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Nominator's rationale:Hacker convention redirects to
computer security conference, so until that changes, this should be a single category. In any case currently the two categories are being used interchangeably. The merger should be this way around because it's currently the parent, and also because "hacker" is ambiguous. ··
gracefool💬22:24, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Weak agree: I understand what the intent of having two separate categories is, but it's mostly confusing and ambiguous. 'Hacker' is broader than computer security (e.g. electronics hackers), but that isn't taken into account in the current category structure either. Putting these articles in a single pile may not be a good solution, but until somebody comes up with something better (clearer), I personally prefer that situation to the current one. --
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Idol (Swedish TV series) by year
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Nominator's rationale: I believe these categories should all be deleted as there is no need to categorise contestants by each year. Each contestant is already in
Category:Idol (Swedish TV series) participants, and each season is already in
Category:Idol (Swedish TV series), as well as the appropriate subcategory of
Category:Years in Swedish television. There may also be presenters and/or judges categorised in these, and they shouldn't be included per
WP:PERFCAT. I haven't seen any other TV series with categories like these, other than those with several episodes, but certainly not any talent shows. So for those reasons, these categories should be deleted.
anemoneprojectors18:13, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
DElete -- These seem to be typical PERFCAT. If there are not articles on each season, they may need listifying before deletion. A parent category for all the series should be kept to house such articles.
Peterkingiron (
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15:28, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete Grouping contestants by season isn't common and, in this case, it seems to make navigation harder by splitting contestants into subcategories that aren't obvious.
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03:25, 27 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Drew Holcomb and The Neighbors albums
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Keep per
MOS:ALBUM (a category for an artist's albums should be created even if they have only released one album ) and
WP:SMALLCAT (part of a large overall accepted category scheme). Come on, Walter, I thought you understood this by now. In fact, you only just nominated
Category:Waking the Cadaver albums three months ago. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me22:14, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep – part of
Category:Albums by artist: "note that all single-artist album articles may have subcategories here, even if it's the only album the artist has recorded". The artist is the paramount defining characteristic of an album.
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00:44, 12 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:7th century in Iraq
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Nominator's rationale: Obviously the "7th century in Iraq" category is a twin of the "Iraq under the Umayyad Caliphate" category and historically speaking we should refrain from anachronism (saying simply Iraq is automatically referring to modern Iraq). The people of Umayyad province of Iraq were obviously Umayyad by nationality.
GreyShark (
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13:35, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment - in case this is moved/renamed, we should keep the redirects, as various users tend to systematically restore anachronistic categories. Existing redirects would somewhat reduce such tendency.
GreyShark (
dibra)
11:03, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Support (with retained redirects). However, I am not sure that Umayyad should be used as a nationality, though I am not sure what to suggest instead. Iraq is grossly anachronistic.
Peterkingiron (
talk)
15:31, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment: The proposed categories refer to a part or province (?) of the
Umayyad Caliphate which lasted from 661 CE to 750 CE and eventually extended as far as the Iberian Peninsula (
Al-Andalus), North Africa and the Black, Caspian and Aral Seas (but not
Tabaristan). Hence it would be better to regard the existing “Iran” categories as subcategories of “Umayyad” categories. There are already categories
Category:7th-century Umayyad caliphs and
Category:8th-century Umayyad caliphs which chould also be subcategories of 7th-century and 8th-century Umayyad people categories. The same comments would apply to the
Abbasid Caliphate (758 CE to 1258 CE) as presumably similar proposals will be made for later centuries.
Hugo999 (
talk) 01:55, 14 November 2016 (UTC) PS: My Penguin Atlas of Medieval History by Colin McEvedy says for AD 1028 that "From the peak of success the Umayyad Caliphate of Spain rapidly descended into oblivion. Civil war between Arabs and Berbers became endemic, and though the Caliphate lingered on till 1031 it was an impotent spectator." Later of Córdoba not Spain. The map shows it in the middle of the peninsula, surrounded by the Arab and Berber Emirates and the Kingdoms of Leon and Navarre.
Hugo999 (
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11:05, 15 November 2016 (UTC)reply
The Ummayad Iraq specifically refers to a province of the Umayyad Caliphate. I'm not sure whether Iran was an Umayyad province as well, or was partitioned between Umayyad Iraq or Umayyad Khurasan.
GreyShark (
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07:52, 17 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Zenit Boyarka
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Nominator's rationale: Article was recently moved to
Zenit Boyarka, so renaming is not eligible for speedy processing. The parent category is unnecessary as it holds only the players category and a stub article about the team. –
FayenaticLondon11:11, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Preserve. The move was not discussed with creator of the article. Zenit Boyarka is a sports school rather than just a football club. The argument about parent category being unnecessary does not make sense to me. It is created for easier navigation and creates link to other related articles.
Aleksandr Grigoryev (
talk)
13:58, 12 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Support, assuming that the name of the team was simply Zenit Boyarka, without "(sports school)" in brackets, then the category should be named like that as well. That is independent of the name of the sports school. Also support deleting the parent per
WP:SMALLCAT.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
13:22, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
DElete both the main article is now at
Sports School Zenit Boyarka. Presumably this is a secondary school, so that we should have an article (but not a category. Since the players appear to be amateurs and pupils, I would question whether the players category should survive.
Peterkingiron (
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15:34, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Water development and sustainability
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Upmerge to
Category:Water and the environment, there seems to be a better 'fit' between "sustainability" and "environment". Currently the category contains a hotchpotch of water related articles and some may need further upmerging. Anyway, surely water develops when hydrogen meets oxygen!
Sionk (
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15:53, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:British anti-capitalists
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Delete per
WP:SUBJECTIVECAT and
WP:NONDEF, these people aren't typically described as anti-capitalist but rather by their occupation e.g. as a politician of a political party, or more specifically as a Trotskyist. No need to merge, these people are in a subcategory of British socialists already, when applicable.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
07:38, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete, certainly don't merge to
Category:British socialists. There are a wide variety of definitions of 'socialist' and few these days are oppose to captitalism. As far as i can see, the contents of this category are already in more appropriate, defining cats.
Sionk (
talk)
15:28, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Plain delete -- All of the people that I checked already has a socialist category, sometimes, English, or Jewish. The two concepts are not identical.
Peterkingiron (
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15:38, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale:Hacker convention redirects to
computer security conference, so until that changes, this should be a single category. In any case currently the two categories are being used interchangeably. The merger should be this way around because it's currently the parent, and also because "hacker" is ambiguous. ··
gracefool💬22:24, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Weak agree: I understand what the intent of having two separate categories is, but it's mostly confusing and ambiguous. 'Hacker' is broader than computer security (e.g. electronics hackers), but that isn't taken into account in the current category structure either. Putting these articles in a single pile may not be a good solution, but until somebody comes up with something better (clearer), I personally prefer that situation to the current one. --
DanielPharos (
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11:18, 12 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Idol (Swedish TV series) by year
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Nominator's rationale: I believe these categories should all be deleted as there is no need to categorise contestants by each year. Each contestant is already in
Category:Idol (Swedish TV series) participants, and each season is already in
Category:Idol (Swedish TV series), as well as the appropriate subcategory of
Category:Years in Swedish television. There may also be presenters and/or judges categorised in these, and they shouldn't be included per
WP:PERFCAT. I haven't seen any other TV series with categories like these, other than those with several episodes, but certainly not any talent shows. So for those reasons, these categories should be deleted.
anemoneprojectors18:13, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
DElete -- These seem to be typical PERFCAT. If there are not articles on each season, they may need listifying before deletion. A parent category for all the series should be kept to house such articles.
Peterkingiron (
talk)
15:28, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete Grouping contestants by season isn't common and, in this case, it seems to make navigation harder by splitting contestants into subcategories that aren't obvious.
RevelationDirect (
talk)
03:25, 27 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Drew Holcomb and The Neighbors albums
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Keep per
MOS:ALBUM (a category for an artist's albums should be created even if they have only released one album ) and
WP:SMALLCAT (part of a large overall accepted category scheme). Come on, Walter, I thought you understood this by now. In fact, you only just nominated
Category:Waking the Cadaver albums three months ago. --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me22:14, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep – part of
Category:Albums by artist: "note that all single-artist album articles may have subcategories here, even if it's the only album the artist has recorded". The artist is the paramount defining characteristic of an album.
Oculi (
talk)
00:44, 12 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:7th century in Iraq
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Nominator's rationale: Obviously the "7th century in Iraq" category is a twin of the "Iraq under the Umayyad Caliphate" category and historically speaking we should refrain from anachronism (saying simply Iraq is automatically referring to modern Iraq). The people of Umayyad province of Iraq were obviously Umayyad by nationality.
GreyShark (
dibra)
13:35, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment - in case this is moved/renamed, we should keep the redirects, as various users tend to systematically restore anachronistic categories. Existing redirects would somewhat reduce such tendency.
GreyShark (
dibra)
11:03, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Support (with retained redirects). However, I am not sure that Umayyad should be used as a nationality, though I am not sure what to suggest instead. Iraq is grossly anachronistic.
Peterkingiron (
talk)
15:31, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment: The proposed categories refer to a part or province (?) of the
Umayyad Caliphate which lasted from 661 CE to 750 CE and eventually extended as far as the Iberian Peninsula (
Al-Andalus), North Africa and the Black, Caspian and Aral Seas (but not
Tabaristan). Hence it would be better to regard the existing “Iran” categories as subcategories of “Umayyad” categories. There are already categories
Category:7th-century Umayyad caliphs and
Category:8th-century Umayyad caliphs which chould also be subcategories of 7th-century and 8th-century Umayyad people categories. The same comments would apply to the
Abbasid Caliphate (758 CE to 1258 CE) as presumably similar proposals will be made for later centuries.
Hugo999 (
talk) 01:55, 14 November 2016 (UTC) PS: My Penguin Atlas of Medieval History by Colin McEvedy says for AD 1028 that "From the peak of success the Umayyad Caliphate of Spain rapidly descended into oblivion. Civil war between Arabs and Berbers became endemic, and though the Caliphate lingered on till 1031 it was an impotent spectator." Later of Córdoba not Spain. The map shows it in the middle of the peninsula, surrounded by the Arab and Berber Emirates and the Kingdoms of Leon and Navarre.
Hugo999 (
talk)
11:05, 15 November 2016 (UTC)reply
The Ummayad Iraq specifically refers to a province of the Umayyad Caliphate. I'm not sure whether Iran was an Umayyad province as well, or was partitioned between Umayyad Iraq or Umayyad Khurasan.
GreyShark (
dibra)
07:52, 17 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Zenit Boyarka
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Nominator's rationale: Article was recently moved to
Zenit Boyarka, so renaming is not eligible for speedy processing. The parent category is unnecessary as it holds only the players category and a stub article about the team. –
FayenaticLondon11:11, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Preserve. The move was not discussed with creator of the article. Zenit Boyarka is a sports school rather than just a football club. The argument about parent category being unnecessary does not make sense to me. It is created for easier navigation and creates link to other related articles.
Aleksandr Grigoryev (
talk)
13:58, 12 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Support, assuming that the name of the team was simply Zenit Boyarka, without "(sports school)" in brackets, then the category should be named like that as well. That is independent of the name of the sports school. Also support deleting the parent per
WP:SMALLCAT.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
13:22, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
DElete both the main article is now at
Sports School Zenit Boyarka. Presumably this is a secondary school, so that we should have an article (but not a category. Since the players appear to be amateurs and pupils, I would question whether the players category should survive.
Peterkingiron (
talk)
15:34, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Water development and sustainability
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Upmerge to
Category:Water and the environment, there seems to be a better 'fit' between "sustainability" and "environment". Currently the category contains a hotchpotch of water related articles and some may need further upmerging. Anyway, surely water develops when hydrogen meets oxygen!
Sionk (
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15:53, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:British anti-capitalists
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Delete per
WP:SUBJECTIVECAT and
WP:NONDEF, these people aren't typically described as anti-capitalist but rather by their occupation e.g. as a politician of a political party, or more specifically as a Trotskyist. No need to merge, these people are in a subcategory of British socialists already, when applicable.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
07:38, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete, certainly don't merge to
Category:British socialists. There are a wide variety of definitions of 'socialist' and few these days are oppose to captitalism. As far as i can see, the contents of this category are already in more appropriate, defining cats.
Sionk (
talk)
15:28, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Plain delete -- All of the people that I checked already has a socialist category, sometimes, English, or Jewish. The two concepts are not identical.
Peterkingiron (
talk)
15:38, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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