Category:Fascist Wikipedians
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The result of the debate was delete --
Kbdank71
20:42, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete, Divisive category with absolutely no value, its previous primary use was a template which has now been deleted. Actually I found out about it when spotted someone using it as vandalism.
Konst.
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14:17, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Keep. It's a legitimate political party preference outside the US.--
Mike Selinker
15:06, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
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- It may be legitimate, but it is still divisive, and what purpose does it serve here?--
Konst.
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15:26, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
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- By that reasoning what purpose do any of the categories serve? Many in my opinion are completely outrageous but you don't see me pointing fingers and crying out my bleeding heart simply because I do not agree with them.
Piecraft
01:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- It serves the purpose of allowing users to categorize themselves by political preference, just like
category:Libertarian Wikipedians or any other subcategory of
category:Wikipedians by politics. That it may be divisive is a reasonable position to take (in Jimbo's note on the category, he discourages the use of those categories), but it's still no different than the others in that ubercategory. If you want to nominate them all for deletion, go ahead.--
Mike Selinker
18:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Mike S (or anyone else), if you find someone willing (preferrably a helpful bot, I would guess) to place all those tags, I'm willing to nominate at least all the issue-related ones, as I commented below. -
jc37
02:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Per Mike, reluctant Keep. --
kingboyk
23:18, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Keep of courseI find it LAUGHABLE that democracy a so-called "proponent" of
Freedom of speech is to be the downfall of us Fascist idealists having a category to ourselves. You call yourselves free? I find it ridiculous, you may say it is divisive but it is as divisive as Anarchiy, Communism, Feminism or Libertarianism. We are NOT Nazis, we are NOT evil and NO we are NOT going to allow you to delete the category because you are simply anti-Fascist. This is purely antagonzation of a group who is worthy of representation. You already deleted our tag and now you are attemtping to delete the category? If you do delete this category I will cook up such a storm on Wikipedia that I'll take it to the highest powers, and the result willl be messy - meaning, that every other category will also become subject to deletion. Do not try to be wise asses, NOW who's being the democratic induced self-proclaimed "Fascists"? Ironic n'est pas? The fact that this was put up for deletion does not even warrant to be taken seriously as no other category has been put up. Fascism is still alive and well as a political movement and philosophy.
Piecraft
01:22, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Wow, you could not be more destructive to your cause, Piecraft. I'm going to retain my keep vote for now, but be aware that that attitude is the kind of thing that will make me change it.--
Mike Selinker
03:12, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment This category is problematic. It is divisive. And in fact as an admin, I have been dragged into the midst of '2 separate rows between fascists and non-fascists (plus 1 more over another political group), these are both involving personal attacks on a political level. In one I am accused of anti-fascist censorship, and in another I am accused of sympathising with fascists (so which one is it?). Those voting keep, please consider dealing with the political flame-wars yourselves, because I will no longer extend my voluntary contributions as an admin here to keeping peace over this utter bullshit and nonsense. They can call each other whatever they like, they can vandalise each other's user pages by putting in this category against the user's will, they can accuse Wikipedia's admins of being
"fascist cockknockers",
"idiots",
"snarky sociopathic nerds" of "WiKKKpedia", they can
bark out oders at others, they can they can
use the category in question to spam recruitment invitations, they can refer to each other as
"you little piece of shit" they can
kick and scream and keep re-creating their advertisement material which was deleted through unanimous community consensus on AfD and accusing whomever deletes it of censorship, they can
resort to straight out vandalism using this category - I don't care any more. Let it stay and please both the fascists and the anti-fascists, let them fight over it, abuse and threaten each and propagate their "free speech". Let them, I've had enough.--
Konst.
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02:15, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - (to use a vernacular reference) Whoa, dude. Chill out. : ) I'm sorry to hear that vandal fighting has been that tough for you. I am sure that everyone here appreciates all efforts along those lines. Is there anything we can do to help you (lessen the load somehow?) -
jc37
02:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Strong Delete - For a category of only 3 Wikipedians, this category has simply too great a potential to being greatly misused, per Konstable, above. (See also the comment below about
the related Afd) -
jc37
02:41, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- comment, those three people are not the ones vandalising or being destructive against the Wikipedia cause. Please guide your investigations deeper to root out the vandals and trouble-makers and not crash on our parade simply because we wish to be identified under the ideology and philosophy of Fascism. I am not a bad person I do not kill nor vandalise pages nor do I seek to cause problems, but I find it rather disturbing that it's okay for this continuous attack on Fascism to continue simply because it's "divisive" which it is not. If this category is divisive then so are each of the other philosophical and political categories. As for you
Mike Selinker, I did not mean to come across as being a complete freak in my last statement, but try to understand how it would feel to be targetted for simply upholding a simple userbox for your own personal views - I can see you don't possess any on your user page and that's fine. To be honest I don't really care about the outcome of the entirety of all this debate over whether or not userboxes are necessary, but I do feel offended that someone would only try to delete the Fascist category simply because they don't agree or like Fascism or Fascists. That in itself it hypocritical and that is why I stated I would nominate the entire political category and take it up further to other admins, because I don't agree that it is alright to delete just ONE category which happens to be Fascism and not any other category i.e. Communism, Anarchy or Feminism when they are clearly as divisive as the Fascist one. Thank you for your time.
Piecraft
11:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment- "...but try to understand how it would feel to be targetted for simply upholding a simple userbox for your own personal views..." - Not the userbox, just the related category. Per citations from Konstable above, in my opinion it's become too volatile an issue. As an aside, I'm "on the fence" about political party/dogma categories, in general (per "issues" vs "organisations").
And I seriously am empathetic with your concerns about being the little guy. Is there a compromise of some kind we can come up with? -
jc37
13:35, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- well yes I was referring to the category, sorry I accidentally said userbox. But my statement still stands regarding the presence of the category. I find it truly unfair if this category is deleted simply to satiate the Anti-Fascists. What next? deleting the Communist category because of the Anti-Communists? Come on! Political or not there's a time and place for everything and if we're having every other philosophical and political category in the user categories then there should be a place for Fascism, just as there is a place for Republicans, and Taoists. There is no double standard here, only those that people make-up to cover their asses.
Piecraft
14:47, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Further Comment, I would like to add as well that
Konstable has lately been picking in particular articles relating to Fascism. He or she seems to have some trouble with Fascists having some sort of presence on Wikipedia (no I don't mean evil overlords who want everything their way - as some may mistaken the term), therefore I would once again plea the closing admin to take into consideration the factors, this is clearly comparable to bully tactics.
Piecraft
14:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - I presume that Konstable's protection of
this due to
this is what you're talking about. In this case, he's right. If you're upset that the article was deleted, take it to deletion review. Also, the fact that an article (which appears to be associated with the category) was deleted , is another strike against the category, in my opinion. I especially like
Camillus's statement: "WP:Not for Fascism made up in school one day." -
jc37
15:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Further Comment - Well, after reading through Konstable's and your contributions, I lost my sense of "underdog" empathy for you (note strike-out above). I feel a general sense of revulsion to the various actions I've been seeing, actually. I'm going to have to give everything I've seen some further consideration. -
jc37
15:40, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Yet another comment,
jc37 I think you've somehow confused what I was saying. I have no idea what you're implying. I couldn't care less whether people are "on the fence" or not. To be honest this category could easily be deleted, my point is only that it is being done in bad judgement and for the wrong reasons on behalf of Konstable who seems to be anti-Fascist and this clearly shows with his recent activity. If you are to delete this category I will bring the entire category of political and philosophical views up to be considered for deletion as well, as I do not find it right to merely target this category. I do not need any sympathy I am merely requesting the acknowledgment of another member's reasoning. As far as things still stand there is no resolution (no surprises there) because people still have not opened their eyes to the pure scandal that this nomination is actually promoting. Anyone voting delete is only strenghtening my point, by default to delete this category is proving the flaws in the system of not only Wikipedia but in the democratic system altogether and thus furthering the Fascist cause (so we win in any case).
Piecraft
17:04, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Comments (restarting indent)
- If you are further confused, feel free to ask. -
jc37
17:58, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment, before this gets any more ridiculous, I'm not here to debate semantics with you. 1) this has nothing to do with the article of the AFM, I could care less about it - it was a notable organisation and the only thing I can agree as to the removal of this article was that it may have not been NPOV. 2) anti-stress? hardly... if that were the case why simply target this category? there's no good explanation you have come up with other than it being "divisive" which is a load of pockycock as far as I can see. 3) I never portrayed Wikipedia as being a battleground I was merely making a point about the general state of things, you can relax now and stop trying to push forward the fact that I am making some sort of mini revolution on here, I am simply defending the cause for this category against all odds. 4) If wikipedia is not a soapbox then you surely need to check things through, I'm not saying you're wrong but last time I checked the majority of articles and people working on Wikipedia are constantly pushing their ideas across. I agree that opinions should be kept to each individual, however your opinion ends where mine begins - there is no space for disrespect, and I find it disrespectful for someone to carry out a deletion mission against a category for people who wish to identify themselves as Fascist when every other category seems to be safe-guarded, that if anything goes against every hypocritical policy of Wikipedia. If you want to delete this category then be fair and put all the political categories up for deletion, don't be so discriminatory. Take a good look at yourself before passing judgement and preaching to me, that's all I'm going to say on this matter and to Hell with the rest.
Piecraft
03:53, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
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Keep. What sickens me is that, although I am a self-proclaimed Fascist, there are a category of Fascists that exist that simply do not have any idea what they are talking about, and merely want to start up an argument. We have a userbox that says "This user supports the Galactic Empire (from Star Wars)" and, AFAIK, it's still there. My beliefs in Fascism extend to that anyone who is incapable of being a good citizen and is not wanting to change that status should not exist. This, I can back up with a reasonable amount of logic. This is all going to end in a hypothetical riot that will no doubt result in the ruin of this WikiPedia from the Fascist elites.
WP: NOT Democracy does not follow the ideals of preventing freedom of speech, but of preventing the usage of straw polls and the like. If we silence the voice of the Fascists, no matter how
riled up they can be, you also voice out the logical voice. And that logical voice could save the world from blind socialist reasoning. And stop making Fascism a negative connotation. I am sick of people pinning down blanket statements, for instance,
Charles Lindbergh was a Fascist, and therefore a Nazi. There are elitist Democrats too. Think about it.--
WaltCip
13:47, 2 October 2006 (UTC) Statement recanted by me.
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- I could not resist dropping by to take a look at the discussion. But I promise, this is my last post before my "break".
Piecraft, regarding the other userboxes, there are hardly any political ones left and I have just deleted 5 that I deemed divisive and inflamatory (see
here for which ones exactly). As with regards to categories, I think it is a good idea to delete them all (especially since
even Jimbo wants them gone). But if people for some reasons of "free speech", or whatever they call it, want to keep even
Category:Fascist Wikipedians (while categories relating to McDonalds and iPods are getting good support for deletion, hrm). Why did I target this category? Because some anti-fascist user was using this category as a harassment tool against another Wikipedia user (the attacker now accuses me of being an anti-fascist censor,
Piecraft I recommend you contact
User:Fmaack there and try to reach
consensus over which type of censor I am, is it fascist or anti-fascist?) Oh yeah, I got sick of
User:Dormantfascist, so I blocked him indefinitely and deleted his user page, so now there is 1 less person in this category - making it just 2. (To your earlier question Piecraft, pick one of these reasons for his block: personal attacks, incivility, disruption of Wikipedia by endless re-creation of deleted pages, then vandalism of articles, vandalism of my talk page, and silly misguided attempts to steal my account password).--
Konst.
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08:29, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment Good sir, are you implying that I - as a Fascist - harass other WikiPedians because of their beliefs against me and the fact that I, as such, would be a "divisive and inflammatory" person? I would hope not. Even if it was true,
Wikipedia is neither censored nor a censorship.. Don't take anything that's outside the norm as offensive. The only enemies are the ones that you choose to make.--
WaltCip
13:08, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - sifting through, it looks like 4 keeps (PC, MS, KB, WC) and 2 deletes (Konstable and me). Any other comments? (Attempting to get this discussion back on track to a discussion about a category.) -
jc37
16:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete divisive.
Hiding
Talk
20:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
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- I really see that winning this argument really causes nothing more than emotional strife to drive Wikipedia apart. As I don't want that to happen, Delete per nom, and I recant my Keep.--
WaltCip
20:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
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- So now it's 3 keeps (PC, MS, KB) and 4 deletes (K, WC, JC, SB). This is starting to look like the realm of "no concensus", unless we find more opinions... (see observation on talk page) -
jc37
21:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --
Mike Selinker
15:39, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Rename in accordance with
ISO 639/
RFC 3066 conventions on regional dialects. —
Psychonaut
16:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Rename. This is getting into the realms of a "speedy" candidate; the category name is either factually correct and complete or it isn't. Nobody objected to Mike's statement of fact, so it should be renamed.
kingboyk 11:34, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
This Decatur is in Alabama, not Illinois.--
Mike Selinker
03:57, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was keep --
Kbdank71
20:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete and list names of participants on project page as per the norm for projects.
Badbilltucker
23:19, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Keep - There are lots of categories for WikiProject members, so this isn't anything unique. Just look at
Category:Wikipedians by WikiProject. Categories have some advantages over lists, so I don't think there's anything wrong with this. --
Cswrye
00:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - At the very least, then, the data should be MERGEd with the parent page. As it is, one of the criteria for determining if a project is inactive or even eligible for deletion is its lack of members. Someone could mistakenly put the project up for deletion on the basis of no listed members on the project page.
Badbilltucker
16:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Keep as a sub-cat of wikipedians by wikiproject, per Cswrye. -
jc37
14:28, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Keep, perfectly normal. --
kingboyk
22:33, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Keep, perfectly normal.
Hiding
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13:34, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --
Kbdank71
20:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete --
Kbdank71
20:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
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This group seems totally unusable for creating a group to work on an encyclopedia. It is possible to write an article about Slayer, but not about opposition to Slayer. I can see objection to the IE one, though, and perhaps it may survive where others do not.--
Mike Selinker
15:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Keep per nom. There is a difference between not liking something, and not caring about something. I, for one, don't like iPods or hip-hop. The rest, I couldn't care less. --
128.227.142.136
15:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Keep the following, and delete the rest -
jc37
20:46, 25 September 2006 (UTC):
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- Delete all. And what makes IE so special that it has to be singled out? Should one editor care that another editor doesn't like IE? Nope. Zap em. --
kingboyk
22:46, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete most and keep/rename the other three per jc37. Browser usage is helpful when you are having trouble discovering why someone's screen isn't showing the same thing as yours. The rest are devilishly unencyclopedic, and I'm throwing a bone to the GUS opposers because it seems unnecessarily cruel to kick them (and they'll just create some other category, more than likely). --
nae'
blis
17:25, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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- The "Wikipedians who do not use" categories don't seem to help in that regard at all. And, you know what, if there's a technical issue which requires you to know what browser somebody is using (which these categories do NOT tell you, by the way) there's always the old-fashioned approach of asking them! --
kingboyk
17:45, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Interesting note from
Wikipedia:Userboxes#Category inclusion that jc pointed out: Do not categorise "not" based userboxes. For example: "This user does not like <noun phrase>." However, categorising by issue opposition is allowed for Wikipedians. For example: This user opposes <issue>. Seems like a very clear guideline to me.--
Mike Selinker
15:51, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Why not just delete them?! Is Wikipedia a venue for browser wars? No. --
kingboyk
22:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm not joking :) Could you please tell me why? Elsewhere on this page you've rightly advocated deleting all "not" categories. I've not heard any sound argument as to why the browser categories should be exempt. As far as I can tell they only serve as weapons in the browser war, and that has no place here. --
kingboyk
12:41, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Look at the nomination directly below this one. The question is about supporting or opposing an issue. There seems to be a rising concensus in CfD that articles about people should not be categorised by issue, due to questions of POV, citations, etc. The reverse is true for Wikipedian categories, since Wikipedians place themselves in the category. And knowing where a Wikipedian stands on an issue can potentially be helpful to fellow editors. -
jc37
13:00, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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- How can it be helpful to editors to know if another editor dislikes IE or dislikes Firefox? --
kingboyk
13:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete all, divisive, and Wikipedia isn't a social club.
Hiding
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13:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete all, it is ridiculous to categorize by what someone does not like. --
musicpvm
01:44, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - Setting aside commenting about the categories themselves, and just the intention of the cat, I think the three listed separatly should probably be listed in the nom below (opoosition categories), and not with the "not" ones (or perhaps withdrawn and relisted separately). Since you listed them Mike S., do you (or anyone else, obviously) have any issues/concerns with that? -
jc37
07:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
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- If you want to pull it out and recast it as
category:Wikipedians who oppose Internet Explorer (as "who oppose" will likely be the only "not" format to survive), that's OK with me. I still have trouble buying that as a political position or a useful editorial preference, but I have no problems with it being relisted. The userbox one is fine too. The Firefox one appears to be about a fixed bug in the programming, and deserves deletion, though. If you move them, make it a separate entry, not part of the one below.--
Mike Selinker
15:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I object. IE and Firefox are not political issues. They're web browsers. Furthermore, the people in those categories signed up to a category which says they "don't use" browser X, not that they object to it. Let's just delete this crud and move on. --
kingboyk
18:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - Thank you for the consent to allow for the modification of your nominations, Mike, But after taking a close look at not only all the
category:Wikipedians, but also reading/re-reading many policy/guideline/essay pages, among other pages, I am altering my view. (If someone else wants to follow up on MS's generous offer, I am not opposed to it, I am merely not taking him up on it at this time.) I still believe the statement I made above. However, I think we should follow the same standard we agreed to below, for all support/oppose "issue"-related Wikipedian categories: "Allow the userbox or equivalent text, and remove the category". I think that by allowing categories on issues, we potentially could actually be causing concerns about advocacy to be realised. I don't think their removal would adversely affect collaboration, because: a.) the information is available on an individual user's userpage, and b.) If one is looking for collaborators for a project, one is more likely to look for someone interested in the topic, or some sub-grouping under that topic, not the individual issues related to that topic. Sub-group and issue supporters/opposers is a fine line, and well worth discussing. I would be interested in others' opinions on this, as well. - 02:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
- Comment - A side note: the userbox issue categories could potentially be used as a reference to suggest that there are actual supporters of an issue, when the reverse has been suggested. So I think deleting that category "may" turn out to be unintentionally divisive. Relisting with all other "support/oppose" userbox issues categories would be the "fair" approach, should any one else wish to do so. -
jc37
02:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete --
Kbdank71
20:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
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These are different than the above, in that they are political philosophies. I’m suggesting renaming them to match all the other opposition categories in
category:Wikipedians by politics.--
Mike Selinker
15:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Rename all per nom. These are categories where I think that expressing opposition may be appropriate. --
Cswrye
02:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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Rename all, but change "IQ testing" to "IQ tests". -
jc37
20:46, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete all, divisive, and Wikipedia isn't a social club.
Hiding
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13:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Rename for now. If someone wants to do a blanket nom of all the "Wikipedians opposed to x" categories we can discuss the issue then, but I don't see any reason to single these out for deletion. --
kingboyk
10:35, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete all - changed per my comments under the "not" categories above. -
jc37
02:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Update: Added userbox category above. Hope this helps, Jc.--
Mike Selinker
18:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - Mike S., since, as I noted elsewhere, I'm "on the fence" with issue and belief wikipedian categories, would you drop me a note on my talk page to help explain your perspective? I'm interested in your (and anyone else's, of course) thoughts on the matter. -
jc37
18:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --
Kbdank71
20:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
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Per other categories of
category:Wikipedians by organization.--
Mike Selinker
04:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete --
Kbdank71
20:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
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We don't have a
category:Wikipedians by employer, and if we did, it would get very big very fast.--
Mike Selinker
04:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment: I don't see what the problem is really, it's supposed to go with a userbox that I made.
Vicer
04:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - I'm not sure how I feel about this one. I agree that
Category:Wikipedians by employer could be disasterous. On the other hand, McDonald's is a major corporation, and there are a lot of articles about it and its products that make it stand out much more than any ordinary company. It's possible that an employee of the company would have more knowledge about it that could be helpful in editing some of these articles. --
Cswrye
02:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - Perhaps merge this with the (now deleted) "like/eat at McDonald's" user category (My comments about retaining the "commercial" categories from that CfD still apply, I think. Considering a DRV for those (if there is such a thing for categories)... -
jc37
20:46, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete. Not useful information, best presented on a user page not thorugh category structure.
Hiding
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13:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - Having a hard time disagreeing with the above comment. Presuming
Hiding roughly means: "Support the use of the userbox, or such similar information, on the userpage; oppose the need for a category". Which I guess turns me around somewhat on the "commercial" foods perspective. I'm having a hard time imagining a McDonald's
WikiProject (compare to a Stargate WikiProject). Or even a broader commercial restaurant wikiproject... I suppose it's possible... So how about delete with the stipulation of recreation possible if wanted for collaborative effort? -
jc37
13:59, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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- That is precisely what I mean. I'd also add that no deletion is typically final, so your stipulation is not necessary.
Hiding
Talk
14:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I think that I'm leaning more in the delete direction for this reason. I don't think that this category is intended for collaborative reasons, especially since it was only created because of a userbox (I think it's okay to use userboxes to fill in existing user categories, but there's usually no reason to create a user category only because a userbox exists for it). I'll be willing to change my mind if someone can convince me that this category has been used or could be used to help editors. --
Cswrye
15:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete. Let's not have a
Category:Wikipedians by employer. The collaboration thing is a total and utter red herring (this isn't a WikiProject category); if anybody wants to find who's using the template they can use "what links here" and check for transclusions. --
kingboyk
15:37, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete - for reasons commented above, with the stipulation that it may be recreated for collaborative effort use. (While I agree that that should be presumed, it shouldn't hurt to clarify.) -
jc37
07:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment: If you guys want it to be collaborative, then so be it. I don't really mind or care too much anymore. Though it could be disasterous to have, it probably won't attract too many people. Take the McDonalds Employees groups on Yahoo for example. Only one group out of 61 has about 300 or so members, while the smallest group has five. But I guess that's a completely different story to this. -
Vicer
10:11, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete --
Kbdank71
20:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
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Delete per the demolition of all "wikipedians who eat (X)" categories.--
Mike Selinker
04:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete --
Kbdank71
20:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
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Delete per the demolition of all "wikipedians who drink (X)" categories.--
Mike Selinker
04:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete both --
Kbdank71
18:04, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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Nominated for deletion. Could probably be speedy deleted as inflammatory and divisive, but what the hell, let's try process. This frankly combative category only serves to attempt to continue the userbox wars long after the
peace accord has been agreed upon. --
Cyde Weys
04:28, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete a relic of a now dead conflict. Not useful. --
Doc
14:44, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete as divisive and not useful. ++
Lar:
t/
c
14:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete. Also we should delete
category:Wikipedians that support the SUS, which is a subcategory of this.--
Mike Selinker
15:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete - unencyclopedic nonsense, WP:NOT a battleground. -
GTBacchus(
talk)
19:49, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - Thing is, all of you are (I presume) strong
WP:GUS proponents. Technically, following the above thoughts, WP:GUS has been just as divisive (and combative), if not more so, since editors are taking direct action, using it as a rationale, as opposed to some innocous category listing. Though it's interesting to see that there are yet more editors who do not support
WP:GUS.
No vote at the moment. -
jc37
01:14, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I guess I really don't understand what's "combative" about GUS. It preserves userboxes on people's pages, it's the only solution I'm aware of that actually makes concessions to both sides. It certainly doesn't assert or imply that anybody not supporting it is against individuality, which this category does. -
GTBacchus(
talk)
08:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Indeed. Editors keep their userboxes, but they're not in any enyclopedic namespace. I really don't understand the fuss either. --
kingboyk
10:16, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
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- The fuss is a result of some people finding it inconceivable that they would not get 100% of everything that they wanted. --
Cyde Weys
02:21, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm not a proponent of the GUS, Jc. I am a proponent of reaching consensus on something and then moving on. In this case, I think the conflict is over. A new conflict might arise, and that would suggest a new organization. But this one has no cause anymore.--
Mike Selinker
16:49, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I believe I understand your meaning, MS, and save for some certain issues/events in the current situation, I would agree with you. (But this isn't the place for that side-topic discussion : ) -
jc37
18:58, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete - I might be more inclined to keep it if there were an actual Wikipedian organization or policy called the UDUIW, but it looks like this category supports something that does not exist. In particular, the name of the category implies that people who do not support userboxes also do not support individuality, which is a false accusation. Even as someone who supports userboxes and was not happy with the GUS, I don't see the reason to be this divisive. --
Cswrye
17:38, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete
Category:Users in Defense of Userboxes and Individuality on Wikipedia (UDUIW) - I have to admit that
Cswrye's points are compelling. -
jc37
- Keep -
category:Wikipedians that support the SUS. While not commenting on whether it was rejected or not (though I think the tag may have been premature, similar to situations on
WP:DENY, I don't see the associated page as infalmmatory. Though I do wonder if it was created in violation of
WP:POINT, I don't think that it's done in a harmful way. (especially considering this discussion is ongoing.) -
jc37
20:46, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Strong Keep This CfD is mean-spirited. It's a blatant move to make it harder for those with an opposing point of view to be heard. We're a long way from having an agreed upon policy regarding userboxes and it's important to keep the dialog open. You are deceiving yourself if you think there is even moderate consensus on this issue. This category is not harmful and there is no evidence that it is divisive other than you saying it is. We should not allow opiniated people to use this process to suppress the opinions of others. --
NThurston
20:20, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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- This category isn't part of what you call "open" dialog. The name of the category sets up an impediment to open dialog, by prejudicially casting the debate in terms of those in "defense of individuality", presumably versus those against individuality? How can we dialog when you're determined from the start to misunderstand my position? I fail to see how anybody's opinion is being suppressed, either. I see some thousands and thousands of words on the talk pages of
WP:UBX,
WP:GUS,
WP:SUS,
WP:T1D, etc. At the talk page of this category, on the other hand, I see a couple of paragraphs. Therefore, I don't think your contention that this category promotes dialog, nor that its deletion would amount to a suppression of dialog, is credible. -
GTBacchus(
talk)
17:59, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment This discussion has already been had and there was no consensus:
Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 February 21#Category:Users_in_Defense_of_Userboxes_and_Individuality_on_Wikipedia_(UDUIW) --
NThurston
20:32, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete per
User:Cswrye. --
Kbdank71
20:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom.
Naconkantari
22:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - Adding a tangently related category to this nomination 4 days after it was listed, is probably not a good idea. I suggest that it receive a separate listing. -
jc37
22:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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--
Cswrye
00:25, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - As co-founder of this 'group', I should note that I'm on the fence on this issue. The other co-founder left Wikipedia some time ago, and our point was made anyway. I lean towards leaving this alone. --
CJ Marsicano
02:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I was alerted to this through talk page spam so I Refuse to Vote on this or anymore userbox wars. Certain small minded individuals have wasted too much of our time with their petty crusades against opposing dogma. They have justified this through false rhetoric claiming to end divisiveness on wikipedia. These tactics have the opposite consequence. Therefore I propose that we boycott this and anymore discussions that inflame the userbox wars. By allowing these wikipedians to set the agenda, we lose sight of wikipedia's true goals. Reject the userbox wars.--
God Ω
War
02:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Keep - as being formally in this cat (before changing my views on user cats as a whole) this isn't inflamitory, and despite the above comments when read carfully actually does support the german userbox solution --
T-
rex
04:05, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete both There's absolutely no need to categorise users based on what solutions they favour to on-wiki issues; the only likely usage is for spamming, organised campaigns and fostering an "us against them" gang mentality. --
kingboyk
12:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete both per
kingboyk.
Hiding
Talk
13:31, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was no consensus --
Kbdank71
17:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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Some new ones, created between the last nomination and its implementation. The abbreviation always matches the league's conventions.--
Mike Selinker
20:59, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
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Category:Wikipedians who use the Open Directory Project
Category:IP addresses with rotating users
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The result of the debate was delete --
Kbdank71
17:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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Category:IP addresses with rotating users (
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talk |
history |
links |
watch |
logs)
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Category:Psychology Wikipedians
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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --
Kbdank71
17:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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Category:Psychology Wikipedians into
Category:Wikipedian psychologists
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The result of the debate was rename/merge to
Category:Wikipedians with Ph.D. degrees --
Kbdank71
17:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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I'm not sure which way to go on degrees. We have a couple options:
- Wikipedians with Ph.D. degrees
- Wikipedians with Doctor of Philosophy degrees
- Wikipedians with Doctorates of Philosophy
- Wikipedian Doctors of Philosophy (don't much like that one)
And maybe others. Anybody have any opinions on which way to go here? I'll withdraw and relist when I get some advice.--
Mike Selinker
20:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I think I prefer the first option, since it could standardize nicely to
Category:Wikipedians with Foo degrees. Perhaps there could be subcats for Bachelors and Masters? --
ProveIt
(talk)
23:35, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Not necessarily a subcat. For instance I have a Ph.D. but no Bachelors or Masters degree. Most graduate students at
CalTech do not get a Masters degree unless they need it for a summer job pay increment or are about to fail out of the Ph.D. program. —
Arthur Rubin |
(talk)
00:55, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I also prefer
Category:Wikipedians with Ph.D. degrees. I know that abbreviations in category names are usually frowned upon, but this is a situation where the abbreviation is much more recognizable than the term itself that I think it's okay. If we still want to avoid abbreviations,
Category:Wikipedians with Doctor of Philosophy degrees would be my second choice. --
Cswrye
02:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I prefer the first option also, but I would like to add that it's primarily populated by {{
user degree}} using a parameter "PhD", so it might be difficult to substitute.
Cateogry:Wikipedians with PhD degrees (without the periods) might be easier to implement. (This would involve moving all the Category:User degree/* categories.) —
Arthur Rubin |
(talk)
16:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I prefer
Category:Wikipedians with PhD degrees as well, and the lack of periods would seem to be fine, as long as the case is correct (PhD, vs PHD) compare to RPh (Registered Pharmacist). -
jc37
21:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete --
Doc
14:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete, it could be divisive and it isn't ultimately helpful.
Hiding
Talk
19:43, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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- How do you feel that it would be divisive? -
jc37
14:28, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I wouldn't like to see issues made of educational achievement. I've seen that happen before around here. I also wouldn't want to see such achievements used to give weight to a contributors edits.
Hiding
Talk
13:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I tend to disagree. I think that people with expertise on certain topics are usually the people that we most want to work on articles, and academic credentials are a major indicator of that. I would generally consider a person with a doctorate in a certain field to be more credible than someone with a Bacheor's degree in that field and much more realiable than someone who had never studied the field at all. Of course, I haven't seen any conflicts here based on educational achievement, and maybe I would feel differently if I did. In any case, whether or not there is a category for educational degrees wouldn't affect whether or not an editor might bring it up in a conflict. --
Cswrye
15:22, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was delete --
Kbdank71
14:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
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Just completing the thought from the closed nomination below. I'm fine with either delete, rename, or a different rename to
category:Wikipedians interested in ninjas.--
Mike Selinker
20:52, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- This is part of the
Pirates versus Ninjas silliness, isn't it? Delete it as nonsense. -
EurekaLott
21:20, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm okay with a delete in this case since it was probably meant as a joke category. If it is renamed, I would prefer
Category:Wikipedians interested in ninjas because I doubt that many of the users currently in this category really are ninjas (although I could be wrong). --
Cswrye
02:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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- If renamed, rename to
Category:Wikipedians interested in ninjas. --
musicpvm
16:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Rename
category:Wikipedians interested in ninjutsu (See
Ninja for spelling). (Let's drop the ninja vs pirate thing, as probably divisive). -
jc37
21:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete --
Doc
14:46, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete, isn't useful knowledge.
Hiding
Talk
19:44, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was no consensus --
Kbdank71
17:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
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rename:
and delete:
I’ve nominated these as such because I’m pushing for the limitation of the
Babel template to ONLY languages (computer or spoken). Babel makes sense for languages, because Wikipedia is a site that requires translation and coding; its purpose was to link people who had different skills in languages so that the creation of an international and well-coded Wikipedia could proceed. But it makes less sense for movie preferences, games, piloting, and (ulp) musical instruments. If these pass, I’ll propose changing all
category:User instruments categories to normal Wikipedian categories. But only if. (Note: All user boxes will be preserved, but it may change where they point to.)--
Mike Selinker
04:22, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - Ok, you just confused the heck out of me. I think I can isolate it to this sentence:
- "I’m pushing for the limitation of the
Babel template to ONLY languages"
- What do you mean by "babel template"? -
jc37
04:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Babel (see
Wikipedia:Babel) is a system for rating users by a specific level of proficiency in something. It was created for languages because Wikipedia needs translation, and users could go to each other for help. Here and there, though, it crept into other user categories, in my opinion in an inappropriate manner.--
Mike Selinker
06:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Ok, I think I understand now. It's was the numeric structure of babel box organization that you were talking about. -
jc37
- I would also support deleting those, and for that matter all preference-based "do not like" categories (as opposed to political or lifestyle choices like vegetarianism or pro-life positions). I fixed the typo.--
Mike Selinker
06:02, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I've been trying to think of an example where the "not" categories are useful, but other than disclosing a bias, I can't think of any. And personally, I think it's possible for someone to dislike something, and still have an NPOV about it. So starting to agree with deletion of the Wikipedian "not" categories (except languages/programming languages). Since it's just the three of us so far, and we're in agreement, perhaps change the nom? -
jc37
06:40, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- OK, we'll try it (renominated above), but if we get any objections, I'll probably change it back, and then I might nominate all of them after all the renaming is done.--
Mike Selinker
06:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- These are the ones that I could find that might fit the description:
category:Wikipedians who dislike George W. Bush,
category:Wikipedians who dislike piercings,
category:Wikipedians who dislike tattoos,
category:Wikipedians who do not care what their astrological sign is,
category:Wikipedians who do not drink soda,
category:Wikipedians who do not eat cheese,
category:Wikipedians who do not eat high fructose corn syrup,
category:Wikipedians who do not like Slayer,
category:Wikipedians who do not like iPods,
category:Wikipedians who don't believe in IQ,
category:Wikipedians who hate Internet Explorer,
category:Wikipedians who hate hip hop,
category:Wikipedians who do not use Mozilla Firefox,
category:Wikipedians who do not use Internet Explorer,
category:Wikipedians that dislike Wikipedia:German userbox solution,
category:Wikipedians that dislike history,
category:Wikipedians that don't believe in Santa. The Bush, IQ, userbox, and Santa ones seem more legit to me for some reason.--
Mike Selinker
08:01, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Oppose I don't like the new naming shceme. I think the
Babel structure used here and elsewhere is fine.
Dread Lord CyberSkull
✎☠
01:48, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
reply
- Note: This debate has been added to the
list of CVG deletions.
PresN
05:56, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Oppose I agree with CyberSkull.
Havok
(T/
C/
c)
06:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Rename all -
TexasAndroid
14:35, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete all "zero" level Wikipedian categories. (Also known as the "not" categories - "Wikipedians who do/are not...") If you add together all who do something, plus all those who do not do that something, you get a list of all Wikipedians : ) If no concensus to delete, Rename per nom. However, for technical professions, just as computer operation, pilot, etc. retain the babel system. In short:
- I see the not/dislike categories aren't tagged (officially nominated) yet, but I agree with
jc37's raionale for deletion on those. As for your current renaming noms, Mike, support - rename all. --
kingboyk
14:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete --
Doc
14:47, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete
Hiding
Talk
20:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment Well it's been 2 weeks. there are a couple Rename alls, a couple opposes, a couple deletes, and a couple in support of a reworking of the nomination. I suggest that this be closed as "no concensus", and reworked/relisted. -
jc37
21:06, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --
Kbdank71
13:55, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
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Preparing to tackle the language and musical instrument categories, I cleaned out about 100 empty categories beginning with User or Users that replicated new Wikipedian ones, but these remained. The ones at the top I’m pretty confident about (though obviously if the food and drink categories go away, the drink ones here will too), but as it goes along I had to make up a few new names. Suggest alternatives.--
Mike Selinker
21:04, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment The Boondocks is also a cartoon now. So perhaps "like" is better than "read" in this case. -
jc37
21:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Rename per nom (Boondocks excepted temporarily) -
jc37
21:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Rename all EXCEPT The Boondocks. It's a cartoon also(and a pretty popular one based on the ratings).
TJ Spyke
00:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment Great job as usual Mike. What will you do with all the free time you'll have once you're finished with all the Wikipedian categories? (And don't tell me you're going to disneyland : ) -
jc37
01:22, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Rename all, except I do have a couple of suggestions. Based on the userboxes, it looks like they should be spelled "St George's Day" instead of "St Georges Day" and "Mother's Day" instead of "Mothering Sunday". --
Cswrye
05:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete starsigns, drinks categories, St Georges Day, Mothering Sunday, split infinitives. Rename others. --
kingboyk
09:00, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment "admins who undelete" is just plain silly, all admins can (and at times, do) that. I don't like "Users who encourage civility" either; someone who states "I encourage civility" sounds sanctimonious rather than civilized.
>Radiant<
21:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I would welcome another suggestion for
category:User undeletion. I don't really understand what's being offered in that category.--
Mike Selinker
- I remember the controversy that spawned
Category:User undeletion. But
Category:Wikipedia administrators who will provide copies of deleted articles is not the answer, because it would be either highly misleading or redundant. As
Radiant! says, most administrators, if asked, will undelete material (if proper reasons are given that relate to work on encyclopaedia articles, or to access by non-administrators during discussion or dispute resolution), as long as we are sure that doing so will not make available content that violates the basic copyright, privacy, libel, and other policies that are part of the very raison d'être of the deletion tools that we are entrusted with as administrators in the first place. I have.
Uncle G
12:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Update. I added some more fugitives.--
Mike Selinker
03:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
reply
- Delete all. Not needed. --
Kbdank71
10:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete --
Doc
14:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete alll. We're here to create an encyclopedia, not swap life details through the categorisation system. What I need to know about you I should find on your user page.
Hiding
Talk
19:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Delete all
Tim!
18:41, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Please note
wikipedia:deletion review pending.
Tim!
08:38, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
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Commercial
Addition:
Not included, may need to be moved if the others are deleted, or nominated for deletion seperately:
Strong Delete all. Quite simply, these categories are unencyclopedic, trivial and useless.
The longer rationale: Whilst I have no strong objection to people placing userboxes on their pages about these things (although I prefer the GUS), categorising users by whether or not they like strawberries or drink coffee adds nothing to the encyclopedia and makes us look amateurish. This is not MySpace folks, it's an enyclopedia.
In general, we don't categorise user pages. There are exceptions to this, such as WikiProject memberships, hobbies and recreational interests which might genuinely aid with bonding or the formation of WikiProjects, whether a user is an admin or not, and so on. Categorising a user based on whether they like their steak rare or burnt just isn't one of those exceptions.
This nomination covers the entire
Category:Wikipedians by diet, with the exception of the vegetarian and cooking categories which I feel are not at the same level - cooking is a hobby/occupation, vegetanariasm is a serious lifestyle choice unlike Pepsi v Coke or McD vs Burger King. --
kingboyk
12:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete as per nom., but treat the Helal and Kosher ones in the same way as the Vegetarian ones.
Fut.Perf.
☼
13:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Weak keep, Silly, but "mostly harmless"; people are using them. --
ProveIt
(talk)
13:38, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Keep. I don't consider these less important than one's political beliefs, musical preferences, or video game habits. It seems harmless and rather likable to me.--
Mike Selinker
13:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete the categories that are not excluded - I'm usually a big supporter of user categories, but I agree with
kingboyk's reasoning on this. An editor's food preferences are not going to help with writing any articles. I do think it is good to keep the ones that were excluded since they refer to more general lifestyle choices that reflect knowledge about a variety of topics, and they don't tend to lend themselves to overcategorization like the individual food categories. However, I strongly agree with keeping
Category:Wikipedians who keep Halal and
Category:Wikipedians who keep kosher since those are also major lifestyle choices that can affect more articles than individual foods. I'm okay with keeping
Category:Wikipedians by diet as the main category for the few categories that we are keeping (unless someone has a better suggestion for where to put them), but all of the individual food categories can go. You can see more of my reasoning behind this at
Wikipedia:Guidelines for user categories. --
Cswrye
14:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Keep
Sugarpine
15:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Strong delete The category namespace is for articles, not user trivia.
Martin
16:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Keep
qwm
17:41, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment - While my first inclination is to "Keep" all, since these are similar to other interests/preferences that help wikipedians know preference/interest/bias which I feel can generally be helpful in developing the encyclopedia, I don't think mundane food preference in this case is notable enough. Whether I eat apples or not isn't likely to make as much difference in editing the article on
apples. (And I would not oppose the deletion of the associated userboxes, for the same reasons.) In short:
- Keep the dietary specific ones.
- Keep the commercial ones (Pepsi, McDonald's, etc)
- Keep all the beverage and candy ones - they are useful and helpful, since they are more about a consistant preference, typically exclusive to other choices.
- Delete the rest
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jc37 18:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC) - (udate by
jc37
21:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC))
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- Delete, This is a vanity category and serves no encyclopedic purpose.
OscarTheCat
21:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom.
Rama's arrow
21:34, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- At least move the maintenance of Wikipedian categories etc away from the maintenance of encyclopedic matter. Regards,
David Kernow
01:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete all (except the excluded ones). They're pretty harmless, but these characteristics are just too trivial to deserve categories. And there is no limit to the number. Users will continue to create them for every food that exists on this planet. They serve absolutely no use. --
musicpvm
02:48, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete, useless.
Punkmorten
09:47, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- By the way, if this nomination passes and some of the big ones are kept (vegetarian, halal, kosher), I would recommend
category:Wikipedians by diet become
category:Wikipedians by dietary philosophy, and then anything that makes sense as a lifestyle choice would make sense under that. If the coffee drinkers want to start a movement called "coffeeterians" or something, great. But otherwise, if it's not a philosophy, it wouldn't go in there.--
Mike Selinker
14:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Keep All They add personality to editors, it's easier to talk to users/admins/etc then under less ridged conditions for some users. Adds comfort level.
Hackajar
15:13, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment, if all these are not deleted, the first two "do not eat" categories should at least be deleted. It is ridiculously trivial for users to categorize themselves by what they do NOT eat. --
musicpvm
16:45, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Keep All, and for what it's worth the nomination's categorization as important or unimportant is completely random and meaningless. To me, vegetarianism or keeping halal is trivial compared to, say, beer -- and there's
quite a large Wikiproject associated with beer, so it should still fit into the relevant exceptions or whatever and stay. Silly nom, but anyway: keep all. --
Daniel11
17:32, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Erm, no. If there's already a WikiProject Beer then the category you're looking for is Category:WikiProject Beer participants. That's helpful to the Wikipedia infrastructure. The categories I've nominated are not and the only silly thing round here is these categories, thank you very much. --
kingboyk
17:43, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I disagree. Clearly people with a common interest like homebrewing or beer consumption, which are pursued as seriously as homosexuality or any of the other things that are "legitimate," are conducive to users communicating and working together on Wikipedia topics -- in addition to the Beer Project, which is also useful as a concrete piece of infrastructure for organizing Wikipedia editing, but is not the only useful kind of infrastructure. IMHO. --
Daniel11
18:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Or, for instance,
Category:Wikipedians who listen to The KLF ;) --
Daniel11
18:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Lol, good shot! Affinity to a band is rather more lifechanging than liking strawberries though isn't it?! :) Let me just state now, though, in case these categories do get deleted - my beverages of choice are
coffee and
real ale (but not at the same time). --
kingboyk
22:02, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Well, at least you've got good taste in beverages. ;) I agree with your example, but I think to make a general rule of it won't work as it depends so strongly on particular cases. E.g., the
Beatles probably had a deeper effect on many people than strawberries, but
beer seems a lot more meaningful than the
Cheeky Girls. Not that there's anything wrong with strawberries or Cheeky Girls. Anyway, got to run, but I think at least some of those categories above are useful, at the very least the beer one! --
Daniel11
22:39, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Wow. Thank you, Daniel11, for introducing me to the Cheeky Girls in your comment above. I have now acquired a copy of "The Cheeky Song (Touch My Bum)", and am listening to it, while consuming a beer. I'm not sure which is more meaningful. "Worst pop record of all time," huh? Wow. -
GTBacchus(
talk)
22:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- You should get the video. If you like
that kind of thing, which I do :) They're not misnamed, put it that way. --
kingboyk
23:03, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Ok, I saw it, and... it was kind of good, but it kind of sapped my will to live, much more than the song alone did. I think I'll say delete per nom. I'm in favor of letting Somnabot keep his "This user drinks beer" userbox, but there really isn't any need for these categories, and when we have to expend bot resources for managing these user categories (see
WP:AN#User Categories), it's time to cut out a bunch of chaff. This user doesn't eat
chaff. Maybe cheeky chaff... -
GTBacchus(
talk)
23:26, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- I'm beginning to think that this will have a better chance of passing, if relisted with the the beverages, and commercial brands withdrawn (though they could be nominated later I presume). What do you think? -
jc37
22:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- In theory I have no objections, but I'm not really persuaded by the argument in favour of keeping the commercial categories. If anything I think they serve as an advertisement and are more deserving of deletion than the others. If you want to split the listing - or renominate - I don't mind, but I can't speak for the other participants of course :) --
kingboyk
10:18, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Well, We're already hearing from beer... The idea is that inclusion in the category will show interest / bias. And as such, such categories are helpful to the editing community. Beer is an extension of that commercial preference (you don't think cola drinkers feel the same?). I'm starting to waver on the restaurant chain ones, however. Other than McD's and BK, there doesn't seem to be direct competition. I am guessing that most of us eat at whatever ones are nearby/convenient, just at different times. Compare to the cola drinker who won't drink anything but Pepsi, or the person who must have their Coke in the morning. The same goes for chocolate candy eaters - M&Ms, hershey bars, and so on. (Modifying my vote above. -
jc37
21:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC))
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- Strong Keep -- Although there is possibly limited potential for these categories, I feel that they at least create a better sense of community. Plus, I love my "This user drinks beer" Userbox. If developed properly the majority of the above categories could very well be instrumental or otherwise useful.
Somnabot
18:33, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete - as if Users couldn't just list this kind of thing themselves; I don't think there's a need for a centralized list so I can browse people who drink root beer.
Lambertman
12:33, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete all per nom.
Angus McLellan
(Talk)
20:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete. We are building an encyclopedia, not swapping snippets of our lives with each other.
Hiding
Talk
22:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
reply
- Delete - Candidates for
WP:BJAODN. --
Rick Block (
talk)
23:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete all, except halal and kosher categories, per above. --
bainer (
talk)
00:25, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete all except those which are directly associated with a Wikiproject. --
tjstrf
02:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete all per nom. Keep your "I eat apples" userboxes if you really need to tell the world that, but a category grouping all apple eaters (or swedish fish eaters, or RC cola drinkers, etc, etc) are not needed. --
Kbdank71
10:52, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete all per nom.
the wub
"?!"
11:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete --
Doc
14:45, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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Umbrella: Homosexual Wikipedians
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The result of the debate was Oppose/Keep. per
WP:SNOW and I Know when to step down.
D
e
mos
D
e
mon
22:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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Merge the listed categories into
Category:Homosexual Wikipedians per Political Correctness and
gender neutrality.
D
e
mos
D
e
mon
01:22, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Oppose, They are well named, and self-selected. As such, Political Correctness should not be an issue. --
ProveIt
(talk)
02:45, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment, I have striked the political correctness from my original statement, but I would like to emphasise gender neutrality. Lesbian and Gay would be describing it as Female and Male homosexuals.
D
e
mos
D
e
mon
03:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment, the problem may be that there is a cultural misunderstanding here. They actually don't mean the same thing, nor are they merely male and female variations of behaviors. They represent a political/philosophical viewpoints. It would be like trying to simplify things by changing all Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives and Greens to "Member's of American Political Parties".
CyntWorkStuff
16:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Added Note:
Category:Heterosexual Wikipedians,
Category:Bisexual Wikipedians, and
Category:Asexual Wikipedians allready exist, merging the proposed categories would help match a precedent. Also, there is not a need for three categories that mean the same thing.
D
e
mos
D
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mon
07:55, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Oppose offensive.
Tim!
08:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Oppose. No way. Let people be whatever they want to be.--
Mike Selinker
09:03, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Oppose. Unduly restrictive. There are many more possible constructions of sexuality, and, as per
User:Mike Selinker, we should let people define themselves. Possibly we will see other categories spring up, such as
Category:Wikipedians 5 on the Kinsey scale or who knows what.
Haiduc
11:11, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Oppose. I think you have good intentions, but these identities are all essentially different. (Which is not the case for the example at
gender neutrality). At the very least, please remember that 'Queer' does NOT just mean 'homosexual', but a wide variety of things.
CaveatLector
Talk
15:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Oppose. Sure no harm was meant but agree that people should define themselves. Besides where were you proposing to put Bisexual Wikipedians (small joke people do not become overly alarmed).
CyntWorkStuff
15:57, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Oppose for multiple reasons. While the overlap of some of these names may be bit awkward to an outsider, that's why we have
Category:LGBT Wikipedians. I also don't like the idea of messing with people's self-identification, since they are subtly (and not-so-subtly) distinct. And, as stated above, even putting that aside, certainly I oppose this rather POV name. (Though, as always, assuming good faith.) --
John Kenneth Fisher
17:16, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Oppose for reasons already stated. I think this has come up in a previous CfD. We should make it easier for people to check past discussions. Talk pages of failed nominations should be linked to the discussion and categorized. That way people can read old comments before deciding to post a category again. --
Samuel Wantman
19:13, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Delete. ——
Eagle (
ask me for help)
21:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete, userbox category for wikipedians who somehow find themselves without a
koi pond. --
ProveIt
(talk)
22:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
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Wikipedians by alma mater
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The result of the debate was no consensus
Tim!
18:09, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater:University of Melbourne to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Melbourne
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater:Oxford Falls Grammar School to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Oxford Falls Grammar School
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category:RMIT students to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater:University of Sydney to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Sydney
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater:University of Technology, Sydney to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Technology, Sydney
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater:University of Western Australia to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Western Australia
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Queen's to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Queen's University at Kingston
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category:Wikipedian Undergraduates of University of Ottawa to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Ottawa
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category:Wikipedians at McGill to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: McGill University
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater: SAIT to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Southern Alberta Institute of Technology
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater:Catholic education to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Catholic schools
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category:Capuchin alumni to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Franciscan Capuchin schools
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category:Christian Brother (Irish) alumni to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Congregation of Christian Brothers schools
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category:Christian Brother alumni to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Christian Brother schools
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category:Jesuit alumni to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Jesuit schools
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category:Marist Brother alumni to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Marist Brother schools
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category:Salesian alumni to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Salesian schools
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater: EMBL to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: European Molecular Biology Laboratory, Heidelberg
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category:Alumni of Somaiya Vidhyavihar, University of Mumbai to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Somaiya Vidhyavihar, University of Mumbai
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Queen's University to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Queen's University, Belfast
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category:Wikipedians attending Archbishop Temple School to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Archbishop Temple School
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category:Wikipedians of Tokyo Institute of Technology to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Tokyo Institute of Technology
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater: ITESM to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Monterrey Institute of Technology and Higher Education
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category:Wikipedians of Korea University to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Korea University
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater: EPFL to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Swiss Federal Institute of Technology
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category:Bogazici Alumni to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Boğaziçi University
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category:Wikipedians who are Caians to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge
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category:Wikipedians who study at Manchester Metropolitan University to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Manchester Metropolitan University
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category:United World College Wikipedians to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: United World College
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category:Charter School of Wilmington Students & Alumni to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Charter School of Wilmington
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of California at Santa Barbara to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of California, Santa Barbara
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater:College of Saint Benedict/Saint John's University to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: College of Saint Benedict/Saint John's University
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Columbus State University, Columbus, Georgia to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Columbus State University
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater:Emory University to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Emory University
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater:Hampshire College to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Hampshire College
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Harvard to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Harvard University
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category:User uhm to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Hawaii at Manoa
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater:Loyola University Chicago to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Loyola University Chicago
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category:Users who attend, or attended, Michigan Tech to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Michigan Technological University
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Missouri - Columbia to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Missouri–Columbia
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater:City University of New York to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: City University of New York
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater:University of North Dakota to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of North Dakota
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater:University of Oklahoma to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Oklahoma
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater:Oklahoma State University to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Oklahoma State University
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category:Wikipedians of Pfeiffer University to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Pfeiffer University
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Salk to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Salk Institute
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater:Tulane University to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Tulane University
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Washington University to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Washington University in St. Louis
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Washington University in St. Louis: Graduate School of Arts and Sciences to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Washington University in St. Louis
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Wisconsin to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: University of Wisconsin-Madison
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category:Wikipedians by high school to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater (sort by country)
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category:Bellaire High School Students & Alumni to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Bellaire High School
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category:Hamden Hall Students to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Hamden Hall
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category:Jesuit College Preparatory School of Dallas Students to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Jesuit College Preparatory School of Dallas
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category:Richard Gahr High School Students to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Richard Gahr High School
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category:Users who are Old Cheltonians to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Cheltenham College
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category:Users who attend LFHS to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Lake Forest High School
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category:Wikipedian Whitgiftians to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Whitgift School
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category:Wikipedians by alma mater:Brisbane Boys' College to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Brisbane Boys' College
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category:Wikipedians by high school: Ben Davis High School to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Ben Davis High School
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category:Wikipedians by high school: St. John’s School to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: St. John’s School
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category:Wikipedians from Garneau to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Garneau Catholic High School
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category:Wikipedians:Live Oak High School, Morgan Hill, California to
category:Wikipedians by alma mater: Live Oak High School
A lot of simple fixes here to a simple template. “Alma mater” is used consistently in these categories to mean “current or former student,” and makes no claim about what kind of school it is. So
category:Wikipedians by high school makes no sense because many things we call high schools are in
category:Wikipedians by alma mater.--
Mike Selinker
00:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Quite honestly, I would prefer "Wikipedians from (school)" to include current and former students, but I don't want to nominate hundreds of categories for change based on that. If someone else does, we can talk about it.--
Mike Selinker
21:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Well, I think the name(s) should have "attended" or "graduated" in it/them (I don't think "from" is correct semantically). And we might as well do it now, rather than have to do this twice... I think one way in which we can expedite the process with be to edit the involved user boxes. If you would like to propose them all for the rename, I'll volunteer to make the UBX changes (presuming we can find them all - WP:GUS is making finding UBXs much more difficult). -
jc37
22:06, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Understood. I'm just interested in accuracy, and since there is a "question" about the applicability of the phrase "alma mater". I think we should go with the more common usage (which would be: "graduated", or at least "attended". -
jc37
21:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Rename and Delete per nomination (some cats are getting deleted, some renamed)——
Eagle (
ask me for help)
23:58, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
rename:
reply
and delete:
Trying to match the occupational categories. The latter two have to go because of
WP:CHILD.--
Mike Selinker
00:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Support last two, not sure about others - I don't know about other countries, but in Canada "college" refers specifically to "trade schools" (diploma programs) while "university" refers to "academic" schools (bachelor/master/PhD programs). They're not interchangeable. "Wikipedian university students" should be left alone. Likewise, Canada doesn't use the terms "freshmen" (much), "sophomore", "junior" and "senior" to refer to high school years. -
HKMarks
01:10, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Sorry, I didn't know that about "university". I've withdrawn that one. Not sure what to do about "freshmen" and "sophomores". I guess we could propose dumping all the high school students in the same category.--
Mike Selinker
01:11, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Comment I don't really have a problem with those. "First/second/third/fourth year high school students" would work, but really it depends on international usage. We actually use "Grade 9-12" here, so I don't know what the most common terms are. -
HKMarks
01:22, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Well, if there's not an equivalent, I guess we go with freshmen and sophomore until someone decides they really need "grade 9 students".--
Mike Selinker
01:39, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
reply
*Rename
category:Wikipedians in college to
category:Wikipedian college students. Keep
Category:Wikipedian university students. Delete the rest as potentially age related categories, and because not every country has the US educational breakdown. -
jc37
17:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was Already closed on standard CFD
Tim!
08:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC) (Already closed on standard CFD)
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- Merge into
Category:Wikipedians who use Windows. --
ProveIt
(talk)
21:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was rename
Tim!
08:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Rename to
Category:Wikipedian caffeine users, it is a another userbox category. --
ProveIt
(talk)
14:16, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
reply
Category:Caffeine Users to
Category:Wikipedian caffeine users
- Rename, If that's policy, the creator of the page is unopposed. I didn't realize there was a policy. In all honesty I'm surprised it's as popular as it is!
Bladeswin |
Talk to me |
20:30, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Rename to
category:Wikipedians who use caffeine, and move to
category:Drug-using Wikipedians.--
Mike Selinker
01:40, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
reply
- Rename to
Category:Wikipedians who use caffeine per
Mike Selinker. I'm undecided as to whether or not it should be recategorized. To be honest, this is a case where I would not object to a delete. --
Cswrye
19:56, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
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- Delete (if no concensus to delete, then Rename). If kept, then colas, coffees, and several teas should be sub-categories. -
jc37
21:34, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
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