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Nominator's rationale: This category is not helpful navigation. It contains the epon article and one book. As described on the category page, this does not seem like a defining feature... "Block books or blockbooks, also called xylographica, are short books of up to 50 leaves, block printed in Europe in the second half of the 15th century as woodcuts with blocks carved to include both text (usually) and illustrations."
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Category:Deaths from food poisoning
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Oppose per Fayenatic. Split in intentional and unintentional deaths (discuss catnames).
Food poisoning or
foodborne illness is something which happens by accident, due to carelessness or lack of knowledge or diligence in preparing food before consuming it. I've never seen intentional killings described as "food poisoning", even if the method used was to poison someone's food (food or drink is by far the most common means of getting lethal poison into someone's body while covering the perpetrator's traces). It might be better to Rename to
Category:Deaths from foodborne illnesses to align with the main article
foodborne illness, and because the present continuous poisoning is ambiguous, as it can be both understood as passive (unintentional) and active (deliberate). It should then also be Re-parented to
Category:Deaths from disease. However, for those deaths caused by intentionally poisoned foods or drinks, it might be better to create a separate category. Given sibling
Category:Victims of intentional poisonings, I believe we need to have the word "intentional" in the catname, for clear distinction from foodborne illnesses. Something like
Category:Deaths by intentional food poisonings? However we formulate it, I would recommend a
Template:Category see also in the catdescs of both cats after the split to help readers and editors find what they are looking for.
NLeeuw (
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14:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Rename and redirect to
Category:Deaths from foodborne illnesses. I don't object strongly to the singular "from
foodborne illness", but that lead article refers multiple times to "illnesses" and there is a parent
Category:Foodborne illnesses. Replace subcat relationship with two-way "see also" links to
Category:Deaths by poisoning, which is where deliberate cases belong. Split to that category rather than a new one, as I'm not convinced that the use of food as the vector is
WP:DEFINING to a poisoning. The sweets poisoning cases belong there, even
1858 Bradford sweets poisoning in which food was accidentally contaminated with a poison. IMHO, deaths by foodborne illnesses should be restricted to infections (bacteria, viruses, prions) rather than toxins. –
FayenaticLondon11:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Category:American people of Arab descent
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Oppose I would like to register my shock and disbelief that Arab American and Arab diaspora categories are slowly and systematically being deleted across Wikipedia, often with little input (from anyone, let alone Arabs). It is a massive erasure of Arabs and Arab Americans. I do regard it as unjust, rash, and enormously racist. These are major changes and there needs to be major discussion.
Bohemian Baltimore (
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10:44, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
It has nothing to do with racism. Arab descent is difficult to verify because they are the majority ethnicity of the Middle East and North Africa. Sources are more explicit about minorities. Likewise we do not categorize people by European-American descent.
Marcocapelle (
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11:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Marcocapelle "Arab descent is difficult to verify". Really? Is it difficult to verify that "
a proud and unapologetic Arab American woman" such as
Rashida Tlaib is Arab? Is it a mystery whether
John Sununu ("I'm proud of my heritage as an Arab American") was an Arab? Is it a secret that
Casey Kasem was
proudly Arab? Arab Americans are a minority in the US; being an Arab American is not at all the same as being a European-American. "Arab American" is a real minority identity in the US, and not all Arab Americans identify with
Orientalist terminology like "Middle Eastern". Unlike other minorities like Native Americans or Jewish Americans or African Americans, who do have categories, all the Arab categories are being deleted lest a few people from the Arab world be from non-Arab backgrounds. The categories weren't even sorted, so someone like Rashida Tlaib wasn't placed into the category for
Category:American politicians of Arab descent. The category was simply deleted.
Bohemian Baltimore (
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11:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The proper analogy is between people of Arab descent in the United States and people of European-American descent in Australia. We are talking about people who descend from ancestors who were in the majority in another part of the world. Another example is people of Han Chinese descent in Germany, which we do not do either. In most cases we just have the ancestor's nationality anyway, Egyptian or Lebanese or whatever.
Marcocapelle (
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12:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
There's a vast body of literature and research about "Arab Americans". There are numerous organizations, events,
celebrations, and so forth that are explicitly Arab-American. Multiple state Democratic parties have an Arab caucus. There's no such parallel with "Han Americans". That comparison makes no sense.
Bohemian Baltimore (
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12:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
That just proves that there is sufficient content for the topic Arab American. It does not prove that someone of Lebanese descent is automatically also of Arab descent.
Marcocapelle (
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10:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete all per nom. "Middle Eastern" is more appropriate and inclusive than "Arab" and still includes Arab nationalities as well which are NOT being erased at all. The article "
Arab Americans" also notes that people who are seen as "Arab Americans" may actually not be ethnically Arab but rather from Arab countries and of non-Arab ethnicity.
Omnis Scientia (
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11:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Omnis Scientia Not all Arab Americans are Middle Eastern, nor do all Arab Americans from Western Asia identify with Western-centric terms like "Middle Eastern". Arab-American is a legitimate identity and culture in the US. Nor does this argument explain why, say, individual Arab American politicians couldn't be placed into the category for
American politicians of Arab descent, which was simply purged and deleted.
Bohemian Baltimore (
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11:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Bohemian Baltimore, do you not think the "
Arab world" is also a Western-centric phrase as well? Because "people of Arab descent" in these categories weren't necessarily ethnically Arab, they were from Arab countries. I think they would describe themselves as being from whichever country they came from. You gave the example of
Rashida Tlaib. She calls herself "Palestinian American". Same is the case with
Ilhan Omar who is "Somalian American".
Omnis Scientia (
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12:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Omnis Scientia I can quite confidently assert that the
Arab League is an Arab invention, not a Western invention. To be more specific than "Western-centric", the term is certainly Orientalist; east of what? As I previously asked, why were the categories deleted rather than individual verifiable Arabs placed into the categories? We don't delete all the Hispanic/Latino categories in the US because, well, maybe not everyone of Latin American origins self-identifies as Hispanic or Latino (maybe that person from Mexico identifies as an Aztec or a Russian Mennonite), and besides, Hispanics are the majority in Latin America anyway, so Hispanics aren't really a minority group in the US. Only Arabs seem to earn this sort of pedantry. I don't see anyone nominating
Category:Hispanic and Latino American politicians for deletion lest we possibly offend
Plautdietsch or
Kʼicheʼ sensibilities. Arab American identity exists and is socially and politically relevant in the US, regardless of how others may feel.
Bohemian Baltimore (
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12:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Bohemian Baltimore, we aren't deleting that because "Hispanic and Latino" is a container for Latin and Hispanic American countries like "Middle Eastern" and "North African" is to Arab nations. Also why do you think Latin Americans aren't a minority in the United States? An odd thing to say.
Omnis Scientia (
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12:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
"Hispanic and Latino Americans" are a container group for people from Latin American countries just like "Middle Eastern Americans" are a container group for people from Middle Eastern countries. Stop engaging in such bad faith arguments.
Omnis Scientia (
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15:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Bohemian Baltimore, I did and I still am - I understand where you're coming from as well. I just feel your "Let's delete Latino categories" argument is not in good faith. Its not the point of what we're discussing here.
Omnis Scientia (
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09:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Not to mention they are two different groups of people with two different types of history so your example amounts to false equivalence.
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It is, but she was born in Uzbekistan of Tajik descent, so this category is also appropriate, since she is indeed a British person of Tajik descent. --
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12:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge/delete. Being "Clearly part of a detailed and comprehensive category tree". is not a sufficiently good reason to keep a category. It rewards categories that are old, rather than categories that are useful.
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Category:Canadian people of Tajik descent
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Merge/delete. Being "Clearly part of a detailed and comprehensive category tree". is not a sufficiently good reason to keep a category. It rewards categories that are old, rather than categories that are useful.
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Category:People of West Asian descent
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Nominator's rationale: This category tree is not needed. Western Asia is often conflated with the Middle East. Western Asia includes the South Caucasus but does not include Egypt (outside the Sinai Peninsula) and Turkish Thrace (geographically in Southeast Europe). Now "West Asian descent" categories merely serve as containers for "Middle East descent" and "Caucasus descent." However, these classifications are not entirely accurate. The term "People of Middle East descent" includes individuals from the African part of Egypt and Turkish Thrace in Europe, while "People of Caucasus descent" encompasses individuals from the North Caucasus in Europe.
Aldij (
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09:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge to Asian parent categories. I agree that West Asia and Middle East are largely overlapping and we do not need both. However, it does not make sense to remove the content from the Asian tree.
Marcocapelle (
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14:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment First,
Category:Canadian people of West Asian descent has been emptied. Secondly, if we have categories for South Asia and Southeast Asia, wouldn't it make more sense to keep West Asia and dump the "Middle East" categories instead? They both are a little imprecise but what would make more sense fitting in with the existing geographic categorization? LizRead!Talk!19:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I believe it would be better to merge the category trees of South Asia and Southeast Asia into Asia as well. I will nominate them separately now. Regarding the decision to discard the "Middle East" categories, I'm not certain there is consensus for this, nor am I sure whether I will personally support it. However, perhaps they need to be deleted as well.
Aldij (
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15:59, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
There are plenty of locations that could be considered to be in West Asia that are no where near the Middle East, that are on the Europe-Asia border. LizRead!Talk!20:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Creply
@
Liz in principle, I am not opposed to your suggestion of merging the categories of Middle Eastern people into the categories for West Asian people. However, this clearly requires a separate discussion, as the
category:Middle Eastern people contains many different subcategories. I fear that the term "Middle East" is more commonly used than "West Asia." In any case, the main point of my proposal, and the most important one, is the unification of the two trees. The specific name chosen is not so important.
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IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
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Oppose. The naming is unnecessarily redundant. The proposal is equivalent to "1999 International Ice Hockey Federation Ice Hockey Women's World Championships". What logical reason is there to say ice hockey twice? Seems like the parent category should be discussed, not the children.
Flibirigit (
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11:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The IIHF uses "IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championship" on all official documentation. I suspect the inclusion of 'Ice Hockey' has its roots in the period during which the IIHF also organized the
IIHF Inline Hockey World Championship. While I don’t disagree that the name may read as redundant, I do see value in maintaining the official name and feel the inclusion of 'Ice Hockey' is a helpful indicator for readers who may not be familiar with the IIHF acronym.
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19:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I've tagged all of the categories and notified the creators. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Qwerfjkltalk17:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Category:Arab diaspora in the Middle East
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Nominator's rationale: Not all individuals from countries such as Egypt, Iraq, Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon self-identify as Arabs. Therefore, this categorization may be misleading and fail to accurately reflect the diverse ethnic and national identities of people from these regions. Additionally, the term "diaspora" refers to a community of people who live outside their place of origin or ancestry. However, since Arabs are indigenous to the Middle East, the use of "diaspora" in this context can be confusing and inaccurate.
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Category:Mexican people of Arab descent
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Category:Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar)
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Category:Fiddlers from Sweden
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Nominator's rationale: I think these categories should be merged because frankly it's confusing to have two swedish categories
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Rename of Alien invasions in media et al.
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Nominator's rationale: Rename per several past renames, in order to make it clear that these categories are for media that are about alien invasions and such, not where such things make potentially trivial appearances.
DonIago (
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02:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support. Surely we dont want [Category:Alien visitations in fiction] be populated with novels where, like, "Hey Bob, Pete says he was visited by aliens. He must be drinking" -
Altenmann>talk
I don't see how this is an argument against renaming the categories? This discussion is consistent with multiple recent category renamings as noted in the rationale. A few of them:
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4].
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Nominator's rationale: This category only contains the
Franz von Sickingen, who was a leader of the
Knights' War and the category of the conflict. I think that they should either be merged or this category should be deleted. It really doesn't help navigation.
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00:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Category:Ministerial departments of the Sierra Leone Government
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Nominator's rationale: This category is not helpful navigation. It contains the epon article and one book. As described on the category page, this does not seem like a defining feature... "Block books or blockbooks, also called xylographica, are short books of up to 50 leaves, block printed in Europe in the second half of the 15th century as woodcuts with blocks carved to include both text (usually) and illustrations."
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Category:Deaths from food poisoning
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Oppose per Fayenatic. Split in intentional and unintentional deaths (discuss catnames).
Food poisoning or
foodborne illness is something which happens by accident, due to carelessness or lack of knowledge or diligence in preparing food before consuming it. I've never seen intentional killings described as "food poisoning", even if the method used was to poison someone's food (food or drink is by far the most common means of getting lethal poison into someone's body while covering the perpetrator's traces). It might be better to Rename to
Category:Deaths from foodborne illnesses to align with the main article
foodborne illness, and because the present continuous poisoning is ambiguous, as it can be both understood as passive (unintentional) and active (deliberate). It should then also be Re-parented to
Category:Deaths from disease. However, for those deaths caused by intentionally poisoned foods or drinks, it might be better to create a separate category. Given sibling
Category:Victims of intentional poisonings, I believe we need to have the word "intentional" in the catname, for clear distinction from foodborne illnesses. Something like
Category:Deaths by intentional food poisonings? However we formulate it, I would recommend a
Template:Category see also in the catdescs of both cats after the split to help readers and editors find what they are looking for.
NLeeuw (
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14:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Rename and redirect to
Category:Deaths from foodborne illnesses. I don't object strongly to the singular "from
foodborne illness", but that lead article refers multiple times to "illnesses" and there is a parent
Category:Foodborne illnesses. Replace subcat relationship with two-way "see also" links to
Category:Deaths by poisoning, which is where deliberate cases belong. Split to that category rather than a new one, as I'm not convinced that the use of food as the vector is
WP:DEFINING to a poisoning. The sweets poisoning cases belong there, even
1858 Bradford sweets poisoning in which food was accidentally contaminated with a poison. IMHO, deaths by foodborne illnesses should be restricted to infections (bacteria, viruses, prions) rather than toxins. –
FayenaticLondon11:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Category:American people of Arab descent
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(non-admin closure)HouseBlaster (
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23:21, 31 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Oppose I would like to register my shock and disbelief that Arab American and Arab diaspora categories are slowly and systematically being deleted across Wikipedia, often with little input (from anyone, let alone Arabs). It is a massive erasure of Arabs and Arab Americans. I do regard it as unjust, rash, and enormously racist. These are major changes and there needs to be major discussion.
Bohemian Baltimore (
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10:44, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
It has nothing to do with racism. Arab descent is difficult to verify because they are the majority ethnicity of the Middle East and North Africa. Sources are more explicit about minorities. Likewise we do not categorize people by European-American descent.
Marcocapelle (
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11:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Marcocapelle "Arab descent is difficult to verify". Really? Is it difficult to verify that "
a proud and unapologetic Arab American woman" such as
Rashida Tlaib is Arab? Is it a mystery whether
John Sununu ("I'm proud of my heritage as an Arab American") was an Arab? Is it a secret that
Casey Kasem was
proudly Arab? Arab Americans are a minority in the US; being an Arab American is not at all the same as being a European-American. "Arab American" is a real minority identity in the US, and not all Arab Americans identify with
Orientalist terminology like "Middle Eastern". Unlike other minorities like Native Americans or Jewish Americans or African Americans, who do have categories, all the Arab categories are being deleted lest a few people from the Arab world be from non-Arab backgrounds. The categories weren't even sorted, so someone like Rashida Tlaib wasn't placed into the category for
Category:American politicians of Arab descent. The category was simply deleted.
Bohemian Baltimore (
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11:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
The proper analogy is between people of Arab descent in the United States and people of European-American descent in Australia. We are talking about people who descend from ancestors who were in the majority in another part of the world. Another example is people of Han Chinese descent in Germany, which we do not do either. In most cases we just have the ancestor's nationality anyway, Egyptian or Lebanese or whatever.
Marcocapelle (
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12:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
There's a vast body of literature and research about "Arab Americans". There are numerous organizations, events,
celebrations, and so forth that are explicitly Arab-American. Multiple state Democratic parties have an Arab caucus. There's no such parallel with "Han Americans". That comparison makes no sense.
Bohemian Baltimore (
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12:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
That just proves that there is sufficient content for the topic Arab American. It does not prove that someone of Lebanese descent is automatically also of Arab descent.
Marcocapelle (
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10:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Delete all per nom. "Middle Eastern" is more appropriate and inclusive than "Arab" and still includes Arab nationalities as well which are NOT being erased at all. The article "
Arab Americans" also notes that people who are seen as "Arab Americans" may actually not be ethnically Arab but rather from Arab countries and of non-Arab ethnicity.
Omnis Scientia (
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11:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Omnis Scientia Not all Arab Americans are Middle Eastern, nor do all Arab Americans from Western Asia identify with Western-centric terms like "Middle Eastern". Arab-American is a legitimate identity and culture in the US. Nor does this argument explain why, say, individual Arab American politicians couldn't be placed into the category for
American politicians of Arab descent, which was simply purged and deleted.
Bohemian Baltimore (
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11:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Bohemian Baltimore, do you not think the "
Arab world" is also a Western-centric phrase as well? Because "people of Arab descent" in these categories weren't necessarily ethnically Arab, they were from Arab countries. I think they would describe themselves as being from whichever country they came from. You gave the example of
Rashida Tlaib. She calls herself "Palestinian American". Same is the case with
Ilhan Omar who is "Somalian American".
Omnis Scientia (
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12:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Omnis Scientia I can quite confidently assert that the
Arab League is an Arab invention, not a Western invention. To be more specific than "Western-centric", the term is certainly Orientalist; east of what? As I previously asked, why were the categories deleted rather than individual verifiable Arabs placed into the categories? We don't delete all the Hispanic/Latino categories in the US because, well, maybe not everyone of Latin American origins self-identifies as Hispanic or Latino (maybe that person from Mexico identifies as an Aztec or a Russian Mennonite), and besides, Hispanics are the majority in Latin America anyway, so Hispanics aren't really a minority group in the US. Only Arabs seem to earn this sort of pedantry. I don't see anyone nominating
Category:Hispanic and Latino American politicians for deletion lest we possibly offend
Plautdietsch or
Kʼicheʼ sensibilities. Arab American identity exists and is socially and politically relevant in the US, regardless of how others may feel.
Bohemian Baltimore (
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12:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Bohemian Baltimore, we aren't deleting that because "Hispanic and Latino" is a container for Latin and Hispanic American countries like "Middle Eastern" and "North African" is to Arab nations. Also why do you think Latin Americans aren't a minority in the United States? An odd thing to say.
Omnis Scientia (
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12:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
"Hispanic and Latino Americans" are a container group for people from Latin American countries just like "Middle Eastern Americans" are a container group for people from Middle Eastern countries. Stop engaging in such bad faith arguments.
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15:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Bohemian Baltimore, I did and I still am - I understand where you're coming from as well. I just feel your "Let's delete Latino categories" argument is not in good faith. Its not the point of what we're discussing here.
Omnis Scientia (
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09:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Not to mention they are two different groups of people with two different types of history so your example amounts to false equivalence.
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It is, but she was born in Uzbekistan of Tajik descent, so this category is also appropriate, since she is indeed a British person of Tajik descent. --
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12:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge/delete. Being "Clearly part of a detailed and comprehensive category tree". is not a sufficiently good reason to keep a category. It rewards categories that are old, rather than categories that are useful.
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Category:Canadian people of Tajik descent
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Merge/delete. Being "Clearly part of a detailed and comprehensive category tree". is not a sufficiently good reason to keep a category. It rewards categories that are old, rather than categories that are useful.
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Category:People of West Asian descent
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Nominator's rationale: This category tree is not needed. Western Asia is often conflated with the Middle East. Western Asia includes the South Caucasus but does not include Egypt (outside the Sinai Peninsula) and Turkish Thrace (geographically in Southeast Europe). Now "West Asian descent" categories merely serve as containers for "Middle East descent" and "Caucasus descent." However, these classifications are not entirely accurate. The term "People of Middle East descent" includes individuals from the African part of Egypt and Turkish Thrace in Europe, while "People of Caucasus descent" encompasses individuals from the North Caucasus in Europe.
Aldij (
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09:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Merge to Asian parent categories. I agree that West Asia and Middle East are largely overlapping and we do not need both. However, it does not make sense to remove the content from the Asian tree.
Marcocapelle (
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14:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment First,
Category:Canadian people of West Asian descent has been emptied. Secondly, if we have categories for South Asia and Southeast Asia, wouldn't it make more sense to keep West Asia and dump the "Middle East" categories instead? They both are a little imprecise but what would make more sense fitting in with the existing geographic categorization? LizRead!Talk!19:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I believe it would be better to merge the category trees of South Asia and Southeast Asia into Asia as well. I will nominate them separately now. Regarding the decision to discard the "Middle East" categories, I'm not certain there is consensus for this, nor am I sure whether I will personally support it. However, perhaps they need to be deleted as well.
Aldij (
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15:59, 11 May 2024 (UTC)reply
There are plenty of locations that could be considered to be in West Asia that are no where near the Middle East, that are on the Europe-Asia border. LizRead!Talk!20:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)Creply
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Liz in principle, I am not opposed to your suggestion of merging the categories of Middle Eastern people into the categories for West Asian people. However, this clearly requires a separate discussion, as the
category:Middle Eastern people contains many different subcategories. I fear that the term "Middle East" is more commonly used than "West Asia." In any case, the main point of my proposal, and the most important one, is the unification of the two trees. The specific name chosen is not so important.
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IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
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Oppose. The naming is unnecessarily redundant. The proposal is equivalent to "1999 International Ice Hockey Federation Ice Hockey Women's World Championships". What logical reason is there to say ice hockey twice? Seems like the parent category should be discussed, not the children.
Flibirigit (
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11:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
The IIHF uses "IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championship" on all official documentation. I suspect the inclusion of 'Ice Hockey' has its roots in the period during which the IIHF also organized the
IIHF Inline Hockey World Championship. While I don’t disagree that the name may read as redundant, I do see value in maintaining the official name and feel the inclusion of 'Ice Hockey' is a helpful indicator for readers who may not be familiar with the IIHF acronym.
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19:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: I've tagged all of the categories and notified the creators. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Qwerfjkltalk17:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply
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Category:Arab diaspora in the Middle East
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Nominator's rationale: Not all individuals from countries such as Egypt, Iraq, Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon self-identify as Arabs. Therefore, this categorization may be misleading and fail to accurately reflect the diverse ethnic and national identities of people from these regions. Additionally, the term "diaspora" refers to a community of people who live outside their place of origin or ancestry. However, since Arabs are indigenous to the Middle East, the use of "diaspora" in this context can be confusing and inaccurate.
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Category:Mexican people of Arab descent
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Category:Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar)
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Category:Fiddlers from Sweden
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Nominator's rationale: I think these categories should be merged because frankly it's confusing to have two swedish categories
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Rename of Alien invasions in media et al.
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Nominator's rationale: Rename per several past renames, in order to make it clear that these categories are for media that are about alien invasions and such, not where such things make potentially trivial appearances.
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02:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)reply
Support. Surely we dont want [Category:Alien visitations in fiction] be populated with novels where, like, "Hey Bob, Pete says he was visited by aliens. He must be drinking" -
Altenmann>talk
I don't see how this is an argument against renaming the categories? This discussion is consistent with multiple recent category renamings as noted in the rationale. A few of them:
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4].
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Nominator's rationale: This category only contains the
Franz von Sickingen, who was a leader of the
Knights' War and the category of the conflict. I think that they should either be merged or this category should be deleted. It really doesn't help navigation.
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