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Keep They are not even similar. Aside from providing an intermediate niche for country categories of EU member states (which one can agree or disagree on), the category already features several articles specific to the EU demographics (
1,
2,
3,
4...) including
the eponymous one. Not to say that the category has certainly room for more expansion.--Asqueladd (
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Keep largely per Asqueladd, Europe and the European Union are not exactly correlated, there are many European countries that are not in the Union. Given the issues over immigration and open borders in European Union topics, this is a relevant topic.
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Nominator's rationale: Small category (2 articles) that is unlikely to grow since the position of city manager is not an inherently notable position and Barnstable is a relatively small city (45k residents).
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Nominator's rationale: Only one article
Albrecht family. There could be more Hübsche (genteel) families but it's an intermediate, ill-defined sort of concept and they need not be confined to Hanover.
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Admin comment: This closure was probably too borderline to be a
non-admin closure, but closing this discussion as delete is appropriate on the merits of policy-based consensus. I confirm Danny's assessment of the consensus in this discussion. bibliomaniac1519:49, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The creator of this category is well intentioned but unfortunately I think this type of category inherently does not meet
WP:NONDEF. For instance, the category creator added it to
Michael Davitt, a GA article written by yours truly in which the Humanitarian League is never mentioned. buidhe17:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep This is a defining feature category for notable people associated with the
Humanitarian League. Ernest Bell and Henry Salt for example it was a defining feature of their life. The category is useful to find people heavily involved with the Humanitarian League. There are reliable sources that indicate that Michael Davitt was associated with the Humanitarian League. Davitt was on the committee of the League's criminal law and prisons department which "sought to humanize the conditions of prison life and to affirm that the true purpose of imprisonment was the reformation, not the mere punishment, of the offender." This information is missing from Davitt's article.
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Delete Per
WP:OCASSOC. This is effectively a membership category which is defining if it's certain learned societies but is not defining to an open membership advocacy group like this one. I'm open to categorizing some of these biographies under
Category:Animal rights activists or
Category:Prison reformersif it is defining for specific articles and also open to to a more narrow category for the organizations leadership. While the keep votes above correctly point out that some activists are defined by the association, the question here is whether that is true for this category over all.
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Nominator's rationale: This category for
Seia gens, minor plebeian family of equestrian rank at ancient Rome. The Latin plural for them is Seii.
This is ambiguous with
Seii (Ryukyu), a 14th-century Okinawan King (whose article is have just disambiguated, because I don't see a clear primary topic here).
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Nominator's rationale: As the category says, this category is for original categories to the MCU. "Specific" is pretty vague here.
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Delete another "about" category without any objective statement of how much about same-sexuality the documentary must be, and what reliable sources to tell us it's at least that much.
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Nominator's rationale:rename for clarification and per actual content, all articles are about Christian monastic literature. The parent category contains "Christian" as well, and it would make little sense to have articles about e.g. Buddhist monastic literature added in this same category.
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Nominator's rationale:merge, only one article in this category and this is about a governor-general, so I cannot see a reason to keep category this apart.
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Nominator's rationale: These characters are not the TV series version of the characters but the comics versions. Same goes for all the other recently created MCU TV series character categories.
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I also feel that the categories should list only MCU character articles. So yeah, it seems they can be deleted and the content upmerged. --
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Nominator's rationale: This title is ambiguous. Its main article is the
Pima people of Arizona, but its subcats include
Category Pima people, so we can't use that title. I am not sure what would be a suitable disambiguator: I considered
Pima (tribe), but I believe that there are neutrality issues with the use of the word "tribe". For the ambiguity, see the disambiguation page
Pima, where title is also used for
Pima cotton, the
Pima (moth) genus, several geographical entities in Arizona including
Pima County and the samll town of
Pima, Arizona. --
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Support - I honestly don't remember the reasons why I named this category, but I agree it is too ambiguous. Marcocapelle's proposal sounds good. Thank you!
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Keep They are not even similar. Aside from providing an intermediate niche for country categories of EU member states (which one can agree or disagree on), the category already features several articles specific to the EU demographics (
1,
2,
3,
4...) including
the eponymous one. Not to say that the category has certainly room for more expansion.--Asqueladd (
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20:17, 15 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep largely per Asqueladd, Europe and the European Union are not exactly correlated, there are many European countries that are not in the Union. Given the issues over immigration and open borders in European Union topics, this is a relevant topic.
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Nominator's rationale: Small category (2 articles) that is unlikely to grow since the position of city manager is not an inherently notable position and Barnstable is a relatively small city (45k residents).
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Nominator's rationale: Only one article
Albrecht family. There could be more Hübsche (genteel) families but it's an intermediate, ill-defined sort of concept and they need not be confined to Hanover.
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Admin comment: This closure was probably too borderline to be a
non-admin closure, but closing this discussion as delete is appropriate on the merits of policy-based consensus. I confirm Danny's assessment of the consensus in this discussion. bibliomaniac1519:49, 19 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The creator of this category is well intentioned but unfortunately I think this type of category inherently does not meet
WP:NONDEF. For instance, the category creator added it to
Michael Davitt, a GA article written by yours truly in which the Humanitarian League is never mentioned. buidhe17:43, 28 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep This is a defining feature category for notable people associated with the
Humanitarian League. Ernest Bell and Henry Salt for example it was a defining feature of their life. The category is useful to find people heavily involved with the Humanitarian League. There are reliable sources that indicate that Michael Davitt was associated with the Humanitarian League. Davitt was on the committee of the League's criminal law and prisons department which "sought to humanize the conditions of prison life and to affirm that the true purpose of imprisonment was the reformation, not the mere punishment, of the offender." This information is missing from Davitt's article.
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Delete Per
WP:OCASSOC. This is effectively a membership category which is defining if it's certain learned societies but is not defining to an open membership advocacy group like this one. I'm open to categorizing some of these biographies under
Category:Animal rights activists or
Category:Prison reformersif it is defining for specific articles and also open to to a more narrow category for the organizations leadership. While the keep votes above correctly point out that some activists are defined by the association, the question here is whether that is true for this category over all.
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Nominator's rationale: This category for
Seia gens, minor plebeian family of equestrian rank at ancient Rome. The Latin plural for them is Seii.
This is ambiguous with
Seii (Ryukyu), a 14th-century Okinawan King (whose article is have just disambiguated, because I don't see a clear primary topic here).
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Nominator's rationale: As the category says, this category is for original categories to the MCU. "Specific" is pretty vague here.
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Delete another "about" category without any objective statement of how much about same-sexuality the documentary must be, and what reliable sources to tell us it's at least that much.
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Nominator's rationale:rename for clarification and per actual content, all articles are about Christian monastic literature. The parent category contains "Christian" as well, and it would make little sense to have articles about e.g. Buddhist monastic literature added in this same category.
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Nominator's rationale:merge, only one article in this category and this is about a governor-general, so I cannot see a reason to keep category this apart.
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Category:Iron Fist (TV series) characters
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Nominator's rationale: These characters are not the TV series version of the characters but the comics versions. Same goes for all the other recently created MCU TV series character categories.
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I also feel that the categories should list only MCU character articles. So yeah, it seems they can be deleted and the content upmerged. --
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Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe The Infinity Saga characters
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Category:Belgian mystery television programmes
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Category:Mauritian Reality Shows
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Category:Sakarya
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Nominator's rationale: This title is ambiguous. Its main article is the
Pima people of Arizona, but its subcats include
Category Pima people, so we can't use that title. I am not sure what would be a suitable disambiguator: I considered
Pima (tribe), but I believe that there are neutrality issues with the use of the word "tribe". For the ambiguity, see the disambiguation page
Pima, where title is also used for
Pima cotton, the
Pima (moth) genus, several geographical entities in Arizona including
Pima County and the samll town of
Pima, Arizona. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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01:00, 28 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Support - I honestly don't remember the reasons why I named this category, but I agree it is too ambiguous. Marcocapelle's proposal sounds good. Thank you!
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Category:Modern literature
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