June 24
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- The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated.
House
Blaster (
talk · he/they)
01:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Alberta to Category:Cabinets of Alberta navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Manitoba to Category:Cabinets of Manitoba navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of New Brunswick to Category:Cabinets of New Brunswick navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Newfoundland and Labrador to Category:Cabinets of Newfoundland and Labrador navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Nova Scotia to Category:Cabinets of Nova Scotia navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Ontario to Category:Cabinets of Ontario navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Prince Edward Island to Category:Cabinets of Prince Edward Island navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Quebec to Category:Cabinets of Quebec navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Saskatchewan to Category:Cabinets of Saskatchewan navigational boxes
- Nominator's rationale: All of these categories are navbox categories, and should be named accordingly. RedBlueGreen 93 20:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Jweiss11 ( talk) 20:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. -- Lenticel ( talk) 09:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:John Marshall Law School (Chicago) faculty
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:University of Illinois Chicago School of Law faculty. House Blaster ( talk · he/they) 01:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The school was renamed and the corresponding alumni category was moved to Category:University of Illinois Chicago School of Law alumni. This should follow suit. Dennis C. Abrams ( talk) 20:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional children by occupation
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Fictional children.
House
Blaster (
talk · he/they)
01:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Fictional children by occupation to Category:Fictional children
- Nominator's rationale: Nominating this again, this time for merge. Right now it is a
WP:NARROWCAT with only two subcategories. It might need to be dual merged, but either way it is clearly unnecessary with so few subcategories
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
13:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, didn't we go through this same thing before? And there were more categories in here before.
AHI-3000 (
talk)
18:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is no need to be rude and hostile, and most of the subcategories were removed for being blatantly incorrect so it's a different situation than last time. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 20:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge The old nomination was
Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_December_18#Category:Fictional_children_by_occupation. And now there are four subcategories. The only contents at the time of this nomination were
Category:Fictional child prostitutes and
Category:Fictional child soldiers; the other two, I thought we agreed to remove (alogn with two others) at the end of the last CfD. –
LaundryPizza03 (
d
c̄)
22:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, they were re-added post nomination, but consensus agreed they did not belong in this category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 23:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, didn't we go through this same thing before? And there were more categories in here before.
AHI-3000 (
talk)
18:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, redundant category layers with only two subcategories. I am discounting the two subcategories that were purged after the previous discussion as they do not belong here.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
23:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @ Dimadick: What do you think about this? AHI-3000 ( talk) 11:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There is scope for expansion. On the topic of
prostitutes, illegal occupations are still occupations.
Dimadick (
talk)
12:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- That was in the category at the time of the nomination, and still is. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 01:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 17:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)- AHI-3000, please stop edit warring on this matter. Do not repeatedly add members to the category that were purged as a result of the CfD discussion. — Qwerfjkl talk 17:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I do not agree there is scope for expansion. We have two subcategories here because Child prostitution and Children in the military are notable topics. I can't imagine any others for which this applies. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as proposed. I can't see any real scope for expansion beyond, say, Victorian children who were forced to work in mines or as chimney sweeps. Even so, I doubt if there would ever be enough subjects in each "occupation" to create anything more than a small category. PearlyGigs ( talk) 08:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Kenyon Owls
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- The result of the discussion was: rename.
House
Blaster (
talk · he/they)
01:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies to Category:Kenyon Owls
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies athletes to Category:Kenyon Owls athletes
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies athletic directors to Category:Kenyon Owls athletic directors
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords baseball to Category:Kenyon Owls baseball
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords baseball coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls baseball coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords baseball players to Category:Kenyon Owls baseball players
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords basketball to Category:Kenyon Owls men's basketball
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords basketball coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls men's basketball coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords basketball players to Category:Kenyon Owls men's basketball players
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football to Category:Kenyon Owls football
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls football coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football players to Category:Kenyon Owls football players
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football seasons to Category:Kenyon Owls football seasons
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords soccer to Category:Kenyon Owls men's soccer
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords soccer coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls men's soccer coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies swimming and diving to Category:Kenyon Owls swimming and diving
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Ladies swimmers to Category:Kenyon Owls women's swimmers
- Nominator's rationale: Kenyon College changed its fight name from Lords and Ladies to Owls in 2022. See here and here. Jweiss11 ( talk) 17:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support: per nomination. Thetreesarespeakingtome ( talk) 19:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk) 09:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Necessary changes. PearlyGigs ( talk) 09:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mansas of Mali
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to
Category:Mansas of the Mali Empire.
House
Blaster (
talk · he/they)
01:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Mansas of Mali to Category:Mansas of the Mali Empire
- Nominator's rationale: rename as more accurate, this is not about the modern republic of Mali.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
19:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. The modern country of Mali gained independence in 1960. Alternatively Category:Mansas, as the title Mansa is used only for the Mali Empire. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 03:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Alt rename or as per nom?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 17:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just Category:Mansas is fine with me as well. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support renaming as Category:Mansas of the Mali Empire, not as Category:Mansas. I think we need to mention the Mali Empire to provide the readers with that extra bit of information. Someone seeing Mansas might easily think it is about something else entirely, like Manassas. PearlyGigs ( talk) 09:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Template:CartoonNetwork-stub
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. House Blaster ( talk · he/they) 01:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Template no longer needed. After the discussion at
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 1#Category:Cartoon Network stubs resulted in its dedicated category being deleted as underpopulated, the uses of this template were purged for whether they needed to be filed directly in ‹The
template
Category link is being
considered for merging.›
Category:Animation stubs or not, and it turned out that every article with this on it either didn't belong in that category at all or was simply redundant to the page already being in the ‹The
template
Category link is being
considered for merging.›
Category:Animated television series stubs subcategory, meaning it's now been completely stripped from articlespace and is now in use only on a single ten-year-old user sandbox page that's still completely unreferenced for the purposes of becoming salvageable as an article.
Essentially, without a dedicated category this is just redundant to other templates, because any possible use of it would now just result in duplicate categorization of the page in both ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Animation stubs and one of its subcategories at the same time. Bearcat ( talk) 13:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Former Premier League clubs
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. Currently empty but, until just now, it had only Leeds United in it. A total of 51 clubs have played in the Premier League and all except Leeds were in Category:Premier League clubs. Has someone been having a laugh? If the PLC category is meant to hold all 51 clubs, then FPLC is redundant. On the other hand, keeping FPLC will mean seasonal updates in both categories which no one will want to do. PearlyGigs ( talk) 06:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 06:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Liz. Should I have left it alone pending the outcome of this discussion? I'll revert the edit if so. Thanks. PearlyGigs ( talk) 06:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and populate. The decision should be made for all leagues from ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Association football clubs by former league, not only for England. Even for all structure ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Sports teams by former league. Keep all (first choice) or delete all. Teterev53 ( talk) 12:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- There seems to be no set purpose for the ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Association football clubs by former league and its subcats. Are we talking about defunct clubs, or about clubs that have gone upwards from an amateur league to a professional one, or about all promotions/relegations. Take ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Former Highland Football League teams for example. This includes Aberdeen, whose first team never played in the league, although one of their reserve teams did. Then there are four other clubs currently in the SPFL, three former clubs which became entities of Caley Thistle, and three fully defunct clubs. What exactly is the scope of that category?
- As for the FPLC category, it is obviously not being maintained and I doubt if it ever will be. I'd have thought that the scope of Category:Premier League clubs is clubs whose teams have played in the PL, even if for only one season back in the 1990s. Similarly, I would expect to find the likes of Cove Rangers in Category:Highland Football League teams, as well as in the SPFL category.
- We have to remember that categories provide essential navigation for the readers and so their scope and purpose must be certain. The use of "former" in a category title is bound to confuse and mislead. Does it mean "defunct" (like Wimbledon), does it mean "once upon a time" (like Oldham), or does it mean "not at the moment" (like Leeds). PearlyGigs ( talk) 14:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. Giant Snowman 20:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and re-populate as above. The name of the category is a separate discussion. Giant Snowman 20:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- But if we re-populate the former clubs category, what happens to the 31 articles in Category:Premier League clubs about clubs that will not be in the PL next season? And will the two categories be updated at the end of each season? PearlyGigs ( talk) 20:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - it is nothing to do with ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Association football clubs by former league as the Premier League is a current league. Perspicax ( talk) 22:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- This seems to be a strong argument. It also implies that a broader discussion about ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Association football clubs by former league is not necessary. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's an excellent point by Perspicax and I admit it didn't occur to me. I agree the proposed discussion is unnecessary within the context of this nomination. The question is whether relegated members of the PL, many of whom will eventually regain promotion, should be categorised as "former" or should be categorised as having played in the league. Remember that when I found ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Former Premier League clubs, it contained Leeds only, so it was obviously not being maintained. Teterev53 did a partial population after this nomination was raised. PearlyGigs ( talk) 08:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- If ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Association football clubs by former league is only meant to contain sub-cats relating to defunct leagues, as @ Perspicax:'s comment seems to imply, than it needs some work, as it contains sub-cats relating to the Highland League and the League of Ireland, both of which are still very much in existence ("current") -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Btw for Perspicax about ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Association football clubs by former league. It means: not "former league" only. It means: "former league of that clubs". A league where this team played in the past. There are many "current leagues" in it. The ideas for better naming of category are welcomed. Teterev53 ( talk) 21:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:12th-century Arab historians
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated category. Upmerge to 12th-century historians of the medieval Islamic world Mason ( talk) 17:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I have been making efforts to phase out the
Category:Medieval Islamic world
WP:OR
WP:ARBITRARYCAT tree, step by step. I gave it a break in September, but I still think the whole tree should be phased out. Isolation is not a problem; the real issue is creating pseudo-historical unity where there was none for
WP:POV reasons.
NLeeuw (
talk)
18:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have an alternative merge target? Such as 12th-century historians?
Mason (
talk)
01:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging
Nederlandse Leeuw.
House
Blaster (
talk · he/they)
22:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I think a
Reverse mergewould work, at least for those who were Arab. We should check for Persian, Turkic etc. historians in the MIW cat. NLeeuw ( talk) 23:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)- E.g.
Basil bar Shumna is described as "Syriac". Might fit in the Syrian subcat? Otherwise it seems fine.
NLeeuw (
talk)
23:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think that reverse merge doesn't address the issue of the isolated target. I'd much rather merge to Category:12th-century historians instead of a reverse merge, per egrs and the fact that the category is isolated. Mason ( talk) 02:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- E.g.
Basil bar Shumna is described as "Syriac". Might fit in the Syrian subcat? Otherwise it seems fine.
NLeeuw (
talk)
23:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I think a
- Pinging
Nederlandse Leeuw.
House
Blaster (
talk · he/they)
22:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have an alternative merge target? Such as 12th-century historians?
Mason (
talk)
01:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on reverse merging?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster ( talk · he/they) 23:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose reverse merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle ( talk) 01:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - The difference between the two is certainly insignificant. Georgethedragonslayer ( talk) 09:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no consensus on direction of merging.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 05:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing has changed since nom started the discussion. Merging to parent categorie(s), in this case Category:12th-century historians of the medieval Islamic world is the obvious fate of an undesirable category (or delete, but we all agree that delete is not applicable here). Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I agree with NLeeuw. A vague, and often contentious, expression like "medieval" or "middle ages" should not be in the title of a category that is essentially chronological (i.e., 12th century). The point is that there is no certainty about the timespan of the medieval period. I would merge both Category:12th-century Arab historians and Category:12th-century historians of the medieval Islamic world into Category:12th-century historians, as also suggested above. PearlyGigs ( talk) 10:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:National military histories by war
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 2#Category:National military histories by war
Category:Northwest Community College Conference football standings templates
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Northwest Athletic Association of Community Colleges football standings templates. House Blaster ( talk · he/they) 01:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The Northwest Athletic Conference sponsored football through the 1989 season when the league was known as the "Northwest Athletic Association of Community Colleges". Jweiss11 ( talk) 03:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Defunct off-price department stores of the United States
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
House
Blaster (
talk · he/they)
01:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Defunct off-price department stores of the United States to Category:Defunct department stores of the United States and Category:Defunct discount stores of the United States
- Propose merging Category:Off-price department stores of the United States to Category:Department stores of the United States and Category:Discount stores of the United States
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category Mason ( talk) 13:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:History of Great Britain
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 01:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Option A: remove header and a remove a number of parent categories. Option B: nominate subcategories for merger. In any case, the current content of the category is completely out of sync with how the category creator(s) intended.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
20:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @
Marcocapelle, please clarify the issue with this particular category. I don't really follow.
Omnis Scientia (
talk)
00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @
Omnis Scientia: it contains articles like
Britain in the Middle Ages and
Anatomy of a Nation. A History of British Identity in 50 Documents, and a huge tree under
Category:History of Great Britain by period while it's supposed to be about the 18th century.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
05:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @
Marcocapelle, Ah I see that now. Well I would go with Option B, removing any subcategories which aren't related to the period between 1707 and 1801. And also the removal of any article that does not fall between 1707 and 1801. We should try to bring it back into sync with the original purpose it was created for.
Omnis Scientia (
talk)
09:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- One big problem with keeping the original intended scope is: what is Category:Kingdom of Great Britain for if not the history of the Kingdom of Great Britain? It's not as if that entity still exists. Ham II ( talk) 16:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Marcocapelle, Ah I see that now. Well I would go with Option B, removing any subcategories which aren't related to the period between 1707 and 1801. And also the removal of any article that does not fall between 1707 and 1801. We should try to bring it back into sync with the original purpose it was created for.
Omnis Scientia (
talk)
09:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @
Omnis Scientia: it contains articles like
Britain in the Middle Ages and
Anatomy of a Nation. A History of British Identity in 50 Documents, and a huge tree under
Category:History of Great Britain by period while it's supposed to be about the 18th century.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
05:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @
Marcocapelle, please clarify the issue with this particular category. I don't really follow.
Omnis Scientia (
talk)
00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just Delete & re-home articles as necessary. The period of the Kingdom of Great Britain - from 1707 to 1800, is not really used by historians or the public. If kept it should be more clearly named to avoid confusion with the (main) geographical meaning of Great Britain, which has clearly been taken by some adders as the intended meaning. In fact such a category might make more sense, at the top of trees with UK, English, Scottish & Welsh sub-cats. Johnbod ( talk) 01:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on deletion?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm leaning towards Option A, in order to make the scope fully about the geographical area
Great Britain and not the former sovereign state the
Kingdom of Great Britain. Anything about the history of the latter –
Category:Politics of the Kingdom of Great Britain, probably
Category:Colonial United States (British), etc. – should be at
Category:Kingdom of Great Britain, currently a parent category to this one. A new header stating this might be necessary, because the distinction isn't obvious (which seems to have led to the current situation).
Ham II (
talk)
13:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The new header I'm proposing could be based on the existing one at Category:Great Britain. Ham II ( talk) 14:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 15:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just Delete & re-home articles as necessary per Johnbod and WP:ARBITRARYCAT / WP:SHAREDNAME. As Ham II pointed out, we've already got Category:Kingdom of Great Britain. I don't see the point of a separate tree for the island of Great Britain if everything is already in Category:History of the United Kingdom, Category:Kingdom of Great Britain and other subcategories and subtrees. NLeeuw ( talk) 17:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 01:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I think the title is the problem here. It's ambiguous given that the Kingdom of Great Britain did exist. There are articles in the category which do not belong — for example, the Hampden Clubs were 19th century. We need to carefully recategorise each member and then delete this. I agree with NLeeuw that we should use Category:History of the United Kingdom, Category:Kingdom of Great Britain, etc. PearlyGigs ( talk) 06:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comments. 1. As the nominator, I do not oppose deletion. However, deletion should be implemented as manual merge to
Kingdom of Great Britain. 2. Deletion of this category moves the problem to
Category:History of Great Britain by period. We should discuss that next, including subcategories, if this category is deleted.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
20:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. Ultimately, the problems will snowball into a review of ‹The
template
Cat is being
considered for merging.›
Category:History of the United Kingdom as a whole. That category includes, for example,
Integration of Normandy into the royal domain of the Kingdom of France (in 911). The eventual solution might have to be strictly historical, keeping England to 1707 and Scotland to 1707 separate from all GB or UK coverage and commencing UK history with
Acts of Union 1800.
PearlyGigs (
talk)
08:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Great Britain, if it's taken to refer to the island and not the Kingdom of Great Britain (and note the titles and scope of those articles), isn't an anachronistic term for any period, whereas United Kingdom is generally understood to be anachronistic for periods before 1801. England and Scotland are still current; Kingdom of England and Kingdom of Scotland are not. Ham II ( talk) 10:49, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. Ultimately, the problems will snowball into a review of ‹The
template
Cat is being
considered for merging.›
Category:History of the United Kingdom as a whole. That category includes, for example,
Integration of Normandy into the royal domain of the Kingdom of France (in 911). The eventual solution might have to be strictly historical, keeping England to 1707 and Scotland to 1707 separate from all GB or UK coverage and commencing UK history with
Acts of Union 1800.
PearlyGigs (
talk)
08:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Beauty pageant controversies
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 2#Category:Beauty pageant controversies
June 24
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- The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated.
House
Blaster (
talk · he/they)
01:29, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Alberta to Category:Cabinets of Alberta navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Manitoba to Category:Cabinets of Manitoba navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of New Brunswick to Category:Cabinets of New Brunswick navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Newfoundland and Labrador to Category:Cabinets of Newfoundland and Labrador navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Nova Scotia to Category:Cabinets of Nova Scotia navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Ontario to Category:Cabinets of Ontario navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Prince Edward Island to Category:Cabinets of Prince Edward Island navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Quebec to Category:Cabinets of Quebec navigational boxes
- Propose renaming Category:Cabinets of Saskatchewan to Category:Cabinets of Saskatchewan navigational boxes
- Nominator's rationale: All of these categories are navbox categories, and should be named accordingly. RedBlueGreen 93 20:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Jweiss11 ( talk) 20:56, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. -- Lenticel ( talk) 09:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:John Marshall Law School (Chicago) faculty
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:University of Illinois Chicago School of Law faculty. House Blaster ( talk · he/they) 01:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The school was renamed and the corresponding alumni category was moved to Category:University of Illinois Chicago School of Law alumni. This should follow suit. Dennis C. Abrams ( talk) 20:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fictional children by occupation
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to
Category:Fictional children.
House
Blaster (
talk · he/they)
01:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Fictional children by occupation to Category:Fictional children
- Nominator's rationale: Nominating this again, this time for merge. Right now it is a
WP:NARROWCAT with only two subcategories. It might need to be dual merged, but either way it is clearly unnecessary with so few subcategories
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ)
13:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, didn't we go through this same thing before? And there were more categories in here before.
AHI-3000 (
talk)
18:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- There is no need to be rude and hostile, and most of the subcategories were removed for being blatantly incorrect so it's a different situation than last time. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 20:50, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge The old nomination was
Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_December_18#Category:Fictional_children_by_occupation. And now there are four subcategories. The only contents at the time of this nomination were
Category:Fictional child prostitutes and
Category:Fictional child soldiers; the other two, I thought we agreed to remove (alogn with two others) at the end of the last CfD. –
LaundryPizza03 (
d
c̄)
22:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, they were re-added post nomination, but consensus agreed they did not belong in this category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 23:10, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, didn't we go through this same thing before? And there were more categories in here before.
AHI-3000 (
talk)
18:30, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, redundant category layers with only two subcategories. I am discounting the two subcategories that were purged after the previous discussion as they do not belong here.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
23:11, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @ Dimadick: What do you think about this? AHI-3000 ( talk) 11:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose There is scope for expansion. On the topic of
prostitutes, illegal occupations are still occupations.
Dimadick (
talk)
12:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- That was in the category at the time of the nomination, and still is. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 01:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 17:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)- AHI-3000, please stop edit warring on this matter. Do not repeatedly add members to the category that were purged as a result of the CfD discussion. — Qwerfjkl talk 17:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I do not agree there is scope for expansion. We have two subcategories here because Child prostitution and Children in the military are notable topics. I can't imagine any others for which this applies. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:17, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as proposed. I can't see any real scope for expansion beyond, say, Victorian children who were forced to work in mines or as chimney sweeps. Even so, I doubt if there would ever be enough subjects in each "occupation" to create anything more than a small category. PearlyGigs ( talk) 08:25, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Kenyon Owls
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- The result of the discussion was: rename.
House
Blaster (
talk · he/they)
01:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies to Category:Kenyon Owls
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies athletes to Category:Kenyon Owls athletes
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies athletic directors to Category:Kenyon Owls athletic directors
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords baseball to Category:Kenyon Owls baseball
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords baseball coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls baseball coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords baseball players to Category:Kenyon Owls baseball players
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords basketball to Category:Kenyon Owls men's basketball
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords basketball coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls men's basketball coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords basketball players to Category:Kenyon Owls men's basketball players
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football to Category:Kenyon Owls football
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls football coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football players to Category:Kenyon Owls football players
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords football seasons to Category:Kenyon Owls football seasons
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords soccer to Category:Kenyon Owls men's soccer
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords soccer coaches to Category:Kenyon Owls men's soccer coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Lords and Ladies swimming and diving to Category:Kenyon Owls swimming and diving
- Propose renaming Category:Kenyon Ladies swimmers to Category:Kenyon Owls women's swimmers
- Nominator's rationale: Kenyon College changed its fight name from Lords and Ladies to Owls in 2022. See here and here. Jweiss11 ( talk) 17:11, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support: per nomination. Thetreesarespeakingtome ( talk) 19:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom -- Lenticel ( talk) 09:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Necessary changes. PearlyGigs ( talk) 09:38, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Mansas of Mali
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to
Category:Mansas of the Mali Empire.
House
Blaster (
talk · he/they)
01:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Mansas of Mali to Category:Mansas of the Mali Empire
- Nominator's rationale: rename as more accurate, this is not about the modern republic of Mali.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
19:15, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. The modern country of Mali gained independence in 1960. Alternatively Category:Mansas, as the title Mansa is used only for the Mali Empire. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 03:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Alt rename or as per nom?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 17:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just Category:Mansas is fine with me as well. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support renaming as Category:Mansas of the Mali Empire, not as Category:Mansas. I think we need to mention the Mali Empire to provide the readers with that extra bit of information. Someone seeing Mansas might easily think it is about something else entirely, like Manassas. PearlyGigs ( talk) 09:36, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
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Template:CartoonNetwork-stub
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. House Blaster ( talk · he/they) 01:35, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Template no longer needed. After the discussion at
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 1#Category:Cartoon Network stubs resulted in its dedicated category being deleted as underpopulated, the uses of this template were purged for whether they needed to be filed directly in ‹The
template
Category link is being
considered for merging.›
Category:Animation stubs or not, and it turned out that every article with this on it either didn't belong in that category at all or was simply redundant to the page already being in the ‹The
template
Category link is being
considered for merging.›
Category:Animated television series stubs subcategory, meaning it's now been completely stripped from articlespace and is now in use only on a single ten-year-old user sandbox page that's still completely unreferenced for the purposes of becoming salvageable as an article.
Essentially, without a dedicated category this is just redundant to other templates, because any possible use of it would now just result in duplicate categorization of the page in both ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.› Category:Animation stubs and one of its subcategories at the same time. Bearcat ( talk) 13:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Former Premier League clubs
- Nominator's rationale: Delete. Currently empty but, until just now, it had only Leeds United in it. A total of 51 clubs have played in the Premier League and all except Leeds were in Category:Premier League clubs. Has someone been having a laugh? If the PLC category is meant to hold all 51 clubs, then FPLC is redundant. On the other hand, keeping FPLC will mean seasonal updates in both categories which no one will want to do. PearlyGigs ( talk) 06:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 06:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, Liz. Should I have left it alone pending the outcome of this discussion? I'll revert the edit if so. Thanks. PearlyGigs ( talk) 06:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and populate. The decision should be made for all leagues from ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Association football clubs by former league, not only for England. Even for all structure ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Sports teams by former league. Keep all (first choice) or delete all. Teterev53 ( talk) 12:05, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- There seems to be no set purpose for the ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Association football clubs by former league and its subcats. Are we talking about defunct clubs, or about clubs that have gone upwards from an amateur league to a professional one, or about all promotions/relegations. Take ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Former Highland Football League teams for example. This includes Aberdeen, whose first team never played in the league, although one of their reserve teams did. Then there are four other clubs currently in the SPFL, three former clubs which became entities of Caley Thistle, and three fully defunct clubs. What exactly is the scope of that category?
- As for the FPLC category, it is obviously not being maintained and I doubt if it ever will be. I'd have thought that the scope of Category:Premier League clubs is clubs whose teams have played in the PL, even if for only one season back in the 1990s. Similarly, I would expect to find the likes of Cove Rangers in Category:Highland Football League teams, as well as in the SPFL category.
- We have to remember that categories provide essential navigation for the readers and so their scope and purpose must be certain. The use of "former" in a category title is bound to confuse and mislead. Does it mean "defunct" (like Wimbledon), does it mean "once upon a time" (like Oldham), or does it mean "not at the moment" (like Leeds). PearlyGigs ( talk) 14:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. Giant Snowman 20:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Keep and re-populate as above. The name of the category is a separate discussion. Giant Snowman 20:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- But if we re-populate the former clubs category, what happens to the 31 articles in Category:Premier League clubs about clubs that will not be in the PL next season? And will the two categories be updated at the end of each season? PearlyGigs ( talk) 20:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - it is nothing to do with ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Association football clubs by former league as the Premier League is a current league. Perspicax ( talk) 22:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
- This seems to be a strong argument. It also implies that a broader discussion about ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Association football clubs by former league is not necessary. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- It's an excellent point by Perspicax and I admit it didn't occur to me. I agree the proposed discussion is unnecessary within the context of this nomination. The question is whether relegated members of the PL, many of whom will eventually regain promotion, should be categorised as "former" or should be categorised as having played in the league. Remember that when I found ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Former Premier League clubs, it contained Leeds only, so it was obviously not being maintained. Teterev53 did a partial population after this nomination was raised. PearlyGigs ( talk) 08:08, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- If ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Association football clubs by former league is only meant to contain sub-cats relating to defunct leagues, as @ Perspicax:'s comment seems to imply, than it needs some work, as it contains sub-cats relating to the Highland League and the League of Ireland, both of which are still very much in existence ("current") -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 12:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Btw for Perspicax about ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.› Category:Association football clubs by former league. It means: not "former league" only. It means: "former league of that clubs". A league where this team played in the past. There are many "current leagues" in it. The ideas for better naming of category are welcomed. Teterev53 ( talk) 21:43, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Category:12th-century Arab historians
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated category. Upmerge to 12th-century historians of the medieval Islamic world Mason ( talk) 17:19, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I have been making efforts to phase out the
Category:Medieval Islamic world
WP:OR
WP:ARBITRARYCAT tree, step by step. I gave it a break in September, but I still think the whole tree should be phased out. Isolation is not a problem; the real issue is creating pseudo-historical unity where there was none for
WP:POV reasons.
NLeeuw (
talk)
18:53, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have an alternative merge target? Such as 12th-century historians?
Mason (
talk)
01:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging
Nederlandse Leeuw.
House
Blaster (
talk · he/they)
22:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I think a
Reverse mergewould work, at least for those who were Arab. We should check for Persian, Turkic etc. historians in the MIW cat. NLeeuw ( talk) 23:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)- E.g.
Basil bar Shumna is described as "Syriac". Might fit in the Syrian subcat? Otherwise it seems fine.
NLeeuw (
talk)
23:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- I think that reverse merge doesn't address the issue of the isolated target. I'd much rather merge to Category:12th-century historians instead of a reverse merge, per egrs and the fact that the category is isolated. Mason ( talk) 02:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- E.g.
Basil bar Shumna is described as "Syriac". Might fit in the Syrian subcat? Otherwise it seems fine.
NLeeuw (
talk)
23:08, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I think a
- Pinging
Nederlandse Leeuw.
House
Blaster (
talk · he/they)
22:14, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Do you have an alternative merge target? Such as 12th-century historians?
Mason (
talk)
01:14, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:01, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on reverse merging?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster ( talk · he/they) 23:50, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose reverse merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle ( talk) 01:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Support - The difference between the two is certainly insignificant. Georgethedragonslayer ( talk) 09:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Still no consensus on direction of merging.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 05:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Nothing has changed since nom started the discussion. Merging to parent categorie(s), in this case Category:12th-century historians of the medieval Islamic world is the obvious fate of an undesirable category (or delete, but we all agree that delete is not applicable here). Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose. I agree with NLeeuw. A vague, and often contentious, expression like "medieval" or "middle ages" should not be in the title of a category that is essentially chronological (i.e., 12th century). The point is that there is no certainty about the timespan of the medieval period. I would merge both Category:12th-century Arab historians and Category:12th-century historians of the medieval Islamic world into Category:12th-century historians, as also suggested above. PearlyGigs ( talk) 10:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:National military histories by war
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 2#Category:National military histories by war
Category:Northwest Community College Conference football standings templates
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Northwest Athletic Association of Community Colleges football standings templates. House Blaster ( talk · he/they) 01:39, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: The Northwest Athletic Conference sponsored football through the 1989 season when the league was known as the "Northwest Athletic Association of Community Colleges". Jweiss11 ( talk) 03:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Defunct off-price department stores of the United States
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
House
Blaster (
talk · he/they)
01:38, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Defunct off-price department stores of the United States to Category:Defunct department stores of the United States and Category:Defunct discount stores of the United States
- Propose merging Category:Off-price department stores of the United States to Category:Department stores of the United States and Category:Discount stores of the United States
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category Mason ( talk) 13:30, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 03:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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Category:History of Great Britain
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 01:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Option A: remove header and a remove a number of parent categories. Option B: nominate subcategories for merger. In any case, the current content of the category is completely out of sync with how the category creator(s) intended.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
20:23, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
- @
Marcocapelle, please clarify the issue with this particular category. I don't really follow.
Omnis Scientia (
talk)
00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @
Omnis Scientia: it contains articles like
Britain in the Middle Ages and
Anatomy of a Nation. A History of British Identity in 50 Documents, and a huge tree under
Category:History of Great Britain by period while it's supposed to be about the 18th century.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
05:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @
Marcocapelle, Ah I see that now. Well I would go with Option B, removing any subcategories which aren't related to the period between 1707 and 1801. And also the removal of any article that does not fall between 1707 and 1801. We should try to bring it back into sync with the original purpose it was created for.
Omnis Scientia (
talk)
09:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- One big problem with keeping the original intended scope is: what is Category:Kingdom of Great Britain for if not the history of the Kingdom of Great Britain? It's not as if that entity still exists. Ham II ( talk) 16:39, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @
Marcocapelle, Ah I see that now. Well I would go with Option B, removing any subcategories which aren't related to the period between 1707 and 1801. And also the removal of any article that does not fall between 1707 and 1801. We should try to bring it back into sync with the original purpose it was created for.
Omnis Scientia (
talk)
09:06, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @
Omnis Scientia: it contains articles like
Britain in the Middle Ages and
Anatomy of a Nation. A History of British Identity in 50 Documents, and a huge tree under
Category:History of Great Britain by period while it's supposed to be about the 18th century.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
05:43, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- @
Marcocapelle, please clarify the issue with this particular category. I don't really follow.
Omnis Scientia (
talk)
00:45, 28 May 2024 (UTC)
- Just Delete & re-home articles as necessary. The period of the Kingdom of Great Britain - from 1707 to 1800, is not really used by historians or the public. If kept it should be more clearly named to avoid confusion with the (main) geographical meaning of Great Britain, which has clearly been taken by some adders as the intended meaning. In fact such a category might make more sense, at the top of trees with UK, English, Scottish & Welsh sub-cats. Johnbod ( talk) 01:26, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on deletion?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, House Blaster ( talk · he/him) 02:58, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm leaning towards Option A, in order to make the scope fully about the geographical area
Great Britain and not the former sovereign state the
Kingdom of Great Britain. Anything about the history of the latter –
Category:Politics of the Kingdom of Great Britain, probably
Category:Colonial United States (British), etc. – should be at
Category:Kingdom of Great Britain, currently a parent category to this one. A new header stating this might be necessary, because the distinction isn't obvious (which seems to have led to the current situation).
Ham II (
talk)
13:43, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- The new header I'm proposing could be based on the existing one at Category:Great Britain. Ham II ( talk) 14:51, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 15:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Just Delete & re-home articles as necessary per Johnbod and WP:ARBITRARYCAT / WP:SHAREDNAME. As Ham II pointed out, we've already got Category:Kingdom of Great Britain. I don't see the point of a separate tree for the island of Great Britain if everything is already in Category:History of the United Kingdom, Category:Kingdom of Great Britain and other subcategories and subtrees. NLeeuw ( talk) 17:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 01:47, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. I think the title is the problem here. It's ambiguous given that the Kingdom of Great Britain did exist. There are articles in the category which do not belong — for example, the Hampden Clubs were 19th century. We need to carefully recategorise each member and then delete this. I agree with NLeeuw that we should use Category:History of the United Kingdom, Category:Kingdom of Great Britain, etc. PearlyGigs ( talk) 06:32, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comments. 1. As the nominator, I do not oppose deletion. However, deletion should be implemented as manual merge to
Kingdom of Great Britain. 2. Deletion of this category moves the problem to
Category:History of Great Britain by period. We should discuss that next, including subcategories, if this category is deleted.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
20:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. Ultimately, the problems will snowball into a review of ‹The
template
Cat is being
considered for merging.›
Category:History of the United Kingdom as a whole. That category includes, for example,
Integration of Normandy into the royal domain of the Kingdom of France (in 911). The eventual solution might have to be strictly historical, keeping England to 1707 and Scotland to 1707 separate from all GB or UK coverage and commencing UK history with
Acts of Union 1800.
PearlyGigs (
talk)
08:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Great Britain, if it's taken to refer to the island and not the Kingdom of Great Britain (and note the titles and scope of those articles), isn't an anachronistic term for any period, whereas United Kingdom is generally understood to be anachronistic for periods before 1801. England and Scotland are still current; Kingdom of England and Kingdom of Scotland are not. Ham II ( talk) 10:49, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. Ultimately, the problems will snowball into a review of ‹The
template
Cat is being
considered for merging.›
Category:History of the United Kingdom as a whole. That category includes, for example,
Integration of Normandy into the royal domain of the Kingdom of France (in 911). The eventual solution might have to be strictly historical, keeping England to 1707 and Scotland to 1707 separate from all GB or UK coverage and commencing UK history with
Acts of Union 1800.
PearlyGigs (
talk)
08:53, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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