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Nominator's rationale: I don't have any strong views on what this should be called, it's intended as a daughter of
Category:British ecclesiastical architects but we don't have a category for the
Liturgical Movement, the closest we have is
Category:Liturgists. Obviously we never abbreviate "UK" in categories, so it could be "British architects of the Liturgical Movement" but beyond that I'm open to views? But we don't need the "British" or "UK" in there at all given that there's no "global" parent category.
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Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable
WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. There may have been many years between the occupation and the suicide, making the link even weaker.
Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children. See previous:
Most of them should be deleted, but at least for american football players and wrestlers, there should be further consideration, as these two sports have a correlation with higher suicide risk.--
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It is not good practice to take lack of an existing article as proof there is no interest. This is a conservative interpretation of how Wikipedia is built. Often important and useful articles have not been written yet simply because people haven't thought of it yet, or haven't had the time. For example, for years and years Wikipedia had no article on the
100 metres at the Olympics, yet we all understand that is a notable topic and it now gets hundreds of views a day.
SFB01:43, 29 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Listify This is perfectly useful material for a list, thus listify is the superior option for this than delete. There are not too many entries here so
List of sportspeople who committed suicide seems like a valid target list to create as a result of this. Suicides of sportspeople is a noted phenomenon and these is much literature on the subject, both lay and scientific (
example). To say the intersection of sport and suicide is trivial is to say that you have not done basic research to ascertain if there is a link.
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Merge for Now These locations would typically have had more than 5 mayors but most would be non-notable. No objection to recreating any if they ever get to 5+ article. -
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Nominator's rationale: merge, largely overlapping scope. A manual merge is needed because the articles in the Protestant congregations categories may already be in a denominational subcat of churches.
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Nominator's rationale: in contrast to the four sibling categories nominated above, this category mostly concerns Catholic churches converted to Lutheranism, or Protestantism in general, for which we already have appropriate categories. But there also are a few entirely new Protestant churches (for which we already have a category as well), e.g.
Haberberg Church. These are very different situations and it does not make sense to lump them together in one category.
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Oppose -- I do not think this works. The congregation will not have changed (save its denomination) at the reformation. We have churches built in (say) 1330; reformed in (say) 1525; rebuilt in (say) 1710. Save in cases where the Catholic church was monastic (which adds more issues), the church community worshipping in the church will have had a continuous existence since 1330, though only protestant since 1525, and in a building built in 1710. Where a new church was established for the first time - many churches in America and dissenting churches in England, the community and the building are of much the same date. However in some cases history is rather more complicated.
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Support — well done! This will mark the change in denomination, very notable. We already have "yyyy constructed" categories for buildings, that handle every "rebuilt" objection. When I was visiting distant relatives in Scotland, it was a matter of pride that they'd actually taken down a church building, numbered stone by stone, and rebuilt it in a row with other churches. It was also a matter of pride that they are all buried together in a cemetary near Macduff's tower from Shakespeare. Fought centuries of religious wars to arrive at a state of grace. Let's not perpetuate that here. William Allen Simpson (
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22:56, 27 December 2020 (UTC)reply
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Keep separate - This is an award specific to Poland for those in a specific historical event. In Poland, this is defining and not all combatants have received this award. (It also complements existing, matching categories for recipients of this award in the Korean, Polish, Russian, Taraškievica, and Ukrainian-language Wikis).
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The stated purpose of the award was for all those who "took an active part" which is a campaign medal and, in practice, it appears to have been broadly issued amongst the small subset of combatants who lived into the 1980s and 1990s, with some posthumous exceptions. -
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Merge per nom. There is nothing about the award that makes it more restrictive than all participants still alive, which is not enough for us to want to categorize seperately on.
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Category:Architects of the Liturgical Movement in the UK
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Nominator's rationale: I don't have any strong views on what this should be called, it's intended as a daughter of
Category:British ecclesiastical architects but we don't have a category for the
Liturgical Movement, the closest we have is
Category:Liturgists. Obviously we never abbreviate "UK" in categories, so it could be "British architects of the Liturgical Movement" but beyond that I'm open to views? But we don't need the "British" or "UK" in there at all given that there's no "global" parent category.
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Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable
WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death. There may have been many years between the occupation and the suicide, making the link even weaker.
Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children. See previous:
Most of them should be deleted, but at least for american football players and wrestlers, there should be further consideration, as these two sports have a correlation with higher suicide risk.--
JTCEPB (
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03:18, 28 December 2020 (UTC)reply
It is not good practice to take lack of an existing article as proof there is no interest. This is a conservative interpretation of how Wikipedia is built. Often important and useful articles have not been written yet simply because people haven't thought of it yet, or haven't had the time. For example, for years and years Wikipedia had no article on the
100 metres at the Olympics, yet we all understand that is a notable topic and it now gets hundreds of views a day.
SFB01:43, 29 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Listify This is perfectly useful material for a list, thus listify is the superior option for this than delete. There are not too many entries here so
List of sportspeople who committed suicide seems like a valid target list to create as a result of this. Suicides of sportspeople is a noted phenomenon and these is much literature on the subject, both lay and scientific (
example). To say the intersection of sport and suicide is trivial is to say that you have not done basic research to ascertain if there is a link.
SFB01:38, 29 December 2020 (UTC)reply
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Merge for Now These locations would typically have had more than 5 mayors but most would be non-notable. No objection to recreating any if they ever get to 5+ article. -
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Nominator's rationale: merge, largely overlapping scope. A manual merge is needed because the articles in the Protestant congregations categories may already be in a denominational subcat of churches.
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Nominator's rationale: in contrast to the four sibling categories nominated above, this category mostly concerns Catholic churches converted to Lutheranism, or Protestantism in general, for which we already have appropriate categories. But there also are a few entirely new Protestant churches (for which we already have a category as well), e.g.
Haberberg Church. These are very different situations and it does not make sense to lump them together in one category.
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Oppose -- I do not think this works. The congregation will not have changed (save its denomination) at the reformation. We have churches built in (say) 1330; reformed in (say) 1525; rebuilt in (say) 1710. Save in cases where the Catholic church was monastic (which adds more issues), the church community worshipping in the church will have had a continuous existence since 1330, though only protestant since 1525, and in a building built in 1710. Where a new church was established for the first time - many churches in America and dissenting churches in England, the community and the building are of much the same date. However in some cases history is rather more complicated.
Peterkingiron (
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18:23, 27 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Support — well done! This will mark the change in denomination, very notable. We already have "yyyy constructed" categories for buildings, that handle every "rebuilt" objection. When I was visiting distant relatives in Scotland, it was a matter of pride that they'd actually taken down a church building, numbered stone by stone, and rebuilt it in a row with other churches. It was also a matter of pride that they are all buried together in a cemetary near Macduff's tower from Shakespeare. Fought centuries of religious wars to arrive at a state of grace. Let's not perpetuate that here. William Allen Simpson (
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22:56, 27 December 2020 (UTC)reply
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Keep separate - This is an award specific to Poland for those in a specific historical event. In Poland, this is defining and not all combatants have received this award. (It also complements existing, matching categories for recipients of this award in the Korean, Polish, Russian, Taraškievica, and Ukrainian-language Wikis).
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The stated purpose of the award was for all those who "took an active part" which is a campaign medal and, in practice, it appears to have been broadly issued amongst the small subset of combatants who lived into the 1980s and 1990s, with some posthumous exceptions. -
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11:12, 29 December 2020 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom. There is nothing about the award that makes it more restrictive than all participants still alive, which is not enough for us to want to categorize seperately on.
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19:11, 14 January 2021 (UTC)reply
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