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Category:Marcia Hines
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Through numerous precedent and
WP:OC#Eponymous, this category is an unnecessary parent to the artist's songs and albums categories, as all articles are also already linkable directly from the main article at
Marcia Hines. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me22:13, 10 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete There is insufficient material to warrant this kind of category. Subcategory information is better explored through the songs or albums tree. Still, I think we need to make better use of {{Category see also}} between artists' songs and albums categories, which will make categories like the above one entirely redundant navigation-wise.
SFB22:17, 12 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fictional slave owners
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Delete not defining. If Jabba the Hutt is a fictional slave owner for having non-human slaves, perhaps every animal owner is a slave owner for having their animal. The trivialization of slavery is a serious matter, and this category does much to perpetuate the myth that it isn't/wasn't so bad.
Carlossuarez46 (
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01:40, 11 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep but Purge so that the category only includes
Watto,
Mongul,
Mojo (comics),
Apocalypse (comics) and
Jabba the Hutt as these article all clearly articulate that they held slaves as a key piece of their identity. The others either "enslaved" a population as an expression, or a passing reference to slaves, or absolutely no reference to slavery. No opinion on the actual nomination to rename the article.
RevelationDirect (
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02:24, 12 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete as non-defining and, furthermore, not categorization of fictional characters by occupation (owning slaves is not an occupation). A character who owns slaves could be defined by what he/she/it does to/with those slaves, but I cannot think of any character (and there are none in the category) defined by the mere fact of owning slaves. I think that
Category:Fictional slave traders has more potential. --
Black Falcon(
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Category:Automotive cultural pioneers
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Nominator's rationale: Category is too broadly characterized. Head is: "A category for individuals who have significantly influenced the culture of automobile ownership along with driving, through automotive media, customization or services for automobiles." That could apply to hundreds of bios, many of which don't have anything in common with each other. The Magliozzi brothers and auto customizers don't belong in the same category. At the very least, the scope of the category needs to be redefined. pbp17:41, 10 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Afri
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Category:Born in Buchach
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Merge Using "From" is preferable as the defining aspect is mostly to do with an identity association with a place. A large number of people were born in places other than those they grew up in and have much more significant associations with. One obvious point is that in rich countries babies tend to be born in hospitals or clinics and many places (where those people later grow and thrive) don't have those facilities.
SFB22:33, 12 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fauna of the United States by state
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Rationalle: Fauna ranges don't recognize the state borders, I see no reason why these are defining for these animals. Note that Hawaii was left out intentionally.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu13:12, 10 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment I sympathize with the nominator's desire for simplification. However, by that logic fauna by country categories shouldn't exist either, as animals don't respect political boundries of any kind (especially in places with many small countries close togher [i.e. Europe]). I like consistancy. Keep "by state" or get rid of "by country". --
Kevlar (
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23:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Upmerge/listify as appropriate Fauna by American state is very useful information, but categories are a disruptive way to gather this information (
brown rat anyone?). I believe fauna are better categorised by landmasses or bodies of water, where appropriate, as that better follows how animal territories are formed (i.e. not on a human border basis).
SFB22:38, 12 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep as container categories, and either purge individual species or move them into an "Endemic" sub-cat where appropriate. Otherwise, if not kept, selectively upmerge sub-cats and lists to appropriate parents by state e.g. "Biota/Natural history of Foo". The nomination would remove the sub-cats of the nominated categories from the state hierarchies, e.g.
Category:Endemic fauna of Arizona from
Category:Natural history of Arizona, which is presumably not intended. (The latter category also needs to be converted to a container category, but that's another matter.) –
FayenaticLondon17:41, 14 November 2014 (UTC)reply
If deleting fauna by state categories does become the consensus, then please merge their articles into their parent subregion's cat, such as
Category:Fauna of the Southwestern United States, and not just into
Category:Fauna of the United States as nominated here. The United States is too large, and too diverse in ecoregions/subecoregions, to dump every regionally distributed animal into the cross−continental scale
Category:Fauna of the United States and have the articles be useful or findable, beyond biologists' "by genera/familia" searches.
If a consensus to merge does occur, please exempt
Category:Fauna of Hawaii and
Category:Fauna of California from extinction by merges, as both are
biodiveristy hotspots with numerous species beyond their endemic fauna crucial to their ecology (and often endangered/threatened), making research at the geopolitical state level most useful.
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Category:Marcia Hines
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Through numerous precedent and
WP:OC#Eponymous, this category is an unnecessary parent to the artist's songs and albums categories, as all articles are also already linkable directly from the main article at
Marcia Hines. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me22:13, 10 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete There is insufficient material to warrant this kind of category. Subcategory information is better explored through the songs or albums tree. Still, I think we need to make better use of {{Category see also}} between artists' songs and albums categories, which will make categories like the above one entirely redundant navigation-wise.
SFB22:17, 12 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fictional slave owners
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Delete not defining. If Jabba the Hutt is a fictional slave owner for having non-human slaves, perhaps every animal owner is a slave owner for having their animal. The trivialization of slavery is a serious matter, and this category does much to perpetuate the myth that it isn't/wasn't so bad.
Carlossuarez46 (
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01:40, 11 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep but Purge so that the category only includes
Watto,
Mongul,
Mojo (comics),
Apocalypse (comics) and
Jabba the Hutt as these article all clearly articulate that they held slaves as a key piece of their identity. The others either "enslaved" a population as an expression, or a passing reference to slaves, or absolutely no reference to slavery. No opinion on the actual nomination to rename the article.
RevelationDirect (
talk)
02:24, 12 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Delete as non-defining and, furthermore, not categorization of fictional characters by occupation (owning slaves is not an occupation). A character who owns slaves could be defined by what he/she/it does to/with those slaves, but I cannot think of any character (and there are none in the category) defined by the mere fact of owning slaves. I think that
Category:Fictional slave traders has more potential. --
Black Falcon(
talk)05:18, 18 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Automotive cultural pioneers
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Nominator's rationale: Category is too broadly characterized. Head is: "A category for individuals who have significantly influenced the culture of automobile ownership along with driving, through automotive media, customization or services for automobiles." That could apply to hundreds of bios, many of which don't have anything in common with each other. The Magliozzi brothers and auto customizers don't belong in the same category. At the very least, the scope of the category needs to be redefined. pbp17:41, 10 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Afri
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Category:Born in Buchach
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Merge Using "From" is preferable as the defining aspect is mostly to do with an identity association with a place. A large number of people were born in places other than those they grew up in and have much more significant associations with. One obvious point is that in rich countries babies tend to be born in hospitals or clinics and many places (where those people later grow and thrive) don't have those facilities.
SFB22:33, 12 November 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fauna of the United States by state
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Rationalle: Fauna ranges don't recognize the state borders, I see no reason why these are defining for these animals. Note that Hawaii was left out intentionally.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu13:12, 10 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment I sympathize with the nominator's desire for simplification. However, by that logic fauna by country categories shouldn't exist either, as animals don't respect political boundries of any kind (especially in places with many small countries close togher [i.e. Europe]). I like consistancy. Keep "by state" or get rid of "by country". --
Kevlar (
talk •
contribs)
23:28, 10 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Upmerge/listify as appropriate Fauna by American state is very useful information, but categories are a disruptive way to gather this information (
brown rat anyone?). I believe fauna are better categorised by landmasses or bodies of water, where appropriate, as that better follows how animal territories are formed (i.e. not on a human border basis).
SFB22:38, 12 November 2014 (UTC)reply
Keep as container categories, and either purge individual species or move them into an "Endemic" sub-cat where appropriate. Otherwise, if not kept, selectively upmerge sub-cats and lists to appropriate parents by state e.g. "Biota/Natural history of Foo". The nomination would remove the sub-cats of the nominated categories from the state hierarchies, e.g.
Category:Endemic fauna of Arizona from
Category:Natural history of Arizona, which is presumably not intended. (The latter category also needs to be converted to a container category, but that's another matter.) –
FayenaticLondon17:41, 14 November 2014 (UTC)reply
If deleting fauna by state categories does become the consensus, then please merge their articles into their parent subregion's cat, such as
Category:Fauna of the Southwestern United States, and not just into
Category:Fauna of the United States as nominated here. The United States is too large, and too diverse in ecoregions/subecoregions, to dump every regionally distributed animal into the cross−continental scale
Category:Fauna of the United States and have the articles be useful or findable, beyond biologists' "by genera/familia" searches.
If a consensus to merge does occur, please exempt
Category:Fauna of Hawaii and
Category:Fauna of California from extinction by merges, as both are
biodiveristy hotspots with numerous species beyond their endemic fauna crucial to their ecology (and often endangered/threatened), making research at the geopolitical state level most useful.
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