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I am open to Marcocapelle's suggestion but it should not include arenas which have temporarily been used primarily for professional wrestling such as suggested by LM2000.--
User:Namiba14:23, 9 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete all per nom. Any indoor arena can host wrestling, and we have category:Indoor arenas to group them together. --
Just N. (
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14:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete All These were all general purpose facilities which hosted many events, including Wrestling. Short periods during a pandemic when other events were cancelled, also seems non-defining. -
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Category:Lithuania at EuroBasket
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. These categories contains only the eponymously named article and 3/4 articles about rounds in which the team played. They are the only categories of their kind and the main articles are already in the appropriate subcategories.
User:Namiba21:04, 8 July 2021 (UTC)reply
The articles about the topic, e.g.
Lithuania at EuroBasket 2011, are already in that subcategory. The remain articles are about individual rounds in which the team played and should not be merged. This is why I advocated for deletion.--
User:Namiba14:21, 9 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Venues by event
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:OCVENUE, "There is no encyclopedic value in categorizing locations by the events or event types that have been held there, such as arenas that have hosted specific sports events..."
User:Namiba20:54, 8 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete all - the suggested merges are still "categorizing locations by the events or event types that have been held there" but in a less satisfactory manner.
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09:33, 9 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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Centuries in Naples
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Nominator's rationale: merge, this early in history it is a redundant category layer, each of these categories contains only one subcategory.
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Category:Carniolan scientists
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Oppose upper idea of merging. Austro-Hungary was a big country/monarchy with many nations living on area that was known as Austro-Hungary. And thus term Austro-Hungarian is not really a nationality, it is like calling people from USSR Soviets or people from Yugoslavia Yugoslovans. --
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09:46, 12 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose merging. The category 'Carniolan scientists' should be an umbrella category containing only subcategories and not individual articles. The category 'Carniolan mineralogists' is expandable and the criterion is nationality rather than ethnicity. --
TadejMmy talk17:51, 8 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Carniolan was not a nationality. These categories are too small to preserve - and the articles will also need to be put into appropriate Austro-Hungarian, Yugoslav or Slovenian categories.
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22:51, 8 July 2021 (UTC)reply
The Carniolan identity was quite strong (although Carniolans were partly German and partly Slovene by ethnicity), and there is considerable discussion of Carniola in reliable sources, so I don't see it only as a de iure administrative division, but as an important historical and cultural entity. For this reason I oppose merging these categories in 'Austro-Hungarian scientists'. It would lead to a loss of a defining and distinguishing characteristic for all these people: their regional identity. --
TadejMmy talk17:59, 9 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Johann von Valvasor (Janez Vajkard Valvasor in Slovene) wrote a book about Carniola (The Glory of the Duchy of Carniola) and even today the book stands as one of biggest works of that era. So I oppose, as per TadejM.--
A09090091 (
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09:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Not exactly; more like nation. The Germans and the Slovenes would be ethnicities. "An ethnic group or ethnicity is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups such as a common set of traditions, ancestry, language, history, society, culture, nation, religion or social treatment within their residing area." --
TadejMmy talk15:53, 16 July 2021 (UTC)reply
People associated with these areas would qualify as both Austro-Hungarian and Carniolian (or Slovenian) though, I therefore see no objection not to add
Category:Carniolan scientists (or any other Carniolian category) to both Slovenian and Austro-Hungarian parents.
Place Clichy (
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00:42, 17 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom, per
WP:SMALLCAT. While objectors have argued that Carniolian should be retained as a specific ethnicity/nationality, this identity is retained by the merger to
Category:Carniolan scientists. However, no reason was really given to keep small subcategories for every scientific specialty.
Place Clichy (
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00:42, 17 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the support regarding 'Carniolan'. The reason I have provided for retaining this specific subcategory is that the category 'Carniolan mineralogists' is expandable. There were several Carniolan mineralogists (e.g.
Žiga Zois,
Valentin Vodnik,
Valentin Tratnik, etc.). Mineralogy was a major scientific discipline at the time and many scholars were interested in it. The category provides for unambiguous overview of Carniolan mineralogists among e.g. Slovenian or Austrian mineralogists, which is important since Carniola was a major administrative and cultural unit. In addition, if you take a look at
Category:Mineralogists by nationality, you will see it is not the sole such category currently containing only one article so it makes no sense to make it an exception. If it is considered that none of these categories should contain less than a certain number of articles, all those that do not meet the criterion should be nominated. --
TadejMmy talk11:10, 20 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose No evidence has been given showing that A-this is not likely to grow B-that there has been an exhausive search to ensure we do not currently have any other articles that belong in this category that are not currently placed in it. 3-by nationality is a widely accepted exception to the small cat rules when the overall category has lots of components.
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15:07, 29 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Poachers
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Merge/Delete as nominated. I also wonder if the parent category should also be renamed to be limited convictions, but that beyond this nom. -
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15:17, 1 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Black Panther (Marvel Comics)
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However, if the categories are based on the comic book title then these become much clearer. There could also be a category for images related to the comics, but there could be a category for images of a character (if needed).
The only reason I haven't nominated something like this is that I just don't know what the correct title the system should use, as each comic book related to a subject had usually more than one title. Should we just use the publisher for comic book categories (so always "Marvel Comics", "DC Comics", etc.)?
Gonnym (
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09:41, 10 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose The name of the category implies the content would be related to the character, which not all the articles within it and the other subcats are. Also, the subcats have not been tagged. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me16:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose The name of the category implies the content would be related to the character, which not all the articles within it and the other subcats are. --
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I am open to Marcocapelle's suggestion but it should not include arenas which have temporarily been used primarily for professional wrestling such as suggested by LM2000.--
User:Namiba14:23, 9 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete all per nom. Any indoor arena can host wrestling, and we have category:Indoor arenas to group them together. --
Just N. (
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14:04, 15 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete All These were all general purpose facilities which hosted many events, including Wrestling. Short periods during a pandemic when other events were cancelled, also seems non-defining. -
RevelationDirect (
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00:12, 17 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Lithuania at EuroBasket
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. These categories contains only the eponymously named article and 3/4 articles about rounds in which the team played. They are the only categories of their kind and the main articles are already in the appropriate subcategories.
User:Namiba21:04, 8 July 2021 (UTC)reply
The articles about the topic, e.g.
Lithuania at EuroBasket 2011, are already in that subcategory. The remain articles are about individual rounds in which the team played and should not be merged. This is why I advocated for deletion.--
User:Namiba14:21, 9 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Venues by event
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:OCVENUE, "There is no encyclopedic value in categorizing locations by the events or event types that have been held there, such as arenas that have hosted specific sports events..."
User:Namiba20:54, 8 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete all - the suggested merges are still "categorizing locations by the events or event types that have been held there" but in a less satisfactory manner.
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09:33, 9 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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Centuries in Naples
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17:11, 8 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Carniolan scientists
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Oppose upper idea of merging. Austro-Hungary was a big country/monarchy with many nations living on area that was known as Austro-Hungary. And thus term Austro-Hungarian is not really a nationality, it is like calling people from USSR Soviets or people from Yugoslavia Yugoslovans. --
A09090091 (
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09:46, 12 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose merging. The category 'Carniolan scientists' should be an umbrella category containing only subcategories and not individual articles. The category 'Carniolan mineralogists' is expandable and the criterion is nationality rather than ethnicity. --
TadejMmy talk17:51, 8 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Carniolan was not a nationality. These categories are too small to preserve - and the articles will also need to be put into appropriate Austro-Hungarian, Yugoslav or Slovenian categories.
Rathfelder (
talk)
22:51, 8 July 2021 (UTC)reply
The Carniolan identity was quite strong (although Carniolans were partly German and partly Slovene by ethnicity), and there is considerable discussion of Carniola in reliable sources, so I don't see it only as a de iure administrative division, but as an important historical and cultural entity. For this reason I oppose merging these categories in 'Austro-Hungarian scientists'. It would lead to a loss of a defining and distinguishing characteristic for all these people: their regional identity. --
TadejMmy talk17:59, 9 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Johann von Valvasor (Janez Vajkard Valvasor in Slovene) wrote a book about Carniola (The Glory of the Duchy of Carniola) and even today the book stands as one of biggest works of that era. So I oppose, as per TadejM.--
A09090091 (
talk)
09:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Not exactly; more like nation. The Germans and the Slovenes would be ethnicities. "An ethnic group or ethnicity is a grouping of people who identify with each other on the basis of shared attributes that distinguish them from other groups such as a common set of traditions, ancestry, language, history, society, culture, nation, religion or social treatment within their residing area." --
TadejMmy talk15:53, 16 July 2021 (UTC)reply
People associated with these areas would qualify as both Austro-Hungarian and Carniolian (or Slovenian) though, I therefore see no objection not to add
Category:Carniolan scientists (or any other Carniolian category) to both Slovenian and Austro-Hungarian parents.
Place Clichy (
talk)
00:42, 17 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom, per
WP:SMALLCAT. While objectors have argued that Carniolian should be retained as a specific ethnicity/nationality, this identity is retained by the merger to
Category:Carniolan scientists. However, no reason was really given to keep small subcategories for every scientific specialty.
Place Clichy (
talk)
00:42, 17 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Thank you for the support regarding 'Carniolan'. The reason I have provided for retaining this specific subcategory is that the category 'Carniolan mineralogists' is expandable. There were several Carniolan mineralogists (e.g.
Žiga Zois,
Valentin Vodnik,
Valentin Tratnik, etc.). Mineralogy was a major scientific discipline at the time and many scholars were interested in it. The category provides for unambiguous overview of Carniolan mineralogists among e.g. Slovenian or Austrian mineralogists, which is important since Carniola was a major administrative and cultural unit. In addition, if you take a look at
Category:Mineralogists by nationality, you will see it is not the sole such category currently containing only one article so it makes no sense to make it an exception. If it is considered that none of these categories should contain less than a certain number of articles, all those that do not meet the criterion should be nominated. --
TadejMmy talk11:10, 20 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose No evidence has been given showing that A-this is not likely to grow B-that there has been an exhausive search to ensure we do not currently have any other articles that belong in this category that are not currently placed in it. 3-by nationality is a widely accepted exception to the small cat rules when the overall category has lots of components.
John Pack Lambert (
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15:07, 29 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Poachers
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Merge/Delete as nominated. I also wonder if the parent category should also be renamed to be limited convictions, but that beyond this nom. -
RevelationDirect (
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15:17, 1 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Black Panther (Marvel Comics)
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However, if the categories are based on the comic book title then these become much clearer. There could also be a category for images related to the comics, but there could be a category for images of a character (if needed).
The only reason I haven't nominated something like this is that I just don't know what the correct title the system should use, as each comic book related to a subject had usually more than one title. Should we just use the publisher for comic book categories (so always "Marvel Comics", "DC Comics", etc.)?
Gonnym (
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09:41, 10 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose The name of the category implies the content would be related to the character, which not all the articles within it and the other subcats are. Also, the subcats have not been tagged. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me16:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose The name of the category implies the content would be related to the character, which not all the articles within it and the other subcats are. --
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14:15, 15 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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