start me closely evaluating for this.
Reviewing Wikipedia:Copyright problems/Advice for clerks would probably be a good idea in general. For instance, I note you're still addressing articles right after they are tagged. I do appreciate the work you do here. Your help on this board is very welcome - we certainly need it - but please remember that we're supposed to allow the community a minimum of five days before we address the issues ourselves. And please make notes on the daily pages as to what you've done. The procedures are all outlined in that document. :) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 18:12, 1 October 2011 (UTC) reply


Hi. :) This is a little confusing, since the link to the external source you offer postdates the edits you link on Wikipedia. I just want to be sure you realize that this is a noticeboard for handling copyright problems where we have copied other people. If you've found a case of backwards copying, you should tag the article talk page with {{ copyvio}} and, if you'd like, consider contacting to request proper attribution. The procedure is at Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks. I'll check back in case I am not understanding you correctly. :) -- Moonriddengirl (talk) 16:49, 1 October 2011 (UTC) reply
Please see my last comment on the articles talk page. When I found the source ( http://www.lwcag.org/european-peoples/harold-i-first-king-of-a-united-norway.html) there I was reading Harold I First King of a United Norway Tue, 03 Aug 2010 19:41:08 | European Peoples. The edit in wikipedia was at 16 August 2011, more than one year later. After my edit here, the date was changed by someone, who is able to do so, to the 18 September 2011. Yeah, it is confusing, maybe the original author do not want to have work or trouble with giving a license, or want to be anonymous on wikipedia, but maybe the date is not changed by the original author, but by any other. Google showed in the search result the date 3 August for some days after that, now goggle find it not anymore. But now I found http://books.google.de/books?id=kfv6HKXErqAC&pg=PA831&lpg=PA831&dq=%22The+tension+between+increasingly+centralized%22&f=false#v=onepage&q=%22The%20tension%20between%20increasingly%20centralized%22&f=false -- Diwas ( talk) 17:52, 1 October 2011 (UTC) reply
There are more edits of User:Alphasinus in the article, and in other articles there are edits of alphasinus and and other sockpuppets. -- Diwas ( talk) 18:54, 1 October 2011 (UTC) reply

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