Category:Human first names given to physical phenomena
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Nominator's rationale: This is not defining. I also don't see the point of this category. If it were to be fully populated, it would include most tropical storms, and not much else. --
Tavix(
talk)23:42, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete shared common names. Hurricanes were notable before we named them after, first women, then both men and women, and will be notable after we've retired all the names available and go back to numbering them.
Carlossuarez46 (
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00:27, 15 November 2016 (UTC)reply
NotDelete but maybe Listify (creator). I still think it is an interesting collection especially for those interested in names and what exactly (objects, people, etc) the latter can represent.
SoSivr (
talk)
21:39, 17 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete -- Storms are named sequentially going through the alphabet each year. Originally this was for Caribbean hurricanes only, but has since been extended to East Asian typhoons and most recently British winter cyclones. I would hope that the appropriate lists exist already, by type, then year. I see nothing other than storms in the category, but suspect that the creator did not appreciate how the names arose.
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18:28, 18 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Articles with bare URLs for citations
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Nominator's rationale: This category is currently being filled by two maintainance templates: {{Cleanup bare-URLs}} and {{Ref expand}}. These templates describe two different issues. The former can ususally be fixed by
a script, whereas the latter is harder to fix, can only be done manually, and in some cases requires asking the editor who added the source. The current name is also incorrect for the latter template, as was the former name. Thus, these different yet related backlogs should be split into seperate categories.
Pppery23:28, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Apostolic Nuncios to Naples
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I Oppose. Please note that the best source on this issue, the Biaudet (Les nonciatures apostoliques permanentes jusqu'en 1648
[1]), always refers to it as "Naples" and never as "Kindgom of Naples". Actually at the time the system of nunciatures did not follow the formal nations, but the system of courts (in this case the court of the vice-king of Naples), being the King of Naples already served by the nunciature in Madrid. The same for
Category:Apostolic Nuncios to Venice which is the correct name also according to the Biaudet (not "To Republic of Venice", which would be wrong)
A ntv (
talk)
10:00, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
I opposed because the nunciature was not "to the Kingdom of Naples" but "to the court in Naples". The title "Nunciature to (of) Naples" is correct and is supported by scholars texts as the referred Biaudet, as well as the Karttunen. When the kingdom of Naples became the
Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, the nunciature of Naples continued. I suggest to stay stick to sources
WP:STICKTOSOURCE. To change the title of such category is an historical error.
A ntv (
talk)
22:15, 22 October 2016 (UTC)reply
I wouldn't go so far as to say it would introduce historical error. There are plenty of instances in history where names are applied retroactively to things that did not use that name at the time. We're not necessarily bound to following sources that are contemporary or closer to the events in question that we are.
Good Ol’factory(talk)03:48, 25 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Modern scholars may introduce new names, but this shall be done by scholars not by wikipedians (or it is
WP:OR). I referred to the works of the Biaudet who published in 1910 his researches in the Vatican Archives for a period up to 1648: he was not contemporary or closer to the events in question. See also Origine e Carattere della Nunziatura di Napoli, 1523-1569 by Villani 1958, or the eminent Fonti per la Storia d'Italia: Nunziature di Napoli 1962.
A ntv (
talk)
22:33, 26 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose (1) Brevity is a virtue for categories (2) there is no room for ambiguity, since the Pope did not send multiple ambassadors to the same place. This is in addition to the issues others have raised.
Peterkingiron (
talk)
15:39, 23 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: in order to consider an alternative that would create consistency the other way
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –
FayenaticLondon21:56, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
While re-reading the earlier discussion I think we shouldn't change anything, per explanation of
User:A ntv. As for the option of renaming "Kingdom of Naples," presumably that should only be done if applied to the whole category tree; and besides in that case "Naples (kingdom)" would be preferable over plain "Naples" in order to avoid ambiguity.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
22:25, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Support original move, keep everything at Kingdom of Naples - brevity is always good in category names, but so are clarity and predictability. In this case I think it's sensible to keep the modern city and the historical kingdom distinct. Also
User:A ntv should note that technically there are no ambassadors to the United Kingdom, they are appointed to the
Court of St James's - but Wikipedia follows the
WP:COMMONNAME and has category names for ambassadors to the UK. Usability is more important than official usage, particularly when it comes to category names.
Le Deluge (
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02:41, 20 December 2016 (UTC)reply
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AEL Limassol F.C.
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Nominator's rationale: The team was commonly known as AEL Limassol (
uefa.com), with a Greek team also called themselves AEL FC from Larissa (which common name was disputed, UEFA use Larissa FC, the club just use AEL, media use AE Larissa and other combination) Nevertheless, the current category system was for the Cyprus club, which should be moved to distinguish the two clubs (a rough inspection, seem most of the wasn't mis-cated).
Matthew_hktc15:13, 20 October 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Politics of the Palestinian territories
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. Although no opposition was expressed to the first, or to the third as revised, the changes would make them inconsistent with sub-cats or parents respectively, so it seems to me that some actual support would be required in order to demonstrate sufficient consensus to make the changes. –
FayenaticLondon22:44, 21 December 2016 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The Palestinian territories is a geographic definition (areas under Palestinian control or partial control as referred by the UN), while the politics certainly belong to the geopolitical ruler of those territories - the Palestinian National Authority. Palestine is too generic, as is currently a disambig page.
GreyShark (
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16:47, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose the last one which contains "Mandatory Palestine" geography stubs which have nothing to do with the PNA, and several appear to be in Israel not in any area the UN recognizes as under the PNA.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk)
00:29, 15 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose renaming
Category:Treaties of Palestine. This category includes treaties entered into by the PLO, the Palestinian National Authority, and the State of Palestine. Which of these entities entered into the treaty usually depends of which entity was recognised at the time as a valid treaty-making body. There are a fair number of State of Palestine ones currently, and it's by no means overwhelming PNA ones. (In fact, at this stage, it's probably majority State of Palestine treaties.) It seems that the ambiguity here is helpful.
Good Ol’factory(talk)02:49, 17 November 2016 (UTC)reply
That would probably be better. But, of course, several of them are treaties agreed to by the PLO or the PNA, with no claim even by Palestine that it was entering the agreement as a "State of Palestine", which is why I would support the status quo, since it accurately covers all three possible contingencies.
Good Ol’factory(talk)02:11, 19 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Wikipedian interested in football in Armenia
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Category:Customer experience management
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Merge Per Nom for Now The main article is
Nova Scotian Settlers so the category names should blindly match and this one article category isn't serving a navigational function. All that being said, I think the article should be renamed to add the "(Sierra Leone)" clarification since many readers would not expect the African connection.
RevelationDirect (
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03:12, 27 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Human first names given to physical phenomena
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Nominator's rationale: This is not defining. I also don't see the point of this category. If it were to be fully populated, it would include most tropical storms, and not much else. --
Tavix(
talk)23:42, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete shared common names. Hurricanes were notable before we named them after, first women, then both men and women, and will be notable after we've retired all the names available and go back to numbering them.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk)
00:27, 15 November 2016 (UTC)reply
NotDelete but maybe Listify (creator). I still think it is an interesting collection especially for those interested in names and what exactly (objects, people, etc) the latter can represent.
SoSivr (
talk)
21:39, 17 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete -- Storms are named sequentially going through the alphabet each year. Originally this was for Caribbean hurricanes only, but has since been extended to East Asian typhoons and most recently British winter cyclones. I would hope that the appropriate lists exist already, by type, then year. I see nothing other than storms in the category, but suspect that the creator did not appreciate how the names arose.
Peterkingiron (
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18:28, 18 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Articles with bare URLs for citations
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Nominator's rationale: This category is currently being filled by two maintainance templates: {{Cleanup bare-URLs}} and {{Ref expand}}. These templates describe two different issues. The former can ususally be fixed by
a script, whereas the latter is harder to fix, can only be done manually, and in some cases requires asking the editor who added the source. The current name is also incorrect for the latter template, as was the former name. Thus, these different yet related backlogs should be split into seperate categories.
Pppery23:28, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Apostolic Nuncios to Naples
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I Oppose. Please note that the best source on this issue, the Biaudet (Les nonciatures apostoliques permanentes jusqu'en 1648
[1]), always refers to it as "Naples" and never as "Kindgom of Naples". Actually at the time the system of nunciatures did not follow the formal nations, but the system of courts (in this case the court of the vice-king of Naples), being the King of Naples already served by the nunciature in Madrid. The same for
Category:Apostolic Nuncios to Venice which is the correct name also according to the Biaudet (not "To Republic of Venice", which would be wrong)
A ntv (
talk)
10:00, 11 October 2016 (UTC)reply
I opposed because the nunciature was not "to the Kingdom of Naples" but "to the court in Naples". The title "Nunciature to (of) Naples" is correct and is supported by scholars texts as the referred Biaudet, as well as the Karttunen. When the kingdom of Naples became the
Kingdom of the Two Sicilies, the nunciature of Naples continued. I suggest to stay stick to sources
WP:STICKTOSOURCE. To change the title of such category is an historical error.
A ntv (
talk)
22:15, 22 October 2016 (UTC)reply
I wouldn't go so far as to say it would introduce historical error. There are plenty of instances in history where names are applied retroactively to things that did not use that name at the time. We're not necessarily bound to following sources that are contemporary or closer to the events in question that we are.
Good Ol’factory(talk)03:48, 25 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Modern scholars may introduce new names, but this shall be done by scholars not by wikipedians (or it is
WP:OR). I referred to the works of the Biaudet who published in 1910 his researches in the Vatican Archives for a period up to 1648: he was not contemporary or closer to the events in question. See also Origine e Carattere della Nunziatura di Napoli, 1523-1569 by Villani 1958, or the eminent Fonti per la Storia d'Italia: Nunziature di Napoli 1962.
A ntv (
talk)
22:33, 26 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose (1) Brevity is a virtue for categories (2) there is no room for ambiguity, since the Pope did not send multiple ambassadors to the same place. This is in addition to the issues others have raised.
Peterkingiron (
talk)
15:39, 23 October 2016 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: in order to consider an alternative that would create consistency the other way
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –
FayenaticLondon21:56, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
While re-reading the earlier discussion I think we shouldn't change anything, per explanation of
User:A ntv. As for the option of renaming "Kingdom of Naples," presumably that should only be done if applied to the whole category tree; and besides in that case "Naples (kingdom)" would be preferable over plain "Naples" in order to avoid ambiguity.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
22:25, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Support original move, keep everything at Kingdom of Naples - brevity is always good in category names, but so are clarity and predictability. In this case I think it's sensible to keep the modern city and the historical kingdom distinct. Also
User:A ntv should note that technically there are no ambassadors to the United Kingdom, they are appointed to the
Court of St James's - but Wikipedia follows the
WP:COMMONNAME and has category names for ambassadors to the UK. Usability is more important than official usage, particularly when it comes to category names.
Le Deluge (
talk)
02:41, 20 December 2016 (UTC)reply
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AEL Limassol F.C.
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Nominator's rationale: The team was commonly known as AEL Limassol (
uefa.com), with a Greek team also called themselves AEL FC from Larissa (which common name was disputed, UEFA use Larissa FC, the club just use AEL, media use AE Larissa and other combination) Nevertheless, the current category system was for the Cyprus club, which should be moved to distinguish the two clubs (a rough inspection, seem most of the wasn't mis-cated).
Matthew_hktc15:13, 20 October 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Politics of the Palestinian territories
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. Although no opposition was expressed to the first, or to the third as revised, the changes would make them inconsistent with sub-cats or parents respectively, so it seems to me that some actual support would be required in order to demonstrate sufficient consensus to make the changes. –
FayenaticLondon22:44, 21 December 2016 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The Palestinian territories is a geographic definition (areas under Palestinian control or partial control as referred by the UN), while the politics certainly belong to the geopolitical ruler of those territories - the Palestinian National Authority. Palestine is too generic, as is currently a disambig page.
GreyShark (
dibra)
16:47, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose the last one which contains "Mandatory Palestine" geography stubs which have nothing to do with the PNA, and several appear to be in Israel not in any area the UN recognizes as under the PNA.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk)
00:29, 15 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose renaming
Category:Treaties of Palestine. This category includes treaties entered into by the PLO, the Palestinian National Authority, and the State of Palestine. Which of these entities entered into the treaty usually depends of which entity was recognised at the time as a valid treaty-making body. There are a fair number of State of Palestine ones currently, and it's by no means overwhelming PNA ones. (In fact, at this stage, it's probably majority State of Palestine treaties.) It seems that the ambiguity here is helpful.
Good Ol’factory(talk)02:49, 17 November 2016 (UTC)reply
That would probably be better. But, of course, several of them are treaties agreed to by the PLO or the PNA, with no claim even by Palestine that it was entering the agreement as a "State of Palestine", which is why I would support the status quo, since it accurately covers all three possible contingencies.
Good Ol’factory(talk)02:11, 19 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Wikipedian interested in football in Armenia
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Category:Customer experience management
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Merge Per Nom for Now The main article is
Nova Scotian Settlers so the category names should blindly match and this one article category isn't serving a navigational function. All that being said, I think the article should be renamed to add the "(Sierra Leone)" clarification since many readers would not expect the African connection.
RevelationDirect (
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03:12, 27 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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