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Category:Lists of people from Arlington
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Nominator's rationale: A category for lists but has just one list entry. Standard categorizing is that list articles of people from Foo are categorized 'People from Foo'. As for the subcategories, one should be merged also. The alumni category shouldn't, Being an alumni from a school in Foo doesn't automatically make a person from Foo.
...William, is the complaint department really on
the roof?22:50, 4 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge We only have one list, the two sub-categories are not lists. I am not sure why we would need more than one list of people from Arlington, Texas. However even if we had such, it would still need to use the Arlington, Texas form, since there are other equally notable places named Arlington.
John Pack Lambert (
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00:15, 8 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom, with the proviso that the list (but not the categories) should also be upmerged back to
Category:Lists of people from Texas. Categories like this are not created to hold a single list, nor are categories filed as subcats of "Lists of..." categories — a category like this should not exist anywhere below the level of the state. A state, at least, will have five or ten or twenty cities with their own lists of people and/or some occupational lists, while a city will almost never have more than two ("List of people" and "List of mayors"), and even then frequently only one.
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Category:Cetaceans of Australia
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Oppose deletion, possibly rename/expand. I agree that categorization per country doesn't make much sense for cetaceans. However, deleting the category without adequate replacement IMO goes too far. Many of the articles show that distinctions can be made between cetaceans of the two hemispheres and different oceans, such as the North Atlantic. Unless someone with expertise on cetaceans proposed a better scheme that has been described in literature, we might want to expand the category to cover Oceania, or the
Australasian ecozone in whole. --
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22:12, 4 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Hemisphere-based categories might make sense for cetaceans - and if such categories existed then this should be an upmerge rather than straight deletion. However,
Blue whale, for example, is already in three other geography categories (Atlantic Ocean, Indian Ocean, Pacific Ocean) so I'm not sure that any "replacement" is needed. Note:
Oceania generally refers to land rather than to sea. Note: of the 44 articles about species in
Category:Cetaceans of Australia (currently) all
but one are also in
Category:Cetaceans of the Pacific Ocean. DexDor(talk)06:18, 5 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete. Categorisation by country is a terrible way to categorise cetaceans, many (maybe most?) of which are sea-based (rather than freshwater-based) and have Australian waters as only a small part of their range. If we are going to categorise cetaceans by area, we should base the groupings on water-based categories (e.g. oceans) rather than landmasses. --
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Category:Australian rules football by region
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Unnecessary stub category redirects
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The very nature of the category redirect header is aimed at people that may have tagged an article with the wrong category. But stub categories should never be directly added to an article. Rather, a stub category is populated by placing an appropriate sub template tag in the various articles. So, if a stub template is ever moved to a different category, then all of the articles that use that template will also move (typically within an hour or so).
Every true stub category should have an appropriate header at the top of it through use of template {{Stub category}} or one of its relatives. These all specify "To add an article to this category ...", notifying editors to use the appropriate stub template for that category. As long as editors can read directions, then articles will only be added very templates. And as long as articles are only added via templates, then only the true stub categories will ever have articles added to them. Thus, there's no need to tell users how to redirect their articles -- we did that when we moved the template to the new category.
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It'd be even better if someone could add something to the administrator's directions regarding renaming categories. Something to the effect of -- "If renaming a stub category, after moving the template to the new category, delete the old stub category. There's no need to retain stub categories that have no associated template." Feel free to adjust the wording for clarity.
Dawynn (
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19:26, 9 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment: IMHO
WP:G6 allows instant deletion of the redirect after renaming a stub category by consensus; non-admins may tag them for this purpose with {{db-housekeeping}}. However, a lot of these listed here were manually and intentionally created, some by experienced editors e.g.
user:BrownHairedGirl, so discussion appears necessary in those cases. –
FayenaticLondon16:40, 10 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the ping,
Fayenatic london. I did a quick check and AFAICS from that small sample, the only one I created was
Category:UK MPs 2015-20 stubs, a few minutes after creating
Category:UK MPs 2015–20 stubs. I'm not sure whether there was any purpose behind the redirect other than a hardwired reflex action to create a redirect to an endashed title; but if there was another reason, I have long forgotten it. I agree with the nominator that in general, redirects to stub categories are fairly useless. I don't think they do any harm, but if others want to delete the, then I won't stand in their way. --
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Category:Chinese women archaeologists
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Delete This violates the last rung rule. The last rung rule says we should only create a non-diffusing sex sub-cat of
Category:Chinese archaeologists if there exists other, non-sex based sub-cats of the category. The problem is that at present there are no other sub-cats of the category, and with only 22 articles no reason to create such at this time. Nor with under 300 articles in
Category:Women archeologists are we likely to have enough in specific nationalities to justify such sub-division, even if we did not run into the last rung rule.
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Category:Hierarchical storage management
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Category:Computer storage protocol
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Nominator's rationale: Also merge to
Category:Network protocols and
Category:Network-attached storage. Single article, which is a specific network protocol for storage solutions. Definition of "computer storage protocol" is missing and distinction from hardware protocols and network protocols isn't easy. If kept to be further populated, at least it needs to be plural "protocols". --
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Category:Computer storage cache
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Nominator's rationale:Caching in computing basically always refers to caching one or the other form of "storage". With three of the four pages being already categorized more specifically in
Category:Flash caching products, and the fourth one (
page cache) belonging in
Category:Cache (computing), the category seems completely redundant to preexisting categories. Propose renaming the other category to better accomodate both SSD and flash drives, while getting rid of the unhelpful word "products". An even better proposal for this one would be welcome --
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Category:Computer storage backup and archival
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Category:Current Nebraska Cornhuskers football players
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Category:Lists of people from Arlington
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Nominator's rationale: A category for lists but has just one list entry. Standard categorizing is that list articles of people from Foo are categorized 'People from Foo'. As for the subcategories, one should be merged also. The alumni category shouldn't, Being an alumni from a school in Foo doesn't automatically make a person from Foo.
...William, is the complaint department really on
the roof?22:50, 4 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge We only have one list, the two sub-categories are not lists. I am not sure why we would need more than one list of people from Arlington, Texas. However even if we had such, it would still need to use the Arlington, Texas form, since there are other equally notable places named Arlington.
John Pack Lambert (
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00:15, 8 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom, with the proviso that the list (but not the categories) should also be upmerged back to
Category:Lists of people from Texas. Categories like this are not created to hold a single list, nor are categories filed as subcats of "Lists of..." categories — a category like this should not exist anywhere below the level of the state. A state, at least, will have five or ten or twenty cities with their own lists of people and/or some occupational lists, while a city will almost never have more than two ("List of people" and "List of mayors"), and even then frequently only one.
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21:49, 10 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Cetaceans of Australia
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Oppose deletion, possibly rename/expand. I agree that categorization per country doesn't make much sense for cetaceans. However, deleting the category without adequate replacement IMO goes too far. Many of the articles show that distinctions can be made between cetaceans of the two hemispheres and different oceans, such as the North Atlantic. Unless someone with expertise on cetaceans proposed a better scheme that has been described in literature, we might want to expand the category to cover Oceania, or the
Australasian ecozone in whole. --
PanchoS (
talk)
22:12, 4 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Hemisphere-based categories might make sense for cetaceans - and if such categories existed then this should be an upmerge rather than straight deletion. However,
Blue whale, for example, is already in three other geography categories (Atlantic Ocean, Indian Ocean, Pacific Ocean) so I'm not sure that any "replacement" is needed. Note:
Oceania generally refers to land rather than to sea. Note: of the 44 articles about species in
Category:Cetaceans of Australia (currently) all
but one are also in
Category:Cetaceans of the Pacific Ocean. DexDor(talk)06:18, 5 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete. Categorisation by country is a terrible way to categorise cetaceans, many (maybe most?) of which are sea-based (rather than freshwater-based) and have Australian waters as only a small part of their range. If we are going to categorise cetaceans by area, we should base the groupings on water-based categories (e.g. oceans) rather than landmasses. --
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11:03, 6 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Australian rules football by region
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Unnecessary stub category redirects
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The very nature of the category redirect header is aimed at people that may have tagged an article with the wrong category. But stub categories should never be directly added to an article. Rather, a stub category is populated by placing an appropriate sub template tag in the various articles. So, if a stub template is ever moved to a different category, then all of the articles that use that template will also move (typically within an hour or so).
Every true stub category should have an appropriate header at the top of it through use of template {{Stub category}} or one of its relatives. These all specify "To add an article to this category ...", notifying editors to use the appropriate stub template for that category. As long as editors can read directions, then articles will only be added very templates. And as long as articles are only added via templates, then only the true stub categories will ever have articles added to them. Thus, there's no need to tell users how to redirect their articles -- we did that when we moved the template to the new category.
Dawynn (
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19:22, 9 August 2016 (UTC)reply
It'd be even better if someone could add something to the administrator's directions regarding renaming categories. Something to the effect of -- "If renaming a stub category, after moving the template to the new category, delete the old stub category. There's no need to retain stub categories that have no associated template." Feel free to adjust the wording for clarity.
Dawynn (
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19:26, 9 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment: IMHO
WP:G6 allows instant deletion of the redirect after renaming a stub category by consensus; non-admins may tag them for this purpose with {{db-housekeeping}}. However, a lot of these listed here were manually and intentionally created, some by experienced editors e.g.
user:BrownHairedGirl, so discussion appears necessary in those cases. –
FayenaticLondon16:40, 10 August 2016 (UTC)reply
Thanks for the ping,
Fayenatic london. I did a quick check and AFAICS from that small sample, the only one I created was
Category:UK MPs 2015-20 stubs, a few minutes after creating
Category:UK MPs 2015–20 stubs. I'm not sure whether there was any purpose behind the redirect other than a hardwired reflex action to create a redirect to an endashed title; but if there was another reason, I have long forgotten it. I agree with the nominator that in general, redirects to stub categories are fairly useless. I don't think they do any harm, but if others want to delete the, then I won't stand in their way. --
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17:01, 10 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Chinese women archaeologists
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Delete This violates the last rung rule. The last rung rule says we should only create a non-diffusing sex sub-cat of
Category:Chinese archaeologists if there exists other, non-sex based sub-cats of the category. The problem is that at present there are no other sub-cats of the category, and with only 22 articles no reason to create such at this time. Nor with under 300 articles in
Category:Women archeologists are we likely to have enough in specific nationalities to justify such sub-division, even if we did not run into the last rung rule.
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00:18, 8 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Hierarchical storage management
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Category:Computer storage protocol
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Nominator's rationale: Also merge to
Category:Network protocols and
Category:Network-attached storage. Single article, which is a specific network protocol for storage solutions. Definition of "computer storage protocol" is missing and distinction from hardware protocols and network protocols isn't easy. If kept to be further populated, at least it needs to be plural "protocols". --
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10:28, 4 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Computer storage cache
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Nominator's rationale:Caching in computing basically always refers to caching one or the other form of "storage". With three of the four pages being already categorized more specifically in
Category:Flash caching products, and the fourth one (
page cache) belonging in
Category:Cache (computing), the category seems completely redundant to preexisting categories. Propose renaming the other category to better accomodate both SSD and flash drives, while getting rid of the unhelpful word "products". An even better proposal for this one would be welcome --
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10:05, 4 August 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Computer storage backup and archival
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Category:Current Nebraska Cornhuskers football players
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