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Nominator's rationale: Since mystery literature virtually always features detectives of either the amateur or professional varieties, and detective literature virtually always involves the protagonist attempting to solve a mystery, I'm struggling to wrap my head around where the meaningful or categorizable distinction would land between a "detective writer" and a "mystery writer". I'm just not seeing a reason why we need two separate trees here.
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22:57, 23 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose - A mystery is not the same thing as a work of detective literature. The claim that "mystery literature virtually always features detectives" is completely false. The ones that feature detectives are detective literature. Mysteries can involve people who are not detectives as well, and simply being involved in a mystery does not make someone a detective. --
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15:05, 24 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose per opposers - "mystery" is not really a term used for fiction in the UK; we have
detective novels etc. Seems American English, and I suspect rather dated AE at that. I think few British English readers would suspect that mystery fiction meant detective stories. There is, rightly, a separate
Detective fiction main article, not to mention sub-genres like
Police procedural. The
mystery fiction article title and scope should probably be looked at - it may be ok for magazine stories from 70+ years ago, which it mostly covers, but I suspect is not the right term for the last 40 years, even in American. Or perhaps the article is ok, but the "mystery" category tree casts its net far wider, & should be massively redistributed - certainly not added to.
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Nominator's rationale: Unclear why we need a category for single article, given its also unlikely that it will ever expand.
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16:47, 23 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: This category functions as a grouping container for its 'contents' rather than a classification mechanism --
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Who else was I supposed to notify? You are the most logical people to ping, having participated in a very similar discussion. I didn't want to only ping some and get accused of meatpuppetry (rightfully so). This is fairly obscure, and would have sat here empty had I not done this. I-82-I|TALK10:33, 23 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Oh, you meant it in that sense. This was a misunderstanding by me then. When you opposed the rename, I thought it was because I incorrectly used the C2D tag incorrectly, not that I had merely not put tags on the categories. Anyway, I guess these categories will just get renamed soon when it gets closed due to the unanimous consensus. I-82-I|TALK19:50, 23 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Just Otus please, none of the other entries in the disambig would make sense as categories. Otus (owl) if you must (all members of Otus are owls), the scientific name is key is taxonomic classification and Wikipedia's categories following taxonomic Class/Order/Family/Genus and are organized the same way as the scientific names.--Eostrix (
🦉hoot hoot🦉)11:44, 24 June 2020 (UTC)reply
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Eostrix: plenty of the other topics listed at
Otus would make viable categories if there is enough coverage of them. The long-standing principle of category names is that they should be no more ambiguous than the equivalent article, so the bare title Otus isn't acceptable. The question is how to disambiguate, and the general principle of
WP:PRECISION is to disambiguate only as far as needed.
Otus (bird) can apply only to the owl, so we don't need greater precision. --
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19:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)reply
It doesn't make WP more readable or less cluttered. The leading article convention is a good convention, also for categories of species.
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Nominator's rationale: Since mystery literature virtually always features detectives of either the amateur or professional varieties, and detective literature virtually always involves the protagonist attempting to solve a mystery, I'm struggling to wrap my head around where the meaningful or categorizable distinction would land between a "detective writer" and a "mystery writer". I'm just not seeing a reason why we need two separate trees here.
Bearcat (
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22:57, 23 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose - A mystery is not the same thing as a work of detective literature. The claim that "mystery literature virtually always features detectives" is completely false. The ones that feature detectives are detective literature. Mysteries can involve people who are not detectives as well, and simply being involved in a mystery does not make someone a detective. --
Nicholas0 (
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15:05, 24 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose per opposers - "mystery" is not really a term used for fiction in the UK; we have
detective novels etc. Seems American English, and I suspect rather dated AE at that. I think few British English readers would suspect that mystery fiction meant detective stories. There is, rightly, a separate
Detective fiction main article, not to mention sub-genres like
Police procedural. The
mystery fiction article title and scope should probably be looked at - it may be ok for magazine stories from 70+ years ago, which it mostly covers, but I suspect is not the right term for the last 40 years, even in American. Or perhaps the article is ok, but the "mystery" category tree casts its net far wider, & should be massively redistributed - certainly not added to.
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20:27, 24 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: Unclear why we need a category for single article, given its also unlikely that it will ever expand.
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16:47, 23 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Who else was I supposed to notify? You are the most logical people to ping, having participated in a very similar discussion. I didn't want to only ping some and get accused of meatpuppetry (rightfully so). This is fairly obscure, and would have sat here empty had I not done this. I-82-I|TALK10:33, 23 July 2020 (UTC)reply
Oh, you meant it in that sense. This was a misunderstanding by me then. When you opposed the rename, I thought it was because I incorrectly used the C2D tag incorrectly, not that I had merely not put tags on the categories. Anyway, I guess these categories will just get renamed soon when it gets closed due to the unanimous consensus. I-82-I|TALK19:50, 23 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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Just Otus please, none of the other entries in the disambig would make sense as categories. Otus (owl) if you must (all members of Otus are owls), the scientific name is key is taxonomic classification and Wikipedia's categories following taxonomic Class/Order/Family/Genus and are organized the same way as the scientific names.--Eostrix (
🦉hoot hoot🦉)11:44, 24 June 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Eostrix: plenty of the other topics listed at
Otus would make viable categories if there is enough coverage of them. The long-standing principle of category names is that they should be no more ambiguous than the equivalent article, so the bare title Otus isn't acceptable. The question is how to disambiguate, and the general principle of
WP:PRECISION is to disambiguate only as far as needed.
Otus (bird) can apply only to the owl, so we don't need greater precision. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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19:37, 24 June 2020 (UTC)reply
It doesn't make WP more readable or less cluttered. The leading article convention is a good convention, also for categories of species.
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08:29, 11 July 2020 (UTC)reply
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