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November 4

Category:Mainline Electric Multiple Units of India

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:33, 12 November 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: To match naming/capitalization of the other members of Category:Electric multiple units by country. cymru.lass ( talk • contribs) 22:10, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
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Category:<Animal>s described in <year> with very confined scope and small size

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:36, 12 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Anemones (6 cats)
Ants (6 cats)
Aphids (4 cats)
Bees (4 cats)
Caddisflies (1 cat)
Centipedes (1 cat)
Cicadas (2 cats)
Damselflies (6 cats)
Dragonflies (9 cats)
Fleas (1 cat)
Flies (6 cats)
Lacewings (1 cat)
Mantises (1 cat)
Scale insects (1 cat)
Sea cucumbers (1 cat)
Stink bugs (1 cat)
Termites (2 cats)
Ticks (3 cats)
Urchins (4 cats)
Wasps (6 cats)
Nominator's rationale: While I am for the creation of useful subcategories to the Category:Animals by year of formal description tree and below, those listed above have the following criteria:
  1. contain 9 or fewer total categories across all years,
  2. contain a small number of articles (the largest being Category:Ants described in 1858 (0), and next largest Category:Flies described in 1859 (0)),
  3. due to #1 & #2, they fail to meet the consensus reached at the Request for comment: categorizing by year of formal description, and finally,
  4. were created between February–June 2018, giving them many months to be sufficiently populated and/or expanded.
If any of these trees have promise for expansion from the associated WikiProject, then they can be reassessed in a few months. Otherwise, I think their contents can be safely upmerged now. Ping to Pvmoutside, the sole creator.   ~  Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf)  21:57, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
WT:ANIMALS, WT:ARTHROPODS, WT:MARINELIFE, & WT:TREEOFLIFE notified.   ~  Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf)  22:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Mites described in 1959

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:37, 12 November 2018 (UTC) reply
Propose merging
Propose deleting
Nominator's rationale: We don't even have a Category:Mites, so this seems an inappropriate way to categorise their taxonomic history. Zoology is not my field, so I would welcome suggestion for a better merge target. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:38, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
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Category:Swaziland national football team managers

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The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Swaziland has become Eswatini, and the relevant associated article has been moved to Eswatini national football team Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Support - should start with ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.›  Category:Swaziland. These would be speedies. Oculi ( talk) 01:15, 5 November 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Swaziland international footballers

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:31, 12 November 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Swaziland has become Eswatini, and the relevant associated article has been moved to Eswatini national football team Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:E.M.S

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: The category has already been deleted by User:Michig. ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a musician who does not have the volume of spinoff content needed to warrant one. As always, every musician does not automatically get one of these just to parent his WP:BLP -- they're created only in unusual cases, such as ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.›  Category:Leonard Cohen or ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.›  Category:Prince (musician), where it's needed for navigation purposes as the musician has a high volume of related content. But this musician doesn't have that. Bearcat ( talk) 06:37, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Candian people by province or territory by occupation

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Speedy merge. Sorry folks. The mis-spelling was my error when I created the category. I have redirected [1] it. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 19:41, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Blatant misspelling of Canadian in title, but has categories not in Canadian people by province or territory by occupation. Breawycker ( talk to me!) 03:06, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy merge. An obvious spelling error, coupled with obvious reduplication of another category that already exists, means this was just a good faith user error that we can just correct without really needing an extended discussion about it first. Bearcat ( talk) 15:59, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
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Category:Women murder victims

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:30, 12 November 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: It includes (e.g.) Tammy Alexander who was a girl. Since female children are not women, the category should be renamed: it's not exclusively about adult females but females in general. Honestly, this is a big change for many, many categories that include boys along with men and girls along with women but I had to start somewhere to get feedback. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 03:05, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Support as per the nominator, some of these people are children (and so not women). Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:48, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Perhaps it is unavoidable, but the term 'female' and 'male' are sometimes regarded as at least potentially obtuse, and some suggest avoiding it outside of a biological context. Sociologically, this is territory fraught with complications. I would have more to say if there wider discussion of categorization split by a gender datum instead of a subject or other encyclopaedic arrangements, and more consideration and reading (others have probably considered this deeply already), but for the time being I'm linking Category:Domestic murder victims and pondering the result—red or blue—against what is known about frequency, gender and its notability. — cygnis insignis 21:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Support as inaccurate and also a malapropism. Softlavender ( talk) 22:26, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose The main article is woman: "A woman is a female human being. The term woman is usually reserved for an adult, with girl being the usual term for a female child or adolescent. The term woman is also sometimes used to identify a female human, regardless of age" Dimadick ( talk) 19:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC) reply
    • You pretty much proved the point: "Woman" is usually reserved for an adult. You'd be hard pressed to find a reliable source or medical source that calls an infant, baby, toddler, or child a "woman". Softlavender ( talk) 22:34, 5 November 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Support a woman is a adult female human being. When I hear someone call a youth a person from the ages of 13–17 or 13–18 a "child", I find it insulting as a child is someone 12 years old or younger, as once you turn 13 you are no longer a child. I'm sure most youths would not like to be referred to as a child, so yes a female child or adolescent should not be called a woman either. Davidgoodheart ( talk) 21:42, 9 November 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Where do you get this definition of a child from? Rathfelder ( talk) 16:58, 11 November 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Geobox usage tracking for beach type

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. Was just created as a temporary tracking category. WOSlinker ( talk) 09:51, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: All transclusions have been converted so this tracking category is no longer being used. Usually this would be a speedy delete (just like Category:Geobox usage tracking for region type) but an admin has reverted my attempts. Zackmann ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 00:30, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
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< November 3 November 5 >

November 4

Category:Mainline Electric Multiple Units of India

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:33, 12 November 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: To match naming/capitalization of the other members of Category:Electric multiple units by country. cymru.lass ( talk • contribs) 22:10, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:<Animal>s described in <year> with very confined scope and small size

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:36, 12 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Anemones (6 cats)
Ants (6 cats)
Aphids (4 cats)
Bees (4 cats)
Caddisflies (1 cat)
Centipedes (1 cat)
Cicadas (2 cats)
Damselflies (6 cats)
Dragonflies (9 cats)
Fleas (1 cat)
Flies (6 cats)
Lacewings (1 cat)
Mantises (1 cat)
Scale insects (1 cat)
Sea cucumbers (1 cat)
Stink bugs (1 cat)
Termites (2 cats)
Ticks (3 cats)
Urchins (4 cats)
Wasps (6 cats)
Nominator's rationale: While I am for the creation of useful subcategories to the Category:Animals by year of formal description tree and below, those listed above have the following criteria:
  1. contain 9 or fewer total categories across all years,
  2. contain a small number of articles (the largest being Category:Ants described in 1858 (0), and next largest Category:Flies described in 1859 (0)),
  3. due to #1 & #2, they fail to meet the consensus reached at the Request for comment: categorizing by year of formal description, and finally,
  4. were created between February–June 2018, giving them many months to be sufficiently populated and/or expanded.
If any of these trees have promise for expansion from the associated WikiProject, then they can be reassessed in a few months. Otherwise, I think their contents can be safely upmerged now. Ping to Pvmoutside, the sole creator.   ~  Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf)  21:57, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
WT:ANIMALS, WT:ARTHROPODS, WT:MARINELIFE, & WT:TREEOFLIFE notified.   ~  Tom.Reding ( talk ⋅ dgaf)  22:21, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Mites described in 1959

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:37, 12 November 2018 (UTC) reply
Propose merging
Propose deleting
Nominator's rationale: We don't even have a Category:Mites, so this seems an inappropriate way to categorise their taxonomic history. Zoology is not my field, so I would welcome suggestion for a better merge target. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:38, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Swaziland national football team managers

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Swaziland has become Eswatini, and the relevant associated article has been moved to Eswatini national football team Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply

Support - should start with ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.›  Category:Swaziland. These would be speedies. Oculi ( talk) 01:15, 5 November 2018 (UTC) reply

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Swaziland international footballers

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:31, 12 November 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Swaziland has become Eswatini, and the relevant associated article has been moved to Eswatini national football team Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:47, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:E.M.S

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: The category has already been deleted by User:Michig. ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:46, 11 November 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a musician who does not have the volume of spinoff content needed to warrant one. As always, every musician does not automatically get one of these just to parent his WP:BLP -- they're created only in unusual cases, such as ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.›  Category:Leonard Cohen or ‹The template Category link is being considered for merging.›  Category:Prince (musician), where it's needed for navigation purposes as the musician has a high volume of related content. But this musician doesn't have that. Bearcat ( talk) 06:37, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Candian people by province or territory by occupation

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Speedy merge. Sorry folks. The mis-spelling was my error when I created the category. I have redirected [1] it. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 19:41, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Blatant misspelling of Canadian in title, but has categories not in Canadian people by province or territory by occupation. Breawycker ( talk to me!) 03:06, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Speedy merge. An obvious spelling error, coupled with obvious reduplication of another category that already exists, means this was just a good faith user error that we can just correct without really needing an extended discussion about it first. Bearcat ( talk) 15:59, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Women murder victims

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:30, 12 November 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: It includes (e.g.) Tammy Alexander who was a girl. Since female children are not women, the category should be renamed: it's not exclusively about adult females but females in general. Honestly, this is a big change for many, many categories that include boys along with men and girls along with women but I had to start somewhere to get feedback. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 03:05, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Support as per the nominator, some of these people are children (and so not women). Joseph 2302 ( talk) 15:48, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Comment Perhaps it is unavoidable, but the term 'female' and 'male' are sometimes regarded as at least potentially obtuse, and some suggest avoiding it outside of a biological context. Sociologically, this is territory fraught with complications. I would have more to say if there wider discussion of categorization split by a gender datum instead of a subject or other encyclopaedic arrangements, and more consideration and reading (others have probably considered this deeply already), but for the time being I'm linking Category:Domestic murder victims and pondering the result—red or blue—against what is known about frequency, gender and its notability. — cygnis insignis 21:07, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Support as inaccurate and also a malapropism. Softlavender ( talk) 22:26, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose The main article is woman: "A woman is a female human being. The term woman is usually reserved for an adult, with girl being the usual term for a female child or adolescent. The term woman is also sometimes used to identify a female human, regardless of age" Dimadick ( talk) 19:01, 5 November 2018 (UTC) reply
    • You pretty much proved the point: "Woman" is usually reserved for an adult. You'd be hard pressed to find a reliable source or medical source that calls an infant, baby, toddler, or child a "woman". Softlavender ( talk) 22:34, 5 November 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Support a woman is a adult female human being. When I hear someone call a youth a person from the ages of 13–17 or 13–18 a "child", I find it insulting as a child is someone 12 years old or younger, as once you turn 13 you are no longer a child. I'm sure most youths would not like to be referred to as a child, so yes a female child or adolescent should not be called a woman either. Davidgoodheart ( talk) 21:42, 9 November 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Where do you get this definition of a child from? Rathfelder ( talk) 16:58, 11 November 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Geobox usage tracking for beach type

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. Was just created as a temporary tracking category. WOSlinker ( talk) 09:51, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: All transclusions have been converted so this tracking category is no longer being used. Usually this would be a speedy delete (just like Category:Geobox usage tracking for region type) but an admin has reverted my attempts. Zackmann ( Talk to me/ What I been doing) 00:30, 4 November 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Retrieved from " https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_November_4&oldid=881054289"

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