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Nominator's rationale:Upmerge As far as I understand, a pelotari is a player of Basque pelota. If we do decide to upmerge, we might want to keep the redirect around since the term is not so well-known.
Pichpich (
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21:01, 15 September 2014 (UTC)reply
Support original and redirect; also, move the Valencian category out of the hierarchy – use "see also" links instead. Players of Valencian pilota are pilotaris, not pelotaris. –
FayenaticLondon18:55, 22 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Stanford culture
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Category:Gastronomy
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Nominator's rationale: The difference between "food" and "gastronomy", which is defined by its main article as "the study of food and culture", seems non-existent or at least not helpful for category navigation. All of the subcategories of "Category:Gastronomy" are in fact already descendants of "Category:Food and drink". --
Beland (
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15:36, 15 September 2014 (UTC)reply
Support merge Contents of the former sit well with the latter and need to divide is not obvious. We already have the food-specific
Category:Foods while the food and drink is covering the sharing cultural aspects of both food and drink.
SFB22:06, 16 September 2014 (UTC)reply
Oppose per
SmokeyJoe and any clear indication that this is going to fix anything. Endorse cleaning up of all of the trees in this discussion to make sure the contents belong and are located in the point of the trees.
Vegaswikian (
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20:21, 22 September 2014 (UTC)reply
Update: I switched the parenting so that "Category:Food and drink" is now the parent of Category:Gastronomy. Gastronomy is the study of food, and everything in "Category:Food and drink" concerns food, so I don't see anything in there that couldn't also be in Category:Gastronomy. Would
User:SmokeyJoe or
User:Vegaswikian care to give some examples or jump in and sort things? --
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21:47, 29 September 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Gastronomy occupation
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Nominator's rationale: The difference between "food" and "gastronomy", which is defined by its main article as "the study of food and culture", seems non-existent or at least not helpful for category navigation. I certainly don't see any subcategories of either that couldn't be in both. --
Beland (
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15:30, 15 September 2014 (UTC)reply
Update - I added an intro to
Category:People in food and agriculture occupations to say "This category includes occupations related to the production, consumption, and culture of food." It already has food writers, nutritionists, and bartenders in addition to farmers etc. so I don't think it's a producer-only category. If the name implies that it is, I think it would be better to rename it. I don't see any need to try to split up producers vs. preparers vs. interdisciplinary experts, especially since those roles overlap (like with chefs who write cookbooks). --
Beland (
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21:35, 16 September 2014 (UTC)reply
I have had a closer look at the tree. The top item is
Category:Food and drink – the headnote there is clear that it is about the consumption of food, not its production, so your new headnote for
Category:People in food and agriculture occupations conflicts with the top category. It is that I was trying to get across. I don’t mind a global category covering every aspect of food but since it is likely to be very big it may be better to separate production from consumption.
Twiceuponatime (
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08:03, 17 September 2014 (UTC)reply
The header on
Category:Food and drink didn't say anything at all about consumption. Looking at the contents, of the category, I see production-related subcategories like Agriculture and Food industry, consumption things like Gustation and Meals, and things that don't break down easily, like Beverages and Food politics and History of food and drink. I changed the header to read: "This category is for food and drinks, including production, consumption, food cultures, and social aspects." to reflect the contents. Does that make sense? I don't see how it could be usefully split. --
Beland (
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14:45, 17 September 2014 (UTC)reply
Which I just changed to production. The other is too broad and in effect has no focus. Consumption has nothing in connection with production. Agriculture is the key term in that title.
Vegaswikian1 (
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17:42, 17 September 2014 (UTC)reply
The header on
Category:Food and drink has ‘Food is any substance normally eaten or drunk by living organisms.’ To me that is about consumption. I think we may be talking at cross purposes over the word ‘production’. To me that means the production of the raw materials; I think you are using it to mean the preparation of those raw materials (for later consumption). Eg I would not have
Beekeepers in with
Chefs. The first is producing
Honey and the second is preparing it ready for consumption. I just worry about ending up with a category that is so extensive it becomes unworkable. Although I do have to concede that there will be a lot of grey areas in the middle.
Twiceuponatime (
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08:18, 18 September 2014 (UTC)reply
If you're worried about that a category that combines production, preparation, consumption, and culture,
Category:Food and drink already is that category, and it does not seem unworkable to me. It only has 40 subcategories, and neatly contains anything you might want to know about the whole end-to-end process of where food comes from and where it goes and how people feel about that. If you think
Category:People in food and agriculture occupations should be narrowed to include only food production, then I agree it would need a name change. But we would also need to create another category for chefs and food writers and sommeliers and bartenders,
Category:People in food distribution, preparation, and culture? Or make smaller categories for people in food distribution, people in food preparation, and people in food culture? The existing
Category:People in food and agriculture occupations only has 31 subcategories, and after cleaning will have no articles. I don't really see the need to split it up; it seems like that would just make things harder to find, and I like how you get an overview of occupations for the whole industry at once right now, rather than small slices of it. --
Beland (
talk)
15:35, 18 September 2014 (UTC)reply
Look categories per
WP:CAT should be focused, and not so broad they include unfocused areas. Also having a category that covers a food writer, author, chief and how knows what else are not the way to go. Each of those should have a category and those would be used for the people. It is normal to have multiple categories for a person.
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17:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Awards by Stanford University
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Besides being oddly named, the only article here is about an award jointly awarded by a group at each of two universities. Not sure that qualifies as being awarded by the school. An alternative to deletion would be to upmerge to
Category:Stanford University. The rest of the subcategories in the awards parent probably need to be checked to see if they have the same flaws.
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09:15, 15 September 2014 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale:Upmerge As far as I understand, a pelotari is a player of Basque pelota. If we do decide to upmerge, we might want to keep the redirect around since the term is not so well-known.
Pichpich (
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21:01, 15 September 2014 (UTC)reply
Support original and redirect; also, move the Valencian category out of the hierarchy – use "see also" links instead. Players of Valencian pilota are pilotaris, not pelotaris. –
FayenaticLondon18:55, 22 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Gastronomy
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Nominator's rationale: The difference between "food" and "gastronomy", which is defined by its main article as "the study of food and culture", seems non-existent or at least not helpful for category navigation. All of the subcategories of "Category:Gastronomy" are in fact already descendants of "Category:Food and drink". --
Beland (
talk)
15:36, 15 September 2014 (UTC)reply
Support merge Contents of the former sit well with the latter and need to divide is not obvious. We already have the food-specific
Category:Foods while the food and drink is covering the sharing cultural aspects of both food and drink.
SFB22:06, 16 September 2014 (UTC)reply
Oppose per
SmokeyJoe and any clear indication that this is going to fix anything. Endorse cleaning up of all of the trees in this discussion to make sure the contents belong and are located in the point of the trees.
Vegaswikian (
talk)
20:21, 22 September 2014 (UTC)reply
Update: I switched the parenting so that "Category:Food and drink" is now the parent of Category:Gastronomy. Gastronomy is the study of food, and everything in "Category:Food and drink" concerns food, so I don't see anything in there that couldn't also be in Category:Gastronomy. Would
User:SmokeyJoe or
User:Vegaswikian care to give some examples or jump in and sort things? --
Beland (
talk)
21:47, 29 September 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Gastronomy occupation
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Nominator's rationale: The difference between "food" and "gastronomy", which is defined by its main article as "the study of food and culture", seems non-existent or at least not helpful for category navigation. I certainly don't see any subcategories of either that couldn't be in both. --
Beland (
talk)
15:30, 15 September 2014 (UTC)reply
Update - I added an intro to
Category:People in food and agriculture occupations to say "This category includes occupations related to the production, consumption, and culture of food." It already has food writers, nutritionists, and bartenders in addition to farmers etc. so I don't think it's a producer-only category. If the name implies that it is, I think it would be better to rename it. I don't see any need to try to split up producers vs. preparers vs. interdisciplinary experts, especially since those roles overlap (like with chefs who write cookbooks). --
Beland (
talk)
21:35, 16 September 2014 (UTC)reply
I have had a closer look at the tree. The top item is
Category:Food and drink – the headnote there is clear that it is about the consumption of food, not its production, so your new headnote for
Category:People in food and agriculture occupations conflicts with the top category. It is that I was trying to get across. I don’t mind a global category covering every aspect of food but since it is likely to be very big it may be better to separate production from consumption.
Twiceuponatime (
talk)
08:03, 17 September 2014 (UTC)reply
The header on
Category:Food and drink didn't say anything at all about consumption. Looking at the contents, of the category, I see production-related subcategories like Agriculture and Food industry, consumption things like Gustation and Meals, and things that don't break down easily, like Beverages and Food politics and History of food and drink. I changed the header to read: "This category is for food and drinks, including production, consumption, food cultures, and social aspects." to reflect the contents. Does that make sense? I don't see how it could be usefully split. --
Beland (
talk)
14:45, 17 September 2014 (UTC)reply
Which I just changed to production. The other is too broad and in effect has no focus. Consumption has nothing in connection with production. Agriculture is the key term in that title.
Vegaswikian1 (
talk)
17:42, 17 September 2014 (UTC)reply
The header on
Category:Food and drink has ‘Food is any substance normally eaten or drunk by living organisms.’ To me that is about consumption. I think we may be talking at cross purposes over the word ‘production’. To me that means the production of the raw materials; I think you are using it to mean the preparation of those raw materials (for later consumption). Eg I would not have
Beekeepers in with
Chefs. The first is producing
Honey and the second is preparing it ready for consumption. I just worry about ending up with a category that is so extensive it becomes unworkable. Although I do have to concede that there will be a lot of grey areas in the middle.
Twiceuponatime (
talk)
08:18, 18 September 2014 (UTC)reply
If you're worried about that a category that combines production, preparation, consumption, and culture,
Category:Food and drink already is that category, and it does not seem unworkable to me. It only has 40 subcategories, and neatly contains anything you might want to know about the whole end-to-end process of where food comes from and where it goes and how people feel about that. If you think
Category:People in food and agriculture occupations should be narrowed to include only food production, then I agree it would need a name change. But we would also need to create another category for chefs and food writers and sommeliers and bartenders,
Category:People in food distribution, preparation, and culture? Or make smaller categories for people in food distribution, people in food preparation, and people in food culture? The existing
Category:People in food and agriculture occupations only has 31 subcategories, and after cleaning will have no articles. I don't really see the need to split it up; it seems like that would just make things harder to find, and I like how you get an overview of occupations for the whole industry at once right now, rather than small slices of it. --
Beland (
talk)
15:35, 18 September 2014 (UTC)reply
Look categories per
WP:CAT should be focused, and not so broad they include unfocused areas. Also having a category that covers a food writer, author, chief and how knows what else are not the way to go. Each of those should have a category and those would be used for the people. It is normal to have multiple categories for a person.
Vegaswikian1 (
talk)
17:39, 18 September 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Awards by Stanford University
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Besides being oddly named, the only article here is about an award jointly awarded by a group at each of two universities. Not sure that qualifies as being awarded by the school. An alternative to deletion would be to upmerge to
Category:Stanford University. The rest of the subcategories in the awards parent probably need to be checked to see if they have the same flaws.
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09:15, 15 September 2014 (UTC)reply
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