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Category:Horror games
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Category:Ministry of International Trade and Industry (Malaysia)
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Related RM Nomination I just opened a formal RM to confirm that the bold removal of the parenthetical of the main article has a consensus. Your input (pro/con/other) is welcome
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Defer to the outcome of that RM, whether I agree with the consensus or not. -
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Just follow the outcome of the RM.
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Category:Fiction with alternate endings
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Nominator's rationale: Delete per
WP:NONDEF. The existence of alternate endings in fiction or games is usually an interesting bit of trivia, if anything, perhaps a selling point, but doesn't define the work.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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The two potential main articles we have in this category are
Alternate ending and
Types of fiction with multiple endings. So I think it makes sense to stick to one of those naming formats. But, it sounds like we're both OK with purging this one. (I updated my iVote above to formally endorse deleting the video game subcategory since I think alt endings are the norm in modern video games.) -
RevelationDirect (
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Delete subcategory only, for video games this is too common.
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Category:Paedophile Information Exchange people
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Nominator's rationale: SMALLCAT. There is no parent category for the organization to merge to so Category:Pedophile advocacy is the best place.
★Trekker (
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Keep --
Paedophile Information Exchange was a British organisation, one of whose members had an unrelated job in British Home Office, making it appear to be officially sponsored (which it was not). I know that we like a minimum of five articles (and here only have four), but I am reluctant to merge a British category into a worldwide one.
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Category:PlaySation drafts
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Category:Pet shrines
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Nominator's rationale:delete, not a defining characteristic of the articles in the category. Most articles do not mention it at all.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete not treated as defining in pracgtice. -
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Category:Shinto shrines by faith
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Nominator's rationale:rename, this does not seem to concern different denominations in Shintoism, the subcategories are based on deities. Sort of
WP:C2C per parent
Category:Temples by deity.
Marcocapelle (
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@
Marcocapelle i tried to talk about this with WikiProject Japan and they were fairly insistent on the word Faith (信仰, shinkō), while i thought the word cult was better
not all of these shrines have a well defined deity associated with them,
Category:Gokoku shrines is linked to a variety of deceased soldiers and
Category:Gion shrines claim to be Susanoo shrines but their practices derive from a long history very different from conventional Susanoo shrines
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@
Immanuelle: wasn't the issue maybe more that the word "cult" has a negative connotation? Good point that
Category:Gokoku shrines does not belong in this category, I will move it to the parent.
Marcocapelle (
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I do think Gokoku shrines belongs in this category because it is a specific kind of worship being done at the shrine. It has the same kind of tradition as say Inari shrines or Gion shrines.
Immanuelle ❤️💚💙
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Nominator's rationale:delete, not a defining characteristic of the articles in the category.
Marcocapelle (
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Looking over the shrines I think I agree with them. Most of them are no different than any other shrines dedicated to individuals except that they were created in the period of the
Japanese Empire. The only one where the name actually makes sense is
Draft:Hiko Shrine which is a draft, as it's dedicated to all people who die in aviation accidents.
Although some shrines such as Hachiman and Tenjin shrines are harder to categorize in this as they are deified people who people often worship without knowledge of the historical individuals.
Immanuelle ❤️💚💙
(talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 16:09, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Ok, let's rename and reorganize it as you propose.
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Category:Tenjin faith
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Nominator's rationale:rename per main article
Tenjin (kami). Possibly add "worship" per section title "worship". Faith seems wrong, it does not apparently concern a separate faith within Shintoism.
Marcocapelle (
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I agree Faith (信仰, shinkō) is what WikiProject Japan uses and i think it’s awkward. My preferred translation is cult. Changing this would involve a lot of changes across Wikipedia relating to how we translate shinko.
Immanuelle ❤️💚💙
(talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 15:38, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Rename to Category:Tenjin (kami) to match parent article --
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Category:Rāgarāja
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Nominator's rationale:delete,
Rāgarāja is a Japanese deity, but it is not a defining characteristic of the other articles in the category.
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Category:Churches by Patron Saint
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Nominator's rationale:delete per
WP:SHAREDNAME, these churches don't have anything in common of encyclopedic value. We already have disambiguation pages, e.g.
Saint George's Church. If kept, at least rename to "patron saint" without capitals.
Marcocapelle (
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They aren’t just the names. They are talking about whether the churches have icons or ties to the cults of those saints. Considering many people will go on specific pilgrimages for things like that i think it’s worth it. I do believe though that there has to be some kind of tie other than the name. That’s why i didn’t add all the Saint George churches to the category. Catholicism tends to get rather performative with its Saint cults at times.
Immanuelle ❤️💚💙
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Sure, there's maybe a representation of the saint in stained glass, but that just raises
WP:OCASSOC. -
RevelationDirect (
talk) 01:25, 7 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Possibly listify before Delete -- a clear
WP:SHAREDNAME case. The focus of worship in any church is God, not the patron saint.
Peterkingiron (
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Delete: I agree with the nominator that this is best covered by disambiguation pages.
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Category:Montreal Royales players
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Nominator's rationale: Should be deleted per
WP:SMALLCAT. It has one member and no likelihood of growth. The
Montreal Royales were a failed independent baseball team which only played half of a season in 2003 and
Garvin Alston, the only member of the category, is their only player who was notable enough to warrant an article.
Dennis C. Abrams (
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Delete The two sentences in the
Garvin Alston article make it clear this wasn't defining, and that's the only article. -
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Category:Toronto Maple Leafs (International League) players
Category:Buried in the Israeli Cemetery of Butantã
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Nominator's rationale: Badly named
WP:SMALLCAT for just one event. Obviously we can do "Burials at [Cemetery]" categories for large and notable cemeteries that have a lot of notable people buried there -- but firstly, every cemetery on earth does not automatically get one of these the moment there's one murder case whose otherwise non-notable victim happens to be buried there, and secondly, even if there were grounds to keep this it would have to be renamed "Burials at", not "Buried in".
Bearcat (
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Delete - there is no article
Israeli Cemetery of Butantã and neither is there a mention of Butantã in the relevant article (which is not a person anyway).
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Category:Horror games
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The result of the discussion was:Withdrawn. Main article was moved, so moving the category is currently moot.
(non-admin closure)ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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Category:Ministry of International Trade and Industry (Malaysia)
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Related RM Nomination I just opened a formal RM to confirm that the bold removal of the parenthetical of the main article has a consensus. Your input (pro/con/other) is welcome
right here. -
RevelationDirect (
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Defer to the outcome of that RM, whether I agree with the consensus or not. -
RevelationDirect (
talk) 04:06, 20 April 2023 (UTC)reply
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William Allen Simpson (
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Just follow the outcome of the RM.
Marcocapelle (
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The RM remains open and input (pro/con/other) is welcome. -
RevelationDirect (
talk) 02:05, 27 April 2023 (UTC)reply
The RM has also been relisted to try and reach a consensus there. If you haven't already weighed in (pro/con/other), you can do so
right here. -
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Category:Fiction with alternate endings
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Nominator's rationale: Delete per
WP:NONDEF. The existence of alternate endings in fiction or games is usually an interesting bit of trivia, if anything, perhaps a selling point, but doesn't define the work.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 00:27, 26 April 2023 (UTC)reply
The two potential main articles we have in this category are
Alternate ending and
Types of fiction with multiple endings. So I think it makes sense to stick to one of those naming formats. But, it sounds like we're both OK with purging this one. (I updated my iVote above to formally endorse deleting the video game subcategory since I think alt endings are the norm in modern video games.) -
RevelationDirect (
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Delete subcategory only, for video games this is too common.
Marcocapelle (
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Category:Paedophile Information Exchange people
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Nominator's rationale: SMALLCAT. There is no parent category for the organization to merge to so Category:Pedophile advocacy is the best place.
★Trekker (
talk) 17:38, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Keep --
Paedophile Information Exchange was a British organisation, one of whose members had an unrelated job in British Home Office, making it appear to be officially sponsored (which it was not). I know that we like a minimum of five articles (and here only have four), but I am reluctant to merge a British category into a worldwide one.
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Category:PlaySation drafts
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Category:Pet shrines
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Nominator's rationale:delete, not a defining characteristic of the articles in the category. Most articles do not mention it at all.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete not treated as defining in pracgtice. -
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Category:Shinto shrines by faith
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Nominator's rationale:rename, this does not seem to concern different denominations in Shintoism, the subcategories are based on deities. Sort of
WP:C2C per parent
Category:Temples by deity.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 12:50, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Marcocapelle i tried to talk about this with WikiProject Japan and they were fairly insistent on the word Faith (信仰, shinkō), while i thought the word cult was better
not all of these shrines have a well defined deity associated with them,
Category:Gokoku shrines is linked to a variety of deceased soldiers and
Category:Gion shrines claim to be Susanoo shrines but their practices derive from a long history very different from conventional Susanoo shrines
Immanuelle ❤️💚💙
(talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 15:35, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Immanuelle: wasn't the issue maybe more that the word "cult" has a negative connotation? Good point that
Category:Gokoku shrines does not belong in this category, I will move it to the parent.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 15:43, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
I do think Gokoku shrines belongs in this category because it is a specific kind of worship being done at the shrine. It has the same kind of tradition as say Inari shrines or Gion shrines.
Immanuelle ❤️💚💙
(talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 15:51, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale:delete, not a defining characteristic of the articles in the category.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 12:35, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Looking over the shrines I think I agree with them. Most of them are no different than any other shrines dedicated to individuals except that they were created in the period of the
Japanese Empire. The only one where the name actually makes sense is
Draft:Hiko Shrine which is a draft, as it's dedicated to all people who die in aviation accidents.
Although some shrines such as Hachiman and Tenjin shrines are harder to categorize in this as they are deified people who people often worship without knowledge of the historical individuals.
Immanuelle ❤️💚💙
(talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 16:09, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Ok, let's rename and reorganize it as you propose.
Marcocapelle (
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Category:Tenjin faith
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Nominator's rationale:rename per main article
Tenjin (kami). Possibly add "worship" per section title "worship". Faith seems wrong, it does not apparently concern a separate faith within Shintoism.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 12:28, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
I agree Faith (信仰, shinkō) is what WikiProject Japan uses and i think it’s awkward. My preferred translation is cult. Changing this would involve a lot of changes across Wikipedia relating to how we translate shinko.
Immanuelle ❤️💚💙
(talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 15:38, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Rename to Category:Tenjin (kami) to match parent article --
Lenticel(
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Category:Rāgarāja
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Nominator's rationale:delete,
Rāgarāja is a Japanese deity, but it is not a defining characteristic of the other articles in the category.
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Category:Churches by Patron Saint
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Nominator's rationale:delete per
WP:SHAREDNAME, these churches don't have anything in common of encyclopedic value. We already have disambiguation pages, e.g.
Saint George's Church. If kept, at least rename to "patron saint" without capitals.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 11:48, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
They aren’t just the names. They are talking about whether the churches have icons or ties to the cults of those saints. Considering many people will go on specific pilgrimages for things like that i think it’s worth it. I do believe though that there has to be some kind of tie other than the name. That’s why i didn’t add all the Saint George churches to the category. Catholicism tends to get rather performative with its Saint cults at times.
Immanuelle ❤️💚💙
(talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 15:46, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Sure, there's maybe a representation of the saint in stained glass, but that just raises
WP:OCASSOC. -
RevelationDirect (
talk) 01:25, 7 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Possibly listify before Delete -- a clear
WP:SHAREDNAME case. The focus of worship in any church is God, not the patron saint.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:31, 7 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete: I agree with the nominator that this is best covered by disambiguation pages.
Furius (
talk) 00:07, 16 May 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Montreal Royales players
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Nominator's rationale: Should be deleted per
WP:SMALLCAT. It has one member and no likelihood of growth. The
Montreal Royales were a failed independent baseball team which only played half of a season in 2003 and
Garvin Alston, the only member of the category, is their only player who was notable enough to warrant an article.
Dennis C. Abrams (
talk) 00:22, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete The two sentences in the
Garvin Alston article make it clear this wasn't defining, and that's the only article. -
RevelationDirect (
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Category:Toronto Maple Leafs (International League) players
Category:Buried in the Israeli Cemetery of Butantã
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Nominator's rationale: Badly named
WP:SMALLCAT for just one event. Obviously we can do "Burials at [Cemetery]" categories for large and notable cemeteries that have a lot of notable people buried there -- but firstly, every cemetery on earth does not automatically get one of these the moment there's one murder case whose otherwise non-notable victim happens to be buried there, and secondly, even if there were grounds to keep this it would have to be renamed "Burials at", not "Buried in".
Bearcat (
talk) 00:08, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete - there is no article
Israeli Cemetery of Butantã and neither is there a mention of Butantã in the relevant article (which is not a person anyway).
Oculi (
talk) 09:55, 6 May 2023 (UTC)reply
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