March 4
Category:Album covers by label
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. There's a consensus to delete, but the nomination was a bit pointless because the only content was a subcategory
Category:Mint 400 Records album covers. If the nomination had deleted
Category:Mint 400 Records album covers, then
Category:Album covers by label would have been speedy- deleted as empty ... but now are left with albums still categorised by label.
Pinging the participants @ Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars, NorthPark1417, and Richhoncho: does anyone want to do a followup nomination? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:33, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: I've seen album cover image files categorized by recording artist and visual artist, but as far as I can tell this is the first attempt to categorize such files by record label. Some labels could have thousands of album covers and the relationship of these covers beyond the label is tenuous at best. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 23:37, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I am the creator of the category. I created categories for the artists, leaving the label releases. - NorthPark1417 ( talk) 03:56, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. What a mishmash of nothingness! There are one, possibly two incidences where this has any relevance at all. In which case there should be an article about the importance of those album covers by record company. The relevant category, if any, should then be, lists of album covers by label. Category linkage without explanation on dubious grounds is not helping anybody. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 09:04, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- Question @ Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars and Richhoncho: should the subcategory be nominated as well? Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:54, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Power Architecture
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- The result of the discussion was: moot, but speedy delete as empty.
@ 99Electrons, bringing a category to CFD when you have already emptied it is pointless, because there is nothing left to keep. Much better to leave the category populated, and make a CFD nomination which links to discussion which decided the category was a bad idea. Then the discssion here can decide there is a wider consensus to delete it. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:29, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: A discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing#Power Architecture on Wikipedia regarding the Power Architecture in general, which included this is category, resulted in a consensus that this category provides little benefit to Wikipedia, and that this category should be deleted. This category has been depopulated after a consensus was reached. Disclosure: I initiated the discussion and depopulated the category. 99Electrons ( talk) 23:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Question @ 99Electrons: are the articles still together in some other category, or do you think they do not belong together at all? Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:57, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- None of the articles that were categorized under the Power Architecture category belonged in it because the definition of Power Architecture is marketing nonsense. The discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing#Power Architecture on Wikipedia explains in detail why the term is meaningless, and why its over-enthusiastic use on Wikipedia was not of any benefit. Every article that was in this category was already categorized meaningfully, and if it wasn't, then it was categorized meaningfully when it was removed from this category. 99Electrons ( talk) 22:12, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:James FitzGerald
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure). Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:58, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary parent for a single child category, Category:Works by James FitzGerald, which serves its purpose on its own. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 23:04, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:British honours system
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- The result of the discussion was: keep ( non-admin closure). Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:03, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale:
British honours system redirects to
Orders, decorations, and medals of the United Kingdom. No other equivalent category exists for other countries, as all other equivalent existing "honours system" redirects to "Orders, decorations, and medals of X" per
WP:CONSISTENCY.
PPEMES (
talk) 21:54, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
It is simply untrue to say, "No other equivalent category exists for other countriesIt is not correct that "as all other equivalent existing "honours system" redirects to "Orders, decorations, and medals of X"" Category:Honours systems has about 11 other articles that are not redirects. Johnbod ( talk) 21:21, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- Support Aid navigation and follows the lead of the main article. RevelationDirect ( talk) 02:58, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. The fact that there are no similar categories for other countries probably reflects the sheer scale of the British honours system, and the extent of Wikipedia coverage thereof. Instead of merger, the categories should be cleaned up and more clearly distinguished, with Category:British honours system as a parent of Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of the United Kingdom.
- The Category:British honours system should include topics such as Birthday Honours, Dissolution Honours, Prime Minister's Resignation Honours, New Year Honours, Coronation Honours and controversies about honours. The titles themselves and their recipients should be in the subcat Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of the United Kingdom. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 18:57, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per Bhg & flawed nom - see above. PPEMES, please excercise a minimum of care in noms. Johnbod ( talk) 21:21, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- @
Johnbod: Did the category change since your observation above about there being 11 categories for other countries' Honours? I only found one other category:
Category:New Zealand Royal Honours System (and that is used instead of not in addition to Orders, decorations, and medals).
RevelationDirect (
talk) 00:36, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Ok, I should have said "articles" - but the point is the same. You can't say this is a uniquely UK thing. The nom also seems to mix up categories and articles.
Johnbod (
talk) 01:26, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- I argued in the way
RevelationDirect did. Sorry for any inconvenience.
PPEMES (
talk) 11:59, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Johnbod, Thanks for the clarification. Sounds like a misunderstanding not a deceptive nomination. RevelationDirect ( talk) 23:57, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- I argued in the way
RevelationDirect did. Sorry for any inconvenience.
PPEMES (
talk) 11:59, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Ok, I should have said "articles" - but the point is the same. You can't say this is a uniquely UK thing. The nom also seems to mix up categories and articles.
Johnbod (
talk) 01:26, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- @
Johnbod: Did the category change since your observation above about there being 11 categories for other countries' Honours? I only found one other category:
Category:New Zealand Royal Honours System (and that is used instead of not in addition to Orders, decorations, and medals).
RevelationDirect (
talk) 00:36, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose because peerages and [ordinary] knighthoods (which are granted in honours lists) are not orders, decorations or medals. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:25, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Billy Wilder
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:32, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:James Ivory
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:32, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Ralph Bakshi
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure). Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:03, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON -- wooden superman 12:15, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete No need for another layer of categorization just for Category:Works by Ralph Bakshi. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 04:34, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Mary Cassatt
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure). I have added the biography as the main article in the header of the works category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:59, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON -- wooden superman 12:15, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Move List of works by Mary Cassatt to Category:Paintings by Mary Cassatt and delete this category. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 04:31, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Category:Prints by Mary Cassatt was lacking, now set up. There are very likely to be more articles on these, what with her being a) female, b) American and c) popular. So that (above) doesn't work. Johnbod ( talk)
- All of which can go in
Category:Works by Mary Cassatt. --
wooden
superman 12:11, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- So you've now set up an entirely pointless intermediate-level category, only containing these, the main bio, the list, and the portal which will soon be deleted. Well done! That is the one which should be deleted.
Johnbod (
talk) 14:16, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- On the contrary, the "Works by..." category tree is a much more acceptable tree than these eponymous ones. It is certainly not pointless, as it allows placement of Category:Works by Mary Cassatt in Category:Works by artist. You should have created it when you created Category:Prints by Mary Cassatt. The eponymous category is the pointless one. -- wooden superman 14:34, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- So you've now set up an entirely pointless intermediate-level category, only containing these, the main bio, the list, and the portal which will soon be deleted. Well done! That is the one which should be deleted.
Johnbod (
talk) 14:16, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- All of which can go in
Category:Works by Mary Cassatt. --
wooden
superman 12:11, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. With the works category created, there is no longer any case for the eponymous category. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:26, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- Downmerge so that "works by" is the partent of the rest. The bio can be included as a main article. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:28, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:James Montgomery Flagg
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure). Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:07, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON -- wooden superman 12:14, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- I assume this must have had some additional content at some point in time, but since not now, delete per nom. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 04:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Invasive plant species
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. To assist anyone working o the topic, e.g. by list-making, I have left a list of the category's contents at WT:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 4#Invasive_plant_species. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:00, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale:
- 1) Better phrasing for such a category would be "Invasive plants" as "invasive species" is, despite having the taxonomic rank "species" in its name, sometimes used to refer to genera or higher taxon ranks. "Invasive plant species" (vs "invasive plants" or "invasive species—plants" implies that the category should only contain articles about species. Splitting up invasive species by taxonomic rank is not typical and would not be helpful. See new category Category:Invasive plants.
- 2) Categorizing species as invasive without specifying where they are invasive or who said they are invasive is not appropriate. The status of a plant as invasive-or-not can be controversial. The 600+ taxon articles in this category need to be moved to a well-referenced list. If the use of categories is recommended, they would need to be split into much finer grain system by location and/or designation (i.e. called invasive by whom?).
- Some background/related discussions:
- June 2009 CFD Category:Invasive species by country; renamed to Category:Lists of invasive species
- January 2014 CFD Category:Introduced saltwater fish of...; deleted
- January 2014 CFD Category:Introduced Species; comments proposing listifying, limiting categorization to articles specifically about introductions or invasiveness
- February 2014 CFD Category:Introduced freshwater fish of...; deleted
- March 2014 CFD Category:Invasive plant species in...; listified and deleted
- January 2019 Invasive species de-categorization discussion on my talk page
- Keep and improve. A plant species is invasive if it has a tendency to displace native plants and take over an area. There are many plants that can be transplanted to new areas without becoming disruptive of these areas, and relatively few that will tend to take over the new area. As for the controversy in deeming a plant invasive, that is easily resolved by turning to reliable sources that describe plants as invasive or not. I would totally agree with subdividing this category both by region where the plant is invasive, and by region from which the invasive plant originates. bd2412 T 17:51, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for your thoughts; can you clarify your stance here with regards to point #1 and the existence of the other category, Category:Invasive plants? — Hyperik ⌜ talk⌟ 15:26, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. That
the main article says "The criteria for invasive species has been controversial, as widely divergent perceptions exist among researchers as well as concerns with the subjectivity of the term "invasive"." shows that this isn't a suitable characteristic to categorize by.
DexDor
(talk) 18:41, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Don't trust Wikipedia articles too much. There are real controversies around how to define invasive species - for example, the USDA definition defines invasiveness in terms of economic impact, while almost everyone else uses ecological or environmental impacts as well. And yes, a lot of people use it loosely, as a synonym for "introduced" or "naturalised", but that doesn't remove the utility of the category. Guettarda ( talk) 19:33, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support replacing with "Cat:Invasive plants" with a requirement that it just be a container category for invasive plants in broad biogeographic regions (which is how plants are categorised anyway). And, obviously, any listed species need supporting citations. Guettarda ( talk) 19:33, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'm curious how exactly this would play out. Many (most?) of the articles currently in Category:Invasive plant species do not have reliable sources discussing invasiveness. Would that category be deleted, and whosoever might decide to rebuild the biogeographic/reference-supported category system could do so piece by piece at Category:Invasive plants (which may be no one)? Whose definition of invasive do we use?
- How could broad biogeographic areas be devised, referenced, or maintained for invasiveness? How do we require or track that reliable references are included before addition to a category? How would controversial invasive-or-not plants be categorized? Or plants that may be invasive in one U.S. state, but just a benign weed or even native in another? Some taxa could end up with dozens or hundreds of categories for each area and/or designation of invasiveness.
- As an example, how to categorize
Solidago sempervirens? It is considered by some as
invasive in the Midwest, including
Wisconsin,
Indiana, and
Ontario (at least), though
the USDA contradicts that, saying
"it is not considered an invasive plant"
, and it's actually native to the east coast. - Nativity/endemism, the existing broad geographic categories for taxa on Wikipedia, are much better referenced with clearer and generally more agreed-upon definitions than "invasiveness" and can't really be used as an analogous system here. — Hyperik ⌜ talk⌟ 16:10, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Category:Invasive plants is a parent of Category:Invasive plant species by region, and that's just fine. There is no need for this category. It currently contains 622 articles, but it is completely inappropriate to categorize something as invasive without an indication of WHERE it is invasive. All plants are native to somewhere on Earth; nothing is invasive everywhere it is found. Plantdrew ( talk) 17:01, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There is clear consensus to get rid of this category, but not on where to put the articles currently in it. Do we delete with no further action? Do we merge them somewhere? Do we manually split them into categories by region (an idea which seems to have at least some support)? Further discussion should focus on exactly what we're doing to this category before getting rid of it.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob13 Talk 05:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Relisting comment: There is clear consensus to get rid of this category, but not on where to put the articles currently in it. Do we delete with no further action? Do we merge them somewhere? Do we manually split them into categories by region (an idea which seems to have at least some support)? Further discussion should focus on exactly what we're doing to this category before getting rid of it.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob13 Talk 05:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - the parent for Category:Invasive plant species by region should be Category:Invasive plant species (this is elementary logic, nothing to do with botany). The parent was changed in 2019 by Hyperik - why? Oculi ( talk) 11:26, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete without further action (the latter added upon request of the admin who relisted). In the articles that I checked, the region of invasiveness was too broad (like, the Americas) or the article was already in a specific regional category of invasiveness. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete without further action As per others' comments, invasiveness must relate to a region, so it's wrong to have a top category not mentioning region. Articles here can only be recategorized one by one by looking to see what sources say is the relevant region, there's no fixed alternative. Peter coxhead ( talk) 15:56, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Modern primitive movement
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. There was no consensus on deletion. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: I'm not entirely sure this actually qualifies as a movement. Regardless, it's a tiny category, with two of the articles both well-linked thru the third (main) article. Anomalous+0 ( talk) 12:01, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- If kept, rename to Category:Modern primitive, aligned with article title Modern primitive. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:57, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- I am not against deleting, just adding on my previous comment. Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Festivals in Former Yugoslavia
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- The result of the discussion was:
- purge both categories of festivals established post-1991
- then
- Pinging the nominator @ Bearcat and participants @ SportingFlyer + @ Marcocapelle: please would you three be kind enough to implement this?
- (Note: to select pages -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs)
- Nominator's rationale: Everything here is already properly categorized as being in Serbia or Bosnia or Croatia or Kosovo or Montenegro as it is, so categorizing them for the country they used to be in alongside that is simply redundant and unnecessary. Especially given that some of the entries here didn't start until after Yugoslavia broke up, and were thus never "in Yugoslavia" in the first place. Bearcat ( talk) 05:58, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- Keep As someone who edits a lot of ex-Yugoslavian articles, I don't think it's redundant at all, and I think it would be helpful to have a category which distinguishes Yugoslavia from the modern-day countries. The problem with these categories is they include a lot of events which didn't actually take place in Yugoslavia. Perhaps a bot could de-categorise every event that began after the 1990s instead? SportingFlyer T· C 06:08, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- Merge and rename respectively to Category:Festivals in Yugoslavia and Category:Electronic music festivals in Yugoslavia. We do not add "former" to former countries' categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:42, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- And agree with SportingFlyer that the category requires some purging. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:55, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Specifically to solicit feedback surrounding the merge/rename suggestion that cropped up late in the discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob13 Talk 05:21, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob13 Talk 05:21, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Lists of monuments and memorials in Rostov Oblast
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- The result of the discussion was: merge -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:28, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: At this time, there is not enough content in either parent to support this intersection. Similar categories were recently upmerged (see here and here). (Pinging the category's creator, User:Leonid Dobrov) -- Black Falcon ( talk) 03:57, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:56, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Sistanian poetry
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Sistanian poetry to Category:Persian poetry and Category:Sistani culture, or rename to Category:Sistani poetry
- Nominator's rationale: There is not enough content in this category or either parent to justify a subcategory. If there is no consensus to merge, then rename per Category:Sistani culture. (Category creator not notified: inactive) -- Black Falcon ( talk) 03:37, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Reformed State churches in Switzerland
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Reformed cantonal churches in Switzerland. MER-C 18:49, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: rename: (a) rename churches to Churches because these are church organisations with Church as part of their proper name; (b) rename State to canton, since canton (country subdivision) is accepted Wikipedia terminology for subdivisions of Switzerland. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:51, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- ALT The contents don't really break down by canton. No one canton would have enough for a sub-category. So I propose Category:Reformed Churches in Switzerland. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 14:11, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- I am not against the alternative per se, but it looks like every canton has its own Reformed Church. Hence the category breaks down by canton articles rather than by canton subcategories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 14:44, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Rename per Laura L. There is not enough content to justify a split by canton, which will produce a mass of minute categories. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:31, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Rename to Category:Reformed state churches in Switzerland (decapitalised "State").- By convention, a foo-by-bar category is a container for a set of subcats by bar. That is not the case here, so @ Marcocapelle's proposal doesn't work.
- These are literally "state churches" (
Landeskirche), emanations of the state. The category title should respect that, and not invent its own terminology. --
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs) 08:59, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- @ BrownHairedGirl: This certainly resolves part (a) of the nomination rationale. With respect to part (b), at second thought I agree that a foo-by-bar category name is not ideal. However state church is a rather poor translation of Landeskirche because "Land" in this context refers to an administrative subdivision (canton) that succeeded a former state. Probably a better suggestion is Category:Landeskirche (Reformed) in Switzerland. Marcocapelle ( talk) 12:23, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- @
Marcocapelle, do we toss a coin to choose between a term which was accurate when the church was founded, or one which reflects the situation since federation?
- I can see arguments either way, but I'd be inclined to avoid that and go with whatever translation of Landeskirche is used by contemporary English-language scholars of Swiss religious structures. It's not my field, so I dunno that answer ... but it occurs to me that the answer might be that they avoid the issue by just using "Landeskirche" as a loanword. If so, then Wikipedia should do the same. --
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs) 14:22, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- Here the expression is "cantonal churches". So that would yield Category:Reformed cantonal churches in Switzerland. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:48, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- @
Marcocapelle, do we toss a coin to choose between a term which was accurate when the church was founded, or one which reflects the situation since federation?
- (changing my !vote) Rename to Category:Reformed cantonal churches in Switzerland per @ Marcocapelle's suggestion. It seems like well-sourced compromise, and this discussion needs to be wrapped up. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:23, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Reformed cantonal churches in Switzerland per @Marcocapelle. However an alt rename outcome to Category:Reformed cantonal church bodies in Switzerland could also be possible, because of the possible confusion with church buildings. Place Clichy ( talk) 09:39, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Reformed cantonal churches in Switzerland per the above. That seems like the most accurate outcome, since these are not groups by canton. bd2412 T 18:28, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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March 4
Category:Album covers by label
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. There's a consensus to delete, but the nomination was a bit pointless because the only content was a subcategory
Category:Mint 400 Records album covers. If the nomination had deleted
Category:Mint 400 Records album covers, then
Category:Album covers by label would have been speedy- deleted as empty ... but now are left with albums still categorised by label.
Pinging the participants @ Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars, NorthPark1417, and Richhoncho: does anyone want to do a followup nomination? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:33, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: I've seen album cover image files categorized by recording artist and visual artist, but as far as I can tell this is the first attempt to categorize such files by record label. Some labels could have thousands of album covers and the relationship of these covers beyond the label is tenuous at best. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 23:37, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello, I am the creator of the category. I created categories for the artists, leaving the label releases. - NorthPark1417 ( talk) 03:56, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. What a mishmash of nothingness! There are one, possibly two incidences where this has any relevance at all. In which case there should be an article about the importance of those album covers by record company. The relevant category, if any, should then be, lists of album covers by label. Category linkage without explanation on dubious grounds is not helping anybody. -- Richhoncho ( talk) 09:04, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- Question @ Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars and Richhoncho: should the subcategory be nominated as well? Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:54, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Power Architecture
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- The result of the discussion was: moot, but speedy delete as empty.
@ 99Electrons, bringing a category to CFD when you have already emptied it is pointless, because there is nothing left to keep. Much better to leave the category populated, and make a CFD nomination which links to discussion which decided the category was a bad idea. Then the discssion here can decide there is a wider consensus to delete it. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:29, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: A discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing#Power Architecture on Wikipedia regarding the Power Architecture in general, which included this is category, resulted in a consensus that this category provides little benefit to Wikipedia, and that this category should be deleted. This category has been depopulated after a consensus was reached. Disclosure: I initiated the discussion and depopulated the category. 99Electrons ( talk) 23:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Question @ 99Electrons: are the articles still together in some other category, or do you think they do not belong together at all? Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:57, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- None of the articles that were categorized under the Power Architecture category belonged in it because the definition of Power Architecture is marketing nonsense. The discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing#Power Architecture on Wikipedia explains in detail why the term is meaningless, and why its over-enthusiastic use on Wikipedia was not of any benefit. Every article that was in this category was already categorized meaningfully, and if it wasn't, then it was categorized meaningfully when it was removed from this category. 99Electrons ( talk) 22:12, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:James FitzGerald
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure). Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:58, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary parent for a single child category, Category:Works by James FitzGerald, which serves its purpose on its own. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 23:04, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:British honours system
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- The result of the discussion was: keep ( non-admin closure). Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:03, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale:
British honours system redirects to
Orders, decorations, and medals of the United Kingdom. No other equivalent category exists for other countries, as all other equivalent existing "honours system" redirects to "Orders, decorations, and medals of X" per
WP:CONSISTENCY.
PPEMES (
talk) 21:54, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
It is simply untrue to say, "No other equivalent category exists for other countriesIt is not correct that "as all other equivalent existing "honours system" redirects to "Orders, decorations, and medals of X"" Category:Honours systems has about 11 other articles that are not redirects. Johnbod ( talk) 21:21, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- Support Aid navigation and follows the lead of the main article. RevelationDirect ( talk) 02:58, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose. The fact that there are no similar categories for other countries probably reflects the sheer scale of the British honours system, and the extent of Wikipedia coverage thereof. Instead of merger, the categories should be cleaned up and more clearly distinguished, with Category:British honours system as a parent of Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of the United Kingdom.
- The Category:British honours system should include topics such as Birthday Honours, Dissolution Honours, Prime Minister's Resignation Honours, New Year Honours, Coronation Honours and controversies about honours. The titles themselves and their recipients should be in the subcat Category:Orders, decorations, and medals of the United Kingdom. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 18:57, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose per Bhg & flawed nom - see above. PPEMES, please excercise a minimum of care in noms. Johnbod ( talk) 21:21, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
- @
Johnbod: Did the category change since your observation above about there being 11 categories for other countries' Honours? I only found one other category:
Category:New Zealand Royal Honours System (and that is used instead of not in addition to Orders, decorations, and medals).
RevelationDirect (
talk) 00:36, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Ok, I should have said "articles" - but the point is the same. You can't say this is a uniquely UK thing. The nom also seems to mix up categories and articles.
Johnbod (
talk) 01:26, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- I argued in the way
RevelationDirect did. Sorry for any inconvenience.
PPEMES (
talk) 11:59, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Johnbod, Thanks for the clarification. Sounds like a misunderstanding not a deceptive nomination. RevelationDirect ( talk) 23:57, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- I argued in the way
RevelationDirect did. Sorry for any inconvenience.
PPEMES (
talk) 11:59, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Ok, I should have said "articles" - but the point is the same. You can't say this is a uniquely UK thing. The nom also seems to mix up categories and articles.
Johnbod (
talk) 01:26, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- @
Johnbod: Did the category change since your observation above about there being 11 categories for other countries' Honours? I only found one other category:
Category:New Zealand Royal Honours System (and that is used instead of not in addition to Orders, decorations, and medals).
RevelationDirect (
talk) 00:36, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose because peerages and [ordinary] knighthoods (which are granted in honours lists) are not orders, decorations or medals. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:25, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Billy Wilder
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:32, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:James Ivory
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 08:32, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Ralph Bakshi
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure). Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:03, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON -- wooden superman 12:15, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete No need for another layer of categorization just for Category:Works by Ralph Bakshi. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 04:34, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Mary Cassatt
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure). I have added the biography as the main article in the header of the works category. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:59, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON -- wooden superman 12:15, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Move List of works by Mary Cassatt to Category:Paintings by Mary Cassatt and delete this category. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 04:31, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Category:Prints by Mary Cassatt was lacking, now set up. There are very likely to be more articles on these, what with her being a) female, b) American and c) popular. So that (above) doesn't work. Johnbod ( talk)
- All of which can go in
Category:Works by Mary Cassatt. --
wooden
superman 12:11, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- So you've now set up an entirely pointless intermediate-level category, only containing these, the main bio, the list, and the portal which will soon be deleted. Well done! That is the one which should be deleted.
Johnbod (
talk) 14:16, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- On the contrary, the "Works by..." category tree is a much more acceptable tree than these eponymous ones. It is certainly not pointless, as it allows placement of Category:Works by Mary Cassatt in Category:Works by artist. You should have created it when you created Category:Prints by Mary Cassatt. The eponymous category is the pointless one. -- wooden superman 14:34, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- So you've now set up an entirely pointless intermediate-level category, only containing these, the main bio, the list, and the portal which will soon be deleted. Well done! That is the one which should be deleted.
Johnbod (
talk) 14:16, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- All of which can go in
Category:Works by Mary Cassatt. --
wooden
superman 12:11, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. With the works category created, there is no longer any case for the eponymous category. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:26, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- Downmerge so that "works by" is the partent of the rest. The bio can be included as a main article. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:28, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:James Montgomery Flagg
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure). Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:07, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON -- wooden superman 12:14, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- I assume this must have had some additional content at some point in time, but since not now, delete per nom. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 04:28, 7 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Invasive plant species
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. To assist anyone working o the topic, e.g. by list-making, I have left a list of the category's contents at WT:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 March 4#Invasive_plant_species. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:00, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale:
- 1) Better phrasing for such a category would be "Invasive plants" as "invasive species" is, despite having the taxonomic rank "species" in its name, sometimes used to refer to genera or higher taxon ranks. "Invasive plant species" (vs "invasive plants" or "invasive species—plants" implies that the category should only contain articles about species. Splitting up invasive species by taxonomic rank is not typical and would not be helpful. See new category Category:Invasive plants.
- 2) Categorizing species as invasive without specifying where they are invasive or who said they are invasive is not appropriate. The status of a plant as invasive-or-not can be controversial. The 600+ taxon articles in this category need to be moved to a well-referenced list. If the use of categories is recommended, they would need to be split into much finer grain system by location and/or designation (i.e. called invasive by whom?).
- Some background/related discussions:
- June 2009 CFD Category:Invasive species by country; renamed to Category:Lists of invasive species
- January 2014 CFD Category:Introduced saltwater fish of...; deleted
- January 2014 CFD Category:Introduced Species; comments proposing listifying, limiting categorization to articles specifically about introductions or invasiveness
- February 2014 CFD Category:Introduced freshwater fish of...; deleted
- March 2014 CFD Category:Invasive plant species in...; listified and deleted
- January 2019 Invasive species de-categorization discussion on my talk page
- Keep and improve. A plant species is invasive if it has a tendency to displace native plants and take over an area. There are many plants that can be transplanted to new areas without becoming disruptive of these areas, and relatively few that will tend to take over the new area. As for the controversy in deeming a plant invasive, that is easily resolved by turning to reliable sources that describe plants as invasive or not. I would totally agree with subdividing this category both by region where the plant is invasive, and by region from which the invasive plant originates. bd2412 T 17:51, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for your thoughts; can you clarify your stance here with regards to point #1 and the existence of the other category, Category:Invasive plants? — Hyperik ⌜ talk⌟ 15:26, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. That
the main article says "The criteria for invasive species has been controversial, as widely divergent perceptions exist among researchers as well as concerns with the subjectivity of the term "invasive"." shows that this isn't a suitable characteristic to categorize by.
DexDor
(talk) 18:41, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Don't trust Wikipedia articles too much. There are real controversies around how to define invasive species - for example, the USDA definition defines invasiveness in terms of economic impact, while almost everyone else uses ecological or environmental impacts as well. And yes, a lot of people use it loosely, as a synonym for "introduced" or "naturalised", but that doesn't remove the utility of the category. Guettarda ( talk) 19:33, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- Support replacing with "Cat:Invasive plants" with a requirement that it just be a container category for invasive plants in broad biogeographic regions (which is how plants are categorised anyway). And, obviously, any listed species need supporting citations. Guettarda ( talk) 19:33, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- I'm curious how exactly this would play out. Many (most?) of the articles currently in Category:Invasive plant species do not have reliable sources discussing invasiveness. Would that category be deleted, and whosoever might decide to rebuild the biogeographic/reference-supported category system could do so piece by piece at Category:Invasive plants (which may be no one)? Whose definition of invasive do we use?
- How could broad biogeographic areas be devised, referenced, or maintained for invasiveness? How do we require or track that reliable references are included before addition to a category? How would controversial invasive-or-not plants be categorized? Or plants that may be invasive in one U.S. state, but just a benign weed or even native in another? Some taxa could end up with dozens or hundreds of categories for each area and/or designation of invasiveness.
- As an example, how to categorize
Solidago sempervirens? It is considered by some as
invasive in the Midwest, including
Wisconsin,
Indiana, and
Ontario (at least), though
the USDA contradicts that, saying
"it is not considered an invasive plant"
, and it's actually native to the east coast. - Nativity/endemism, the existing broad geographic categories for taxa on Wikipedia, are much better referenced with clearer and generally more agreed-upon definitions than "invasiveness" and can't really be used as an analogous system here. — Hyperik ⌜ talk⌟ 16:10, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. Category:Invasive plants is a parent of Category:Invasive plant species by region, and that's just fine. There is no need for this category. It currently contains 622 articles, but it is completely inappropriate to categorize something as invasive without an indication of WHERE it is invasive. All plants are native to somewhere on Earth; nothing is invasive everywhere it is found. Plantdrew ( talk) 17:01, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There is clear consensus to get rid of this category, but not on where to put the articles currently in it. Do we delete with no further action? Do we merge them somewhere? Do we manually split them into categories by region (an idea which seems to have at least some support)? Further discussion should focus on exactly what we're doing to this category before getting rid of it.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob13 Talk 05:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Relisting comment: There is clear consensus to get rid of this category, but not on where to put the articles currently in it. Do we delete with no further action? Do we merge them somewhere? Do we manually split them into categories by region (an idea which seems to have at least some support)? Further discussion should focus on exactly what we're doing to this category before getting rid of it.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ~ Rob13 Talk 05:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - the parent for Category:Invasive plant species by region should be Category:Invasive plant species (this is elementary logic, nothing to do with botany). The parent was changed in 2019 by Hyperik - why? Oculi ( talk) 11:26, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete without further action (the latter added upon request of the admin who relisted). In the articles that I checked, the region of invasiveness was too broad (like, the Americas) or the article was already in a specific regional category of invasiveness. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Delete without further action As per others' comments, invasiveness must relate to a region, so it's wrong to have a top category not mentioning region. Articles here can only be recategorized one by one by looking to see what sources say is the relevant region, there's no fixed alternative. Peter coxhead ( talk) 15:56, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Modern primitive movement
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. There was no consensus on deletion. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: I'm not entirely sure this actually qualifies as a movement. Regardless, it's a tiny category, with two of the articles both well-linked thru the third (main) article. Anomalous+0 ( talk) 12:01, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
- If kept, rename to Category:Modern primitive, aligned with article title Modern primitive. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:57, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- I am not against deleting, just adding on my previous comment. Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:27, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Festivals in Former Yugoslavia
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- The result of the discussion was:
- purge both categories of festivals established post-1991
- then
- Pinging the nominator @ Bearcat and participants @ SportingFlyer + @ Marcocapelle: please would you three be kind enough to implement this?
- (Note: to select pages -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs)
- Nominator's rationale: Everything here is already properly categorized as being in Serbia or Bosnia or Croatia or Kosovo or Montenegro as it is, so categorizing them for the country they used to be in alongside that is simply redundant and unnecessary. Especially given that some of the entries here didn't start until after Yugoslavia broke up, and were thus never "in Yugoslavia" in the first place. Bearcat ( talk) 05:58, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- Keep As someone who edits a lot of ex-Yugoslavian articles, I don't think it's redundant at all, and I think it would be helpful to have a category which distinguishes Yugoslavia from the modern-day countries. The problem with these categories is they include a lot of events which didn't actually take place in Yugoslavia. Perhaps a bot could de-categorise every event that began after the 1990s instead? SportingFlyer T· C 06:08, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- Merge and rename respectively to Category:Festivals in Yugoslavia and Category:Electronic music festivals in Yugoslavia. We do not add "former" to former countries' categories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:42, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- And agree with SportingFlyer that the category requires some purging. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:55, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Specifically to solicit feedback surrounding the merge/rename suggestion that cropped up late in the discussion.
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Category:Lists of monuments and memorials in Rostov Oblast
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- The result of the discussion was: merge -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:28, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: At this time, there is not enough content in either parent to support this intersection. Similar categories were recently upmerged (see here and here). (Pinging the category's creator, User:Leonid Dobrov) -- Black Falcon ( talk) 03:57, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 22:56, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Sistanian poetry
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:55, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Sistanian poetry to Category:Persian poetry and Category:Sistani culture, or rename to Category:Sistani poetry
- Nominator's rationale: There is not enough content in this category or either parent to justify a subcategory. If there is no consensus to merge, then rename per Category:Sistani culture. (Category creator not notified: inactive) -- Black Falcon ( talk) 03:37, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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Category:Reformed State churches in Switzerland
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Reformed cantonal churches in Switzerland. MER-C 18:49, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: rename: (a) rename churches to Churches because these are church organisations with Church as part of their proper name; (b) rename State to canton, since canton (country subdivision) is accepted Wikipedia terminology for subdivisions of Switzerland. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:51, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
- ALT The contents don't really break down by canton. No one canton would have enough for a sub-category. So I propose Category:Reformed Churches in Switzerland. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 14:11, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
- I am not against the alternative per se, but it looks like every canton has its own Reformed Church. Hence the category breaks down by canton articles rather than by canton subcategories. Marcocapelle ( talk) 14:44, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Rename per Laura L. There is not enough content to justify a split by canton, which will produce a mass of minute categories. Peterkingiron ( talk) 15:31, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
Rename to Category:Reformed state churches in Switzerland (decapitalised "State").- By convention, a foo-by-bar category is a container for a set of subcats by bar. That is not the case here, so @ Marcocapelle's proposal doesn't work.
- These are literally "state churches" (
Landeskirche), emanations of the state. The category title should respect that, and not invent its own terminology. --
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs) 08:59, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- @ BrownHairedGirl: This certainly resolves part (a) of the nomination rationale. With respect to part (b), at second thought I agree that a foo-by-bar category name is not ideal. However state church is a rather poor translation of Landeskirche because "Land" in this context refers to an administrative subdivision (canton) that succeeded a former state. Probably a better suggestion is Category:Landeskirche (Reformed) in Switzerland. Marcocapelle ( talk) 12:23, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- @
Marcocapelle, do we toss a coin to choose between a term which was accurate when the church was founded, or one which reflects the situation since federation?
- I can see arguments either way, but I'd be inclined to avoid that and go with whatever translation of Landeskirche is used by contemporary English-language scholars of Swiss religious structures. It's not my field, so I dunno that answer ... but it occurs to me that the answer might be that they avoid the issue by just using "Landeskirche" as a loanword. If so, then Wikipedia should do the same. --
BrownHairedGirl
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- Here the expression is "cantonal churches". So that would yield Category:Reformed cantonal churches in Switzerland. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:48, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
- @
Marcocapelle, do we toss a coin to choose between a term which was accurate when the church was founded, or one which reflects the situation since federation?
- (changing my !vote) Rename to Category:Reformed cantonal churches in Switzerland per @ Marcocapelle's suggestion. It seems like well-sourced compromise, and this discussion needs to be wrapped up. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 01:23, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Reformed cantonal churches in Switzerland per @Marcocapelle. However an alt rename outcome to Category:Reformed cantonal church bodies in Switzerland could also be possible, because of the possible confusion with church buildings. Place Clichy ( talk) 09:39, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Reformed cantonal churches in Switzerland per the above. That seems like the most accurate outcome, since these are not groups by canton. bd2412 T 18:28, 25 May 2019 (UTC)
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