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Nominator's rationale:merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory with a Finnish Sámi family.
Marcocapelle (
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Oppose: Category:Finnish Sámi people is not the only category above this category since the Skolts live in 3 different countries. Also there's two subcategories now. -
Yupik (
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The other category is about a Finnish Sámi family too, so there is nothing wrong with the target.
Marcocapelle (
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You are trying to flatten a category that does not solely belong to the category you are trying to flatten it into. It would be as incorrect as trying to flatten Category:Skolts into Category:Finnish people. -
Yupik (
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And as I said on the deletion discussion for one of the families in this category, there will be more coming towards the end of the year. It's final exam time right now, so I don't have time to start writing the rest of the articles that are on my to do list or to translate the ones that exist on other language versions. -
Yupik (
talk) 09:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC)reply
The only issue is that after merger the subcats are correctly categorized.
Category:Finnish Sámi people is a correct parent category of both.
Marcocapelle (
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Once again, it isn't. There is no 1-to-1 correspondence for Skolt families and Finnish Sámi people. Not really sure how to get you to understand this. -
Yupik (
talk) 17:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Here, let me try once again:
Finnish Sámi people could be Skolts, Northern Sámi, or Inari Sámi. Historically, they could also be from other Sámi groups that no longer exist.
Skolts could be from Norway, Russia, or Finland.
Merging Skolt families into Finnish Sámi people is just incorrect. Putting Finnish Sámi people as a category on the individual articles, however, would be correct. -
Yupik (
talk) 17:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Merge Per Nom to
Category:Finnish Sámi people. If other Skolt families categories are created later from other countries, they can be placed in the correct nation too. -
RevelationDirect (
talk) 03:44, 10 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Please do not merge it; delete it if it need to be gotten rid of. It has the potential to screw up thing on other Wikimedia sites and as I have stated, is just plain inaccurate and incorrect. -
Yupik (
talk) 09:57, 10 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Nothing gets screwed up, the only thing that happens is that these two Finnish Sámi families are moved to the Finnish Sámi category and then
Category:Skolt families is deleted. You seem to misapprehend the technicality of a category merge.
Marcocapelle (
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Thank you, but I do know what the knock-on effects of merging stuff in enwp does on other Wikimedia projects since I end up having to clean them up elsewhere. -
Yupik (
talk) 19:53, 10 December 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Yupik: Could you explain the knock-on effects you're describing? (Other language Wikipedias don't need to follow the same categorization structure as enwp.)
RevelationDirect (
talk) 00:13, 11 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I have manually added both families to
Category:Finnish Sámi people, this can happen irrespective of the nomination. Now the nominated category can simply be deleted.
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Nominator's rationale:merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory.
Marcocapelle (
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Please do not merge it; delete it if it need to be gotten rid of. -
Yupik (
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The consequence of a merge is that
Category:Sámi pagans stays in the tree of
Category:Sámi people - as it should. Deletion would remove it from the tree, which is definitely wrong. As above, you seem to misapprehend the technicality of a category merge.
Marcocapelle (
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Merge With no objection to recreation if subcategories about non-Pagans ever appear. -
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Nominator's rationale: This should be moved for consistency with the corresponding article which is titled LUT University.
Dennis C. Abrams (
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Rename Leaving Redirect since reliable sources will continue to use the old name for individuals. -
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Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. I don't think that the intersection between being an explorer and being assassinated in defining.
Mason (
talk) 14:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment: Isn't there precedenct practice of limiting assassinated people categories to those who were killed due to their jobs or positions, so if the intersection is non-defining the upmerge should be to "murdered people"? That said, being killed by angry locals does seem like a significant occupational hazard for explorers, so I would think it's a defining intersection, though "assassinated" might not be the right word.
James Cook is a prominent example that quickly comes to mind, and there are probably many others that could populate the category were it renamed to cover their case. --
Paul_012 (
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FYI, @
AHI-3000: emptied the category out of process
[1], e.g.,
[2]Mason (
talk) 23:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
@
AHI-3000: if you do this, you should at least be transparent about it by adding a comment in this discussion, and you should always leave a proper edit summary when editing an article.
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now as this category only contains one child category, which is unhelpful for navigation
Mason (
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I have now either populated the other national categories of men by occupation so that they have more than one subcat, or redirected them to the "Fooian men" parent as housekeeping (
WP:G6) per precedent. –
FayenaticLondon 16:42, 11 December 2023 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: With only the main article and a load of redirects, do we really need this? --
woodensuperman 13:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete, redundant category layer. The main article has been categorized sufficiently.
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The result of the discussion was:rename as per previous closure. The issue appears to have been resolved.
(non-admin closure)Qwerfjkltalk 16:42, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Support Per nom, though I've half a mind that it could be upmerged further. Is being more specific than familicide really necessary?
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 23:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: this was originally closed as rename to
Category:Films about siblicide, but was brought to
DRV. I have reopened the discussion on the grounds that new information has come to light. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlastertalk 12:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment: The concern raised at DRV by
User:Naraht was "Large majority of pages in category are about deaths of fraternity brothers and sorority sisters. If changed to siblicide these would need to be removed." (Noting for context and convenience.) --
Paul_012 (
talk) 15:54, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment: My apologies for bringing this up at DRV, I didn't realize there was a more appropriate area. The primary issue here is that fratricide (and to some extent sororicide) are used more generally, in the context of both killing a person who is like a brother such as a fellow soldier in a military unit as well as apparently most of the entries in this category, which not only includes films with the situation where one fraternity brother kills another, but also where (for example) a maniac (non-fraternity member)kills all significant members of a fraternity that had assaulted his sister. Siblicide while on the surface is simply a rollup of the two, in practice would not include fraternities and sororities. I'm looking for solutions rather than being completely opposed to the merge (or even upmerge).
Naraht (
talk) 16:18, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Naraht: can you give some examples of articles in this category which are not about siblicide?
Marcocapelle (
talk) 21:18, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
MarcocapelleThe House on Sorority Row is a typical example. All of the people killed are connected in belonging to a sorority, but the killer is not a member of the sorority. So it doesn't belong in Siblicide at all. Whether it belongs in a group about fratricide and sororicide is another question. But Category renames shouldn't remove large numbers of articles from the category, in general.
Naraht (
talk) 16:54, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Marcocapelle away from my desktop right now. Expect to a deep-dish with in 24 hours. However as a beginning, more than half the articles in the category appear to have the word sorority in them. While this not proof, it is a start.
Naraht (
talk) 16:35, 10 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Endorse earlier closure to rename, unless
User:Naraht provides real evidence that it concerns "large numbers of articles".
Marcocapelle (
talk) 15:29, 10 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Marcocapelle If Silblicide doesn't include Fraternity and Sorority Horror films then I'm fine with the change. (Basically
Scream 2 is Fraternity & Sorority horror films and
Scream 3 is a biological sibling. Not sure if renaming it and getting rid of more than half the articles is what is intended, but it is *a* solution. Let me know what I can do to indicate I don't have any objections.
Naraht (
talk) 18:59, 12 December 2023 (UTC)reply
It is fine that Scream 3 is not in Fraternity and sorority films. Each of the Scream films went with a very different setup.
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Nominator's rationale: Currently only contains one subcat about fiction. –
FayenaticLondon 12:31, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Merge The fiction cat doesn't strongly belong here and we don't seem to have anything else. Although I'd be happy to see this category stay or return if we had content to populate it.
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Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now, only one occupation in here. it doesn't help navigation
Mason (
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Support, better merge the subcategory too for the same reason.
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Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now, only one occupation in here. it doesn't help navigation
Mason (
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Merge per nom. I added monarchs as a subcategory, but that does not change the situation very much.
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Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now, only one occupation in here. it doesn't help navigation
Mason (
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Merge per nom. It is a pretty surprising subcategory, by the way, not exactly an occupation.
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Merge Per
WP:NARROWCAT. X meets Y categories for every little thing hinder navigation more than assist it.
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Nominator's rationale:merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory with a Finnish Sámi family.
Marcocapelle (
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Oppose: Category:Finnish Sámi people is not the only category above this category since the Skolts live in 3 different countries. Also there's two subcategories now. -
Yupik (
talk) 22:30, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
The other category is about a Finnish Sámi family too, so there is nothing wrong with the target.
Marcocapelle (
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You are trying to flatten a category that does not solely belong to the category you are trying to flatten it into. It would be as incorrect as trying to flatten Category:Skolts into Category:Finnish people. -
Yupik (
talk) 09:16, 7 December 2023 (UTC)reply
And as I said on the deletion discussion for one of the families in this category, there will be more coming towards the end of the year. It's final exam time right now, so I don't have time to start writing the rest of the articles that are on my to do list or to translate the ones that exist on other language versions. -
Yupik (
talk) 09:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC)reply
The only issue is that after merger the subcats are correctly categorized.
Category:Finnish Sámi people is a correct parent category of both.
Marcocapelle (
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Once again, it isn't. There is no 1-to-1 correspondence for Skolt families and Finnish Sámi people. Not really sure how to get you to understand this. -
Yupik (
talk) 17:18, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Here, let me try once again:
Finnish Sámi people could be Skolts, Northern Sámi, or Inari Sámi. Historically, they could also be from other Sámi groups that no longer exist.
Skolts could be from Norway, Russia, or Finland.
Merging Skolt families into Finnish Sámi people is just incorrect. Putting Finnish Sámi people as a category on the individual articles, however, would be correct. -
Yupik (
talk) 17:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Merge Per Nom to
Category:Finnish Sámi people. If other Skolt families categories are created later from other countries, they can be placed in the correct nation too. -
RevelationDirect (
talk) 03:44, 10 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Please do not merge it; delete it if it need to be gotten rid of. It has the potential to screw up thing on other Wikimedia sites and as I have stated, is just plain inaccurate and incorrect. -
Yupik (
talk) 09:57, 10 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Nothing gets screwed up, the only thing that happens is that these two Finnish Sámi families are moved to the Finnish Sámi category and then
Category:Skolt families is deleted. You seem to misapprehend the technicality of a category merge.
Marcocapelle (
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Thank you, but I do know what the knock-on effects of merging stuff in enwp does on other Wikimedia projects since I end up having to clean them up elsewhere. -
Yupik (
talk) 19:53, 10 December 2023 (UTC)reply
@
Yupik: Could you explain the knock-on effects you're describing? (Other language Wikipedias don't need to follow the same categorization structure as enwp.)
RevelationDirect (
talk) 00:13, 11 December 2023 (UTC)reply
I have manually added both families to
Category:Finnish Sámi people, this can happen irrespective of the nomination. Now the nominated category can simply be deleted.
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Nominator's rationale:merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory.
Marcocapelle (
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Please do not merge it; delete it if it need to be gotten rid of. -
Yupik (
talk) 09:58, 10 December 2023 (UTC)reply
The consequence of a merge is that
Category:Sámi pagans stays in the tree of
Category:Sámi people - as it should. Deletion would remove it from the tree, which is definitely wrong. As above, you seem to misapprehend the technicality of a category merge.
Marcocapelle (
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Merge With no objection to recreation if subcategories about non-Pagans ever appear. -
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Category:Lappeenranta University of Technology alumni
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Nominator's rationale: This should be moved for consistency with the corresponding article which is titled LUT University.
Dennis C. Abrams (
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Rename Leaving Redirect since reliable sources will continue to use the old name for individuals. -
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Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. I don't think that the intersection between being an explorer and being assassinated in defining.
Mason (
talk) 14:17, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment: Isn't there precedenct practice of limiting assassinated people categories to those who were killed due to their jobs or positions, so if the intersection is non-defining the upmerge should be to "murdered people"? That said, being killed by angry locals does seem like a significant occupational hazard for explorers, so I would think it's a defining intersection, though "assassinated" might not be the right word.
James Cook is a prominent example that quickly comes to mind, and there are probably many others that could populate the category were it renamed to cover their case. --
Paul_012 (
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FYI, @
AHI-3000: emptied the category out of process
[1], e.g.,
[2]Mason (
talk) 23:35, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
@
AHI-3000: if you do this, you should at least be transparent about it by adding a comment in this discussion, and you should always leave a proper edit summary when editing an article.
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Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now as this category only contains one child category, which is unhelpful for navigation
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I have now either populated the other national categories of men by occupation so that they have more than one subcat, or redirected them to the "Fooian men" parent as housekeeping (
WP:G6) per precedent. –
FayenaticLondon 16:42, 11 December 2023 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: With only the main article and a load of redirects, do we really need this? --
woodensuperman 13:39, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Delete, redundant category layer. The main article has been categorized sufficiently.
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The result of the discussion was:rename as per previous closure. The issue appears to have been resolved.
(non-admin closure)Qwerfjkltalk 16:42, 20 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Support Per nom, though I've half a mind that it could be upmerged further. Is being more specific than familicide really necessary?
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 23:03, 27 November 2023 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: this was originally closed as rename to
Category:Films about siblicide, but was brought to
DRV. I have reopened the discussion on the grounds that new information has come to light. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlastertalk 12:41, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment: The concern raised at DRV by
User:Naraht was "Large majority of pages in category are about deaths of fraternity brothers and sorority sisters. If changed to siblicide these would need to be removed." (Noting for context and convenience.) --
Paul_012 (
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Comment: My apologies for bringing this up at DRV, I didn't realize there was a more appropriate area. The primary issue here is that fratricide (and to some extent sororicide) are used more generally, in the context of both killing a person who is like a brother such as a fellow soldier in a military unit as well as apparently most of the entries in this category, which not only includes films with the situation where one fraternity brother kills another, but also where (for example) a maniac (non-fraternity member)kills all significant members of a fraternity that had assaulted his sister. Siblicide while on the surface is simply a rollup of the two, in practice would not include fraternities and sororities. I'm looking for solutions rather than being completely opposed to the merge (or even upmerge).
Naraht (
talk) 16:18, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
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Naraht: can you give some examples of articles in this category which are not about siblicide?
Marcocapelle (
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MarcocapelleThe House on Sorority Row is a typical example. All of the people killed are connected in belonging to a sorority, but the killer is not a member of the sorority. So it doesn't belong in Siblicide at all. Whether it belongs in a group about fratricide and sororicide is another question. But Category renames shouldn't remove large numbers of articles from the category, in general.
Naraht (
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Marcocapelle away from my desktop right now. Expect to a deep-dish with in 24 hours. However as a beginning, more than half the articles in the category appear to have the word sorority in them. While this not proof, it is a start.
Naraht (
talk) 16:35, 10 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Endorse earlier closure to rename, unless
User:Naraht provides real evidence that it concerns "large numbers of articles".
Marcocapelle (
talk) 15:29, 10 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Marcocapelle If Silblicide doesn't include Fraternity and Sorority Horror films then I'm fine with the change. (Basically
Scream 2 is Fraternity & Sorority horror films and
Scream 3 is a biological sibling. Not sure if renaming it and getting rid of more than half the articles is what is intended, but it is *a* solution. Let me know what I can do to indicate I don't have any objections.
Naraht (
talk) 18:59, 12 December 2023 (UTC)reply
It is fine that Scream 3 is not in Fraternity and sorority films. Each of the Scream films went with a very different setup.
Naraht (
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Category:History of holography
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Nominator's rationale: Currently only contains one subcat about fiction. –
FayenaticLondon 12:31, 6 December 2023 (UTC)reply
Merge The fiction cat doesn't strongly belong here and we don't seem to have anything else. Although I'd be happy to see this category stay or return if we had content to populate it.
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Category:1st-century Irish people by occupation
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Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now, only one occupation in here. it doesn't help navigation
Mason (
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Support, better merge the subcategory too for the same reason.
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Category:10th-century Scottish people by occupation
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Category:11th-century Scottish people by occupation
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Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now, only one occupation in here. it doesn't help navigation
Mason (
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Merge per nom. I added monarchs as a subcategory, but that does not change the situation very much.
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Category:13th-century Danish people by occupation
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Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now, only one occupation in here. it doesn't help navigation
Mason (
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Merge per nom. It is a pretty surprising subcategory, by the way, not exactly an occupation.
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Category:LGBT people by sexual orientation and nationality
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Merge Per
WP:NARROWCAT. X meets Y categories for every little thing hinder navigation more than assist it.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
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