Category:Burials at Forest Lawn Memorial Park Cemetery
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename - This category is for people buried in any of the related Forest Lawn Memorial Park Cemetaries, but the title fails to communicate that more than one cemetery exists. The name should be changed to the name of the actual company that operates the cemeteries,
Forest Lane Memorial-Parks & Mortuaries, which is also used in the
Wikipedia article on the company. (Note that the company uses an ampersand in their title.)
Dr. Submillimeter 23:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment This category is for burials at the Glendale Forest Lawn. There may be a couple of people that are from other Forest Lawns, but not too many. I agree that the naming of the Forest Lawn categories is wrong (along with the articles), but I don't agree with your suggestion as to how to fix it.
Mike Dillon 07:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
At this point, I don't think we need to create the parent.
Vegaswikian 06:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - I am ambivalent as to whether this category treated as a parent or as a category specifically for the Glendale cemetery (although reorganization is needed if the category is renamed for the Glendale location). Regardless, the category is dysfunctional and needs to be fixed.
Dr. Submillimeter 09:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Burials at Forest Lawn Memorial Park
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename - This is for people buried in
Forest Lawn Memorial Park (Hollywood Hills), one of several related cemeteries with the name
Forest Lawn Memorial Park. The name change is needed to avoid confusion with the other cemeteries named "Forest Lawn Memorial Park Cemetery". which is presumably for people buried in any of the Forest Lawn Memorial Park cemeteries.
Dr. Submillimeter 23:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fictional characters with eating disorders
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The result of the discussion was: yes, it's very ironic to give salt to people with eating disorders.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete and salt - This was on WP:CFD on
2007 January 19. The debate was closed on 2007 January 28 with a decision to delete. The category was recreated on 2007 January 29.
Dr. Submillimeter 22:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete and salt per nom. --
Xdamrtalk 23:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete and Salt per nom, and previous CfD. —
mikedk9109SIGN 23:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete and salt recreation.
Doczilla 03:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - How long does it take to delete an obvious recreation like this? Shouldn't WP:CFD have a speedy deletion criteria for categories like this one?
Dr. Submillimeter 15:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Swedish regents
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename As it is now, the phrasing implies Swedish regents for any country.
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Category:Swedish Governors-General
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Swedish Privy Councillors
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Italian air marshal
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The result of the discussion was: merge.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge, There has only ever been one Marshal of the Italian Air Force (
Italo Balbo) and, at present, there is no prospect of any more being created. I propose that this cat be deleted and Italo Balbo added to
Category:Marshals of the air force which is for 5-star air force officers who are titled as marshals. (Note,
Category:Air marshals would not be appropriate for Italo Balbo as this cat is for 2, 3 and 4 star officers in commonwealth air forces).
Greenshed 22:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom—no real need for single-member categories like this. --
Xdamrtalk 23:01, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Distinction between "
marshals of the air force" and "
air marshals". Generally, air marshals (ie officers in the ranks
Air Vice-Marshal,
Air Marshal and
Air Chief Marshal) serve in Commonwealth air forces. The Eqyptian Air Force (Egypt is not a Commonwealth country) also appoints officers to the air marshal ranks. The Italo Balbo's rank of Maresciallo dell'Aria is better translated as Marshal of the Air Force rather than Air Marshal as it equivalent to a Field Marshal, not to a General. A good explanation of all this is on the Italian Wikipedia (
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maresciallo_dell%27Aria)
Greenshed 13:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
I have create the category Italian air marshal and I'm agree with the idea of merging this category into
Category:Marshals of the air force.Italo Balbo was the only five star general in the history of italian air firce
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Category:Swedish County Governors
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The result of the discussion was: als0 rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Members of the Cabinet of Sweden
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The result of the discussion was: als0 als0 rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename per conventional title. Perhaps you might also consider adding the following non-standardised sub-categories of
Category:Government ministers by country to the nomination?
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Category:Computerization
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The result of the discussion was: delete.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete, one-man show. There was an article
computerization, which I deleted last night through
PROD.
Chick Bowen 21:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete and move article Since there is apparently no longer a main article for Computerization, and there's only one article in this category, it seems safe to delete the category and move the only existing article into a different appropriate category for the company's industry.
Dugwiki 22:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Created yesterday and no contains a whopping 4 entries... all of whom were curiously enough born in the
United States. This simply isn't a necessary category.--
Isotope23 21:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete First, Wiki tries to avoid categorizing by gender. Second, we normally categorize people by nationality, not by continent. So this category fails on both counts.
Dugwiki 22:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete This category should be named African-American female rappers since all the people in this category were born in America, but since we don't categorize by gender, then I will go delete. —
mikedk9109SIGN 23:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Category:Female rappers. For whatever reason, we do categorize vocalists by sex (see
Category:Female singers and
Category:Male singers) and, absent a reconsideration of that consensus, deleting on the basis of this being a sex-based category is problematic. We don't categorize vocalists by race or ethnicity, so this should be merged to the existing accepted category. Should the female rappers category expand to the point of needing subdivision then it should be done by nationality.
Otto4711 00:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Good point about Female singers, Otto. Assuming Male Singers and Female singers aren't merged, I agree with your suggestion.
Dugwiki 20:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
comment - the reason people separate vocalists by gender is because gender affects voice types, which significantly affects performance within many types of music. --
lquilter 23:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: merge.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge No need to go this in-depth in a category. nn. —
mikedk9109SIGN 23:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Media in Scotland
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: merge.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge 'Left' and 'Right' are difficult terms to define. Perhaps there is some scope for defining groups by ideology ie fascist, communist, concerned with animal rights, etc, but category is too subjective.
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The result of the discussion was: no consensus.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Category:Fictional mutants. The difference between "mutants" and "mutates" is that the former were mutated from birth, and the latter became mutated through something else (e.g. radioactive spider bite). This distinction is not found in biology, it is only made in the Marvel universe, and there only barely. However, many universes have their own terminology ("metahumans", "metamutates", basically everything in
Category:Human-derived fictional species) and it does not follow that we should categorize Mutants by whatever they're called in that setting.
>Radiant< 16:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename To "Marvel Comics mutates" or something similar. The Fictional mutants category has a sub category for Marvel Comics mutants, so why not people who are mutated? As you said there is a diffrence between people who are born mutants and those who were mutated later in life. (
Animedude 23:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC))reply
Oppose the rename as worded. Spider-Man is not a mutant by Marvel definition. If the distinction is indeed made only in the Marvel Universe, we must use a name consistent with Marvel's naming conventions. If they define their mutates and mutants, we can't dub Spider-Man a mutant. "Marvel Comics mutates" makes some sense, although to be honest, it seems unnecessary.
Doczilla 07:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Keep This is a very clear definition and merging would only lead to further confusion.
User:Dimadick
Delete. This term only exists in Marvel, and we should not use Marvel's terminology as the basis for categorization. In theory, for example,
Aquaman is a mutate, but he's not in Marvel, and thus would never gain this term. (In DC, Aquaman's a metahuman, which in theory
Spider-Man would be, except Marvel doesn't use that term either.)--
Mike Selinker 03:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Wasnt Aquaman born with his powers? He gets his powers from being a hybrid atlantian/human. This would make him Mutant, not a mutate. (
Animedude 01:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC))reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Discuss -- it seems to me that all of the subcats here really ought to be articles, not categories. If this were fully implemented it could add many new categories to hundreds of football players. Clearly there's some interest in this kind of information, but I don't think categories are the best way to do it. What do people think? -- Prove It(talk) 15:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Keep I think a typical pre-millenium Super Bowl team should have about 5 or 6 players notable enough for articles. However, each post millenium team may have about 20-30 if not more wikinotable players. I think these categories are valid and useful.
TonyTheTiger 19:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment P.S. each team should also have a template as opposed to a list.
TonyTheTiger 19:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment for now. This would seem to be over categorization. I'm thinking listify or a template would be a better solution.
Vegaswikian 19:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete for now until clarified and discuss at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League What is the intent of this category? If it is to categorize the football teams that won the Super Bowl, then delete all the subcategories and clarify, possibly renaming this to "Category:Super Bowl champion teams". If the intent is to categorize individual football players who happened to play on a Super Bowl championship winning team, then I'm undecided on whether the category is a good idea or if this is a good way to handle it. Either way, the category appears to be prematurely implemented and not clearly defined. I say delete it and discuss a draft proposal on how best to do this, if desired, at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League since they're probably the editors with the most experience on football related articles and categories.
Dugwiki 23:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
If I'm understanding correctly, it would add at least one new category to every player who had had a superbowl victory. If they had had several victories, it could be many more. -- Prove It(talk) 02:28, 2 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete all Categories for single games create clutter, so use templates instead.
Carina22 14:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete Categories by match are over the top.
Osomec 22:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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The result of the debate was mistaken nomination. The {{
cfd}} tag was placed on a section of the article
Brian Gilbert; I have removed the offending section.
Chick Bowen 21:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete, Theatre productions mentioned are mostly college theatre. Theatre company totally unknown. Second film not filmed yet - only one real film production.
81.158.202.199 14:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)Chanelreply
Ah, found your CfD tag--see above.
Chick Bowen 21:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Rivers named for women
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The result of the discussion was: delete.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete, indiscriminate category cluttering up the categories, and encouraging further categories such as rivers named after dogs, rivers named for men, boys named for rivers, dogs named for chairs, cats named for kings. Possible POVPUSH.
Bards 11:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom.
Cloachland 13:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete - This is categorization by name, a form of
overcategorization. The rivers otherwise have little in common and should not be grouped together.
Dr. Submillimeter 14:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete and listify - Categorization by name, a bad idea. Where interesting and relevant lists are appropriate. (And I don't know what the POV is supposed to be (rivers named after women are better? worse? than rivers named after geographical features or men?), but honorary naming patterns are of interest--buildings for instance are largely named after men; Venusian craters after women; and so on. There's often some historical or cultural reason for naming patterns that is, actually, of use to scholars.) --
lquilter 15:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete Every other article in every other category only really has one thing in common. Thats the point of a category. So, I'll go with delete because of
WP:OC. —
mikedk9109SIGN 23:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom, nothing more than clutter really. --
Xdamrtalk 23:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete this clutter.
Doczilla 03:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
In light of Grutness's remark, up my position to speedy delete of recreation.
Doczilla 05:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Native fauna of Texas
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The result of the discussion was: merge.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename and merge if appropriate to "Native fauna of southwest United States or Native fauna of southwest region, North America". As for "native" versus just "fauna", this is an important distinction; I'm not sure whether it's appropriate for a category, but I would be loath to eliminate it at this point without specific discussion about the "native" aspect. "Native ... Hawaii" for instance is not, actually, things just found in Hawaii, but things found in Hawaii prior to introduction of European & African species starting in 16th century. --
lquilter 15:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - My book on the birds of Hawaii uses the word
endemic to describe species originating from and found only within Hawaii. That may be more appropriate. (Note that most of the animals in
Category:Native fauna of Texas may not be considered endemic by zoologists, as they naturally occur outside of Texas.)
Dr. Submillimeter 16:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - obviously that's also an important distinction. i wouldn't want to rename the category until we had a report from someone about how it is currently being used -- native (in hawaii prior to modern colonization); endemic (only in hawaii); actual/current fauna (in hawaii regardless of nativity or endemicity (?)). --
lquilter 17:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - I am very familiar with Hawaiian animals. Except for one, the animals are all endemic. The one non-endemic species is the
Black-winged Stilt; however, a subspecies of this stilt is endemic to Hawaii.
Dr. Submillimeter 17:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - Much of the fauna in the American Southwest is also found in Northern Mexico, mainly because some of the ecological zones (specifically the
Chihuahua Desert and
Sonora Desert) cross the U.S.-Mexico border. While
Category:Fauna of Southwestern United States is better, does it still work? Another point: some of the fauna are not Southwestern U.S. species but are instead species found in the South Central United States (East Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Arkansas). These animals include the
Strecker's Chorus Frog and
Pallid Spiny Softshell Turtle. These animals should not be in a Southwest U.S. category.
Dr. Submillimeter 16:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
that's why there's an east texas & west texas subcat, right? i think if the distinction is not yet made in this fauna category then we should not upmerge to "US" because then we lose the value of the work already done to place those species in texas (southeast or southwest US). --
lquilter 17:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Regardless, classifying things as "from Texas" clearly does not work here.
Dr. Submillimeter 17:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
We're in complete accord that "from Texas" doesn't work for fauna/flora. Just trying to figure out a) what's ideal (I think bio/ecoregions is best); and b) do we go for ideal now, or some intermediate step; and if intermediate, which is best as an intermediate? -- upmerge to US, leave with Texas, or rename to a perhaps not quite right attempt at a bioregion? I have no really firm opinions, but feel that upmerging could lose whatever fine gradations are presently embodied in the category. --
lquilter 21:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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Fauna by state subcategories
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The result of the discussion was: merge.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge into
Category:Fauna of the United States - See the Fanua of the United States by state discussion below; this merge should only take place if that one proceeds. Currently, most animals except for birds in
Category:Fauna of the United States are not divided by type (e.g. no subcategories exist for mammals, amphibians, etc.). If that merge proceeds, then these subcategories should also be merged into
Category:Fauna of the United States. If that nomination fails, then these categories should be left alone.
Dr. Submillimeter 10:31, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename & merge into appropriate bioregions: X of northeast United States, or X of northeast North America; southwest US or southwest NA; western North America. --
lquilter 15:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge per Dr. Submillimeter. —
mikedk9109SIGN 23:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom.
Sumahoy 02:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Lists of video game music
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The result of the discussion was: delete per AFD.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Keep pending afd results If any of the list articles end up getting kept, then this is probably an ok way to categorize them. However, if all of the articles end up getting deleted, then the category would be empty and can be safely deleted.
Dugwiki 23:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment: I anticipate deletion for all these lists. The AfD currently has 10/12 votes for deletion.
Shawnc 08:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Update: The category is now empty. Suggested speedy deletion.
Shawnc 06:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Fauna of the United States by state
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The result of the discussion was: merge the lot of them.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge all into
Category:Fauna of the United States - Although categorization of animals by country is questionable (since animals' ranges have little to do with political boundaries), categorization of animals by U.S. state is infeasible. Most North American animals are found in multiple U.S. states, and some (such as the prolific
coyote and the almighty
house sparrow) are found in every state in the Continental U.S. These two animals as well as others could easily be placed into almost all of the above categories. If the appropriate categories were added to animals' articles, the categories would quickly become an unusable mass of wikilinks. Given that the categorization system plainly is not practical, the entire category tree should be merged into
Category:Fauna of the United States. However, an exception should be made for
Category:Native fauna of Hawaii. This category will only include animals that occur in Hawaii and can therefore be used more realistically. (Additionally, note that additional debate on subdividing animals according to political boundaries instead of natural boundaries may require additional debate. Also note that a similar category tree exists for birds. However, the parent category is currently the subject of a rename debate, so to avoid confusion, any merge proposal on the bird categories should wait for the debate on the parent category to close.)
Dr. Submillimeter 09:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - The Texas category is subdivided into an East and West Texas categories, which also belong in this nomination.
Dr. Submillimeter 10:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - The category on fauna of the San Francisco Bay area also belongs in this nomination.
Dr. Submillimeter 10:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge all per nom.
Cloachland 13:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename and merge into regional variants of
Category:Fauna of North America. If you just upmerge now you'll lose whatever regionality is currently included by proxy of states/state regions. In particular, E./W. Texas & SFBA do have unique fauna and if they're in there, then it would be a real disservice to readers to suddenly have to scan through the "US" or "North America" categories to get them. --
lquilter 15:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - Could you post a more specific suggestion on how to sort these state categories into regional categories? I am uncertain if I like the proposal (as many animals would fall within multiple regions), but it would help discussion.
Dr. Submillimeter 16:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment: As for fauna that fall within multiple regions : By categorization standards we do the most specific cat, so if it's multiple regions (like pigeons) then it should be in only the most specific bioregion cat, e.g., "Fauna of Earth", maybe.
Strongly Oppose. This is one of the most damaging suggestions I've ever seen. This will completely destroy the work that went in to the effort that went in to forming these regional variations.--
DaveOinSF 16:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment: Per Dr. Submillimeter's request I'm essaying a category structure that would fit within the existing category structure
Category:Ecoregions. But I want to strongly second DaveOinSF (and my earlier comment), which is that we should only do non-destructive recategorization so that, where an existing specific category is useful, the value of that work not be lost. Here's a proposal:
Great Lakes, Midwest, Appalachians are other likely contenders. I'm not an ecologist and can't be very precise. I think if it's not obvious (like the ones I've listed so far) that we should have
Category:North American ecoregion and dual-categorize (the political boundaries and the obvious/most specific ecoregion) until an ecology or biology project or some other knowledgeable person can deal categorize most specifically and without unnecessary categories. It is important to dual-categorize, rather than delete the categories, so as to not have destructive de-categorization and loss of the work already put into these. At any rate, the eco/bioregional fauna cats need to be co-categorized with the political boundaries, anyway -- so
Category:North American fauna would need to be linked to the relevant political cats anyway (national & state sovereigns).--
lquilter 17:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - Can we have "endemic" added to those category names? I do not want to see the
coyote or the
house sparrow land in all of them. Also, can we demonstrate that these ecoregions are defined by an external reference rather than made up for Wikipedia?
Dr. Submillimeter 17:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment I agree that categorization by state cleary doesn't work. However, I don't think merging all the north american animals into one big category is the right thing either. -- Prove It(talk) 18:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment If you agree that categorization by state doesn't work, and one big category doesn't either, then what other option is there? —
mikedk9109SIGN 23:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Strongly oppose. Although some state animal lists are more complete than others (i.e. Minnesota). State lists can be valuable information to those state residents wishing to see what wildlife occurs in their respective states or regions. I live in New England, where the states are small. Someone in NH, ME,etc. may want to take a peek at the wildlife occurring in their own state, despite the duplicative nature of the lists. The State Fauna category allows for a further breakdown into more manageable categories, again see
Minnesota. I do agree that listing each species across all animal Classes could get burdensome if listed in this manner under Fauna, but there is value in the Fauna List linking the Animal Classes or regions together, and this far outweighs the bursensome nature of people linking each species to the Faunal lists (any way to limit the Faunal lists to only include regional lists without confusing people?) The American Society of Mammalogists are devising their own state mammal lists for each state, and many organizations have their own state bird, butterfly, herp, fish which shows the interest in these types of lists. Wikipedia is in a unique position since we have the state wikis to link any verifiable state animal lists together to each state. It is a nice learning tool. My strong vote is to keep.
Pmeleski 00:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge Horrible category clutter. If it is important (which is doubtful) write an article for each state instead.
Piccadilly 01:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - See
Category:Fauna of Europe. This seems like a fairly reasonable way to organize animals. On the other hand, some of the national subcategories (e.g.
Category:Mammals of Estonia) appear to replicate many of the animals in a "Europe" parent category.
Dr. Submillimeter 18:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Thanks for pointing this out -- It looks good at a continent & type-of-animal level. But I wouldn't put too much weight on the lack of subdivisions, though; the fact that Fauna of Europe is not divided beyond continent is probably at least as much due to English/North American bias as it is to any decisions based on the best category structure. --
lquilter 18:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
On the other hand, how many categories are needed to indicate the range of something like the
Eurasian Badger? Shouldn't two (
Category:Mammals of Asia and
Category:Mammals of Europe) be sufficient? This and other animals do not need categories saying that they live in virtually every country between France and Sakhalin. Similarly, we do not need a category system that indicates that the coyote lives in every state and province between California and New Brunswick.
Dr. Submillimeter 18:51, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Yes, the Eurasian Badger should only be placed in two (or one--Eurasia) categories, because those would be the most specific categories for that particular critter. But the category system needs to also accommodate critters that live in smaller and more specific regions. Fauna should be placed in the most specific category appropriate to that creature, per
Wikipedia:Categorization; in some instances the most specific appropriate category is continent-sized; in other instances it might be as small as a particular bay, lake, forest, or mountain. --
lquilter 03:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge This system has some use top down, but not enough to justify the damage it does bottom up (ie. from the articles). It also sets an alarming precedent as if these are categories are kept they will promote use of similar local categories in other countries. Some animals might end up in a thousand categories.
Sumahoy 02:42, 2 February 2007 (UTC)reply
oppose we just had this discussion 4 months ago. Trying to delete things without first having useful alternatives is of no value to WP. The problem I saw then and still see is that the contents of the articles do not generally have sufficient information to categorize them by bioregion or really in any other way. Is anyone going to fix these articles so they have sufficient facts? Where are the biologists to do this. I think categories should always based on article facts.
Hmains 04:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - First, a fix was discussed at
Category talk:Biota by country after several WP:CFD discussions, but no one ever took action. Second, most of the subcategories' articles indicate that the animals are located within the United States. Upmerging to
Category:Fauna of the United States would make sense.
Dr. Submillimeter 09:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge all These categories are unrelated to habitat conditions.
AshbyJnr 16:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)reply
comment - If we upmerge to
Category:Fauna of the United States (or better yet,
Category:Fauna of North America), could we include the category name information within the text of the article, in a section called "Regions found"; and note on the Talk: page that this is a temporary fix until there is a full bio solution? Would that satisfy the other folks who are concerned about losing any informational content contained by the state-based categorization, as a temporary solution? --
lquilter 23:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge all State boundaries are irrelevant to science.
Carina22 14:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: merge.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge per convention. --
Dweller 12:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge Per the convention. —
mikedk9109SIGN 22:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Keep Florida is far too big to have just one category.
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México (state)
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename all, so that all categories relating to
México (state) (Estado de México) use the same term in their titles to refer to the political entity (ie the
Mexican state which also happens to be called México). Presently they refer to it in several different ways, which is confusing as well as inconsistent. The proposed renames reflect the nomimal form of the article on the state itself. The rename of the municipalities subcat is also consistent with the way other municipalities by Mexican state cats are formed, ie uses the of not in construction. Note also that the use of the accented char in the titles is entirely consistent with usage employed when naming other Mexican states' articles and categories (eg
Yucatán,
San Luis Potosí, etc.
cjllw | TALK 05:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Speedy rename - The categories should automatically be renamed to match the parent article, especially when the name of the parent article is generally accepted by consensus or is otherwise non-controversial. I had proposed a speedy rename criteria like this on the talk page for this page, but I received no comments, and so I never pushed it forward.
Dr. Submillimeter 09:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Speedy rename per Dr. Submillimeter. —
mikedk9109SIGN 22:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Speedy rename to match article name. --
Xdamrtalk 23:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete, whats the need to create Criminals by ethnicity? See also discussion of
July 19th. -- Prove It(talk) 04:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete It's well-known I support many occupation/identity categories, but that doesn't mean I want them to proliferate without reason. The existence of this would seem to necessitate a bunch of "Blank-American criminals" and I don't think that's helpful. Lastly the only name in it seems to be a rapper and that makes me think some kind of agenda is intended.--
T. Anthony 06:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete - although criminality & ethnicity is an important & studied topic, categories of criminals by ethnicity are definitively not going to be helpful in studying it. The study of criminality & ethnicity/gender/nationality/religion/etc is statistical and quantitative, and the use of categories in wikipedia lends nothing to that. Moreover, while other identity & occupation categories are useful because they serve as barometers of notable persons in those professions, and can reflect social barriers to success based on race/gender/etc; that reasoning completely breaks down for the "occupation: criminals" category -- because what is a "notable" or successful criminal? More crimes? More punishment for fewer crimes? Less punishment per crime? Criminals are notable for all sorts of reasons; often because they are notable for non-criminal activities. So this category is not only not helpful, it is actually, actively, confusing. Delete all "Criminals by ethnicity" categories. --
lquilter 17:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete I can't put it any better than
T. Anthony... this is completely useless.--
Isotope23 20:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete Per WP:OV by ethnicity. —
mikedk9109SIGN 22:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete - Not only is this over-categorization, it's wildly offensive that African-Americans are the only people categorized like this. --
Colage 23:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete Obviously some crimes are racially motivated, but articles about those crimes already can be categorized under, for example,
Category:Racially motivated violence in the United States. Likewise, for cases where a criminal's ethnicity led to unfair treatment by the judicial system or by vigilante groups, there exist racism related categories you can use to sort those articles. And obviously for criminals where ethnicity played no notable role in either the crime or the aftermath, there is no need to categorize those people by race. Thus it seems unlikely this particular category is actually needed and there is sufficient overlap with existing racism-related categories to cover the articles where ethnicity made a difference.
Dugwiki 23:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Keep unless all other African American categories are deleted. Singling this out for deletion is an obvious breach of
Wikipedia:Neutrality.
Piccadilly 01:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
How so? You have to handle categories one at a time, and we frequently delete African American categories as being a random intersection of ethnicity and occupation/status. If you have other similar categories that you think should be considered for deletion, I'm sure we'll consider them equally.
Dugwiki 20:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Mayors of places in Sweden
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename, makes sense to avoid inaccurate 'translations'.--
cjllw | TALK 05:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - well, if we are talking about "inaccurate translations" then I must point out that translating the Swedish "kommuner" to the word "municipalities" is a debateable point! The English language already has a perfectly good translation of the word "kommun" - it is "commune". Why do we use the awkward "municipalities" for Swedish articles, but the standard "communes" for our French ones? --
Mais oui! 08:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename Let's be precise as per nom.
TonyTheTiger 19:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename To match the title in Sweden. —
mikedk9109SIGN 22:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. --
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Category:Australian Gaming conventions
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
The problem I have with deleting this is that the whole area for games needed to be looked at and cleaned up to understand what belongs. I tried a little work on
Category:Games today to see what could be moved down to see if there was a logical way to organize these conventions. Part of the problem is the name for the parent,
Category:Gaming conventions, which is also ambiguous.
Vegaswikian 01:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Another option here is to rename to
Category:Role playing conventions which would increase the scope of the category and allow more members. The by country designation could be added later if needed. I think this makes more sense, so I'm going to modify the nomination to reflect this.
Vegaswikian 01:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename - Probably the most reasonable thing to do with the category. --
Colage 01:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Conflicts
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The result of the discussion was: do not merge.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge, There is already a larger Category:Conflict. I changed everything that was categorized as Conflicts to Conflict since there is no need for two similar categories. --
Jagz 02:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
There should not be a category named Conflict and another Conflicts, it is too confusing. --
Jagz 07:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
I will remove the merge proposal template from the Category but will add a description of the Category to prevent confusion. --
Jagz 17:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose The 'Conflict' category should be reserved for articles on the sociological theory of conflict. The 'Conflicts' should be the overarching category for articles on conflicts that have occurred in history. Look at the categories to which these two categories belong to see the difference.
Hmains 04:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Why not just create a new category called Sociological Conflict or Theory of Conflict, etc.? It can be a subcategory of Category:Conflict. --
Jagz 05:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
I am against the name Conflicts because it implies that it is for articles with more than one conflict. A category with the name Conflict could represent articles with one or more conflicts. --
Jagz 05:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose. This is a perfectly standard distinction between a category that covers everything related to a topic and a category that includes specific instances of it; c.f.
Category:Fire (general topic) versus
Category:Fires (specific instances).
Kirill Lokshin 14:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose and unmerge per Kirill Lokshin.
TonyTheTiger 19:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose merge; Comment - Clearly these should not be merged; "conflicts" is for examples of particular conflicts; and "conflict" is for the theory/study of. However, we might consider possibilities of renaming "
Category:Conflict to render things less confusing. (Even though I agree it is standard to have Topic (singular) / Topics (plural) to distinguish between theory & examples, if there's a sensible way to distinguish, I think we should. In this case we could move
Category:Conflict to
Category:Conflict theory (my #1 choice) or
Category:Conflict studies (my #2 choice), and retain
Category:Conflicts the way it is. (Although conflicts should list as a subset of Conflict, also.) --
lquilter 20:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose Kirill Lokshin put it perfect. —
mikedk9109SIGN 22:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:American English-language writers
Category:Canadian writers in English
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The result of the discussion was: delete.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Pure time-wasting category clutter. There are something like ten thousand plus articles about American writers, of which this contains one. A vast amount of effort has been put into subcategorizing
category:American writers, but it is a huge task and there is still a long way to go. All this would do is recreate that category. It is far more rational to make this category, and others for mainly English speaking countries, subcategories of
category:English-language writers and add a qualifying note that those subcategories may contain a few non-English language writers.
Sumahoy 00:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete - This categorization is not useful, as the majority of American writers have written in English.
Dr. Submillimeter 09:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom.
Cloachland 13:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete If their american, don't they usually write in english? —
mikedk9109SIGN 22:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Not necessarily; are there no American writers who write in
Spanish?
Native American languages?
Bearcat 23:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
They are rare exceptions. What do we gain by adding this category to thousands and thousands of categories.
Pinoakcourt 21:35, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete This is an unneeded intersection of American writers and English-language writers. It makes more sense to fully populate both parents and delete the intersection. I don't think that American writers should be a subcategory of English-language writers. --
Samuel Wantman 21:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Now done. I am also adding a nomination for
Category:Canadian writers in English. I know the exceptions are rather greater in that case, but I think an English-language category is clutter on the articles just the same, and there is no need to have it when there is an easy workaround. The tiny number of articles in both categories suggests that there simply isn't much demand for them and that there is little chance of them ever being fully populated (though full-population would be undesirable).
Pinoakcourt 21:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment Another point to keep in mind is that if this system was extended some people would end up in not one extra category, but six or eight, eg an American novelist/short story writer/poet/dramatist and playwright/literary critic/travel writer could also be categorised in an English-language category for each of those genres.
Pinoakcourt 21:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete both for being almost totally useless.
AshbyJnr 16:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Burials at Forest Lawn Memorial Park Cemetery
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename - This category is for people buried in any of the related Forest Lawn Memorial Park Cemetaries, but the title fails to communicate that more than one cemetery exists. The name should be changed to the name of the actual company that operates the cemeteries,
Forest Lane Memorial-Parks & Mortuaries, which is also used in the
Wikipedia article on the company. (Note that the company uses an ampersand in their title.)
Dr. Submillimeter 23:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment This category is for burials at the Glendale Forest Lawn. There may be a couple of people that are from other Forest Lawns, but not too many. I agree that the naming of the Forest Lawn categories is wrong (along with the articles), but I don't agree with your suggestion as to how to fix it.
Mike Dillon 07:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
At this point, I don't think we need to create the parent.
Vegaswikian 06:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - I am ambivalent as to whether this category treated as a parent or as a category specifically for the Glendale cemetery (although reorganization is needed if the category is renamed for the Glendale location). Regardless, the category is dysfunctional and needs to be fixed.
Dr. Submillimeter 09:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Burials at Forest Lawn Memorial Park
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename - This is for people buried in
Forest Lawn Memorial Park (Hollywood Hills), one of several related cemeteries with the name
Forest Lawn Memorial Park. The name change is needed to avoid confusion with the other cemeteries named "Forest Lawn Memorial Park Cemetery". which is presumably for people buried in any of the Forest Lawn Memorial Park cemeteries.
Dr. Submillimeter 23:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fictional characters with eating disorders
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The result of the discussion was: yes, it's very ironic to give salt to people with eating disorders.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete and salt - This was on WP:CFD on
2007 January 19. The debate was closed on 2007 January 28 with a decision to delete. The category was recreated on 2007 January 29.
Dr. Submillimeter 22:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete and salt per nom. --
Xdamrtalk 23:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete and Salt per nom, and previous CfD. —
mikedk9109SIGN 23:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete and salt recreation.
Doczilla 03:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - How long does it take to delete an obvious recreation like this? Shouldn't WP:CFD have a speedy deletion criteria for categories like this one?
Dr. Submillimeter 15:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Swedish regents
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename As it is now, the phrasing implies Swedish regents for any country.
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Category:Swedish Governors-General
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Category:Swedish Privy Councillors
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Category:Italian air marshal
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The result of the discussion was: merge.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge, There has only ever been one Marshal of the Italian Air Force (
Italo Balbo) and, at present, there is no prospect of any more being created. I propose that this cat be deleted and Italo Balbo added to
Category:Marshals of the air force which is for 5-star air force officers who are titled as marshals. (Note,
Category:Air marshals would not be appropriate for Italo Balbo as this cat is for 2, 3 and 4 star officers in commonwealth air forces).
Greenshed 22:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom—no real need for single-member categories like this. --
Xdamrtalk 23:01, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Distinction between "
marshals of the air force" and "
air marshals". Generally, air marshals (ie officers in the ranks
Air Vice-Marshal,
Air Marshal and
Air Chief Marshal) serve in Commonwealth air forces. The Eqyptian Air Force (Egypt is not a Commonwealth country) also appoints officers to the air marshal ranks. The Italo Balbo's rank of Maresciallo dell'Aria is better translated as Marshal of the Air Force rather than Air Marshal as it equivalent to a Field Marshal, not to a General. A good explanation of all this is on the Italian Wikipedia (
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maresciallo_dell%27Aria)
Greenshed 13:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
I have create the category Italian air marshal and I'm agree with the idea of merging this category into
Category:Marshals of the air force.Italo Balbo was the only five star general in the history of italian air firce
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Category:Swedish County Governors
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The result of the discussion was: als0 rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Members of the Cabinet of Sweden
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The result of the discussion was: als0 als0 rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename per conventional title. Perhaps you might also consider adding the following non-standardised sub-categories of
Category:Government ministers by country to the nomination?
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Category:Computerization
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The result of the discussion was: delete.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete, one-man show. There was an article
computerization, which I deleted last night through
PROD.
Chick Bowen 21:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete and move article Since there is apparently no longer a main article for Computerization, and there's only one article in this category, it seems safe to delete the category and move the only existing article into a different appropriate category for the company's industry.
Dugwiki 22:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Created yesterday and no contains a whopping 4 entries... all of whom were curiously enough born in the
United States. This simply isn't a necessary category.--
Isotope23 21:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete First, Wiki tries to avoid categorizing by gender. Second, we normally categorize people by nationality, not by continent. So this category fails on both counts.
Dugwiki 22:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete This category should be named African-American female rappers since all the people in this category were born in America, but since we don't categorize by gender, then I will go delete. —
mikedk9109SIGN 23:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Category:Female rappers. For whatever reason, we do categorize vocalists by sex (see
Category:Female singers and
Category:Male singers) and, absent a reconsideration of that consensus, deleting on the basis of this being a sex-based category is problematic. We don't categorize vocalists by race or ethnicity, so this should be merged to the existing accepted category. Should the female rappers category expand to the point of needing subdivision then it should be done by nationality.
Otto4711 00:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Good point about Female singers, Otto. Assuming Male Singers and Female singers aren't merged, I agree with your suggestion.
Dugwiki 20:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
comment - the reason people separate vocalists by gender is because gender affects voice types, which significantly affects performance within many types of music. --
lquilter 23:26, 5 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: merge.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge No need to go this in-depth in a category. nn. —
mikedk9109SIGN 23:18, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Media in Scotland
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: merge.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge 'Left' and 'Right' are difficult terms to define. Perhaps there is some scope for defining groups by ideology ie fascist, communist, concerned with animal rights, etc, but category is too subjective.
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The result of the discussion was: no consensus.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Category:Fictional mutants. The difference between "mutants" and "mutates" is that the former were mutated from birth, and the latter became mutated through something else (e.g. radioactive spider bite). This distinction is not found in biology, it is only made in the Marvel universe, and there only barely. However, many universes have their own terminology ("metahumans", "metamutates", basically everything in
Category:Human-derived fictional species) and it does not follow that we should categorize Mutants by whatever they're called in that setting.
>Radiant< 16:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename To "Marvel Comics mutates" or something similar. The Fictional mutants category has a sub category for Marvel Comics mutants, so why not people who are mutated? As you said there is a diffrence between people who are born mutants and those who were mutated later in life. (
Animedude 23:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC))reply
Oppose the rename as worded. Spider-Man is not a mutant by Marvel definition. If the distinction is indeed made only in the Marvel Universe, we must use a name consistent with Marvel's naming conventions. If they define their mutates and mutants, we can't dub Spider-Man a mutant. "Marvel Comics mutates" makes some sense, although to be honest, it seems unnecessary.
Doczilla 07:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Keep This is a very clear definition and merging would only lead to further confusion.
User:Dimadick
Delete. This term only exists in Marvel, and we should not use Marvel's terminology as the basis for categorization. In theory, for example,
Aquaman is a mutate, but he's not in Marvel, and thus would never gain this term. (In DC, Aquaman's a metahuman, which in theory
Spider-Man would be, except Marvel doesn't use that term either.)--
Mike Selinker 03:31, 7 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Wasnt Aquaman born with his powers? He gets his powers from being a hybrid atlantian/human. This would make him Mutant, not a mutate. (
Animedude 01:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC))reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Discuss -- it seems to me that all of the subcats here really ought to be articles, not categories. If this were fully implemented it could add many new categories to hundreds of football players. Clearly there's some interest in this kind of information, but I don't think categories are the best way to do it. What do people think? -- Prove It(talk) 15:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Keep I think a typical pre-millenium Super Bowl team should have about 5 or 6 players notable enough for articles. However, each post millenium team may have about 20-30 if not more wikinotable players. I think these categories are valid and useful.
TonyTheTiger 19:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment P.S. each team should also have a template as opposed to a list.
TonyTheTiger 19:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment for now. This would seem to be over categorization. I'm thinking listify or a template would be a better solution.
Vegaswikian 19:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete for now until clarified and discuss at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League What is the intent of this category? If it is to categorize the football teams that won the Super Bowl, then delete all the subcategories and clarify, possibly renaming this to "Category:Super Bowl champion teams". If the intent is to categorize individual football players who happened to play on a Super Bowl championship winning team, then I'm undecided on whether the category is a good idea or if this is a good way to handle it. Either way, the category appears to be prematurely implemented and not clearly defined. I say delete it and discuss a draft proposal on how best to do this, if desired, at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Football League since they're probably the editors with the most experience on football related articles and categories.
Dugwiki 23:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
If I'm understanding correctly, it would add at least one new category to every player who had had a superbowl victory. If they had had several victories, it could be many more. -- Prove It(talk) 02:28, 2 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete all Categories for single games create clutter, so use templates instead.
Carina22 14:03, 6 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete Categories by match are over the top.
Osomec 22:40, 7 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete.
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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The result of the debate was mistaken nomination. The {{
cfd}} tag was placed on a section of the article
Brian Gilbert; I have removed the offending section.
Chick Bowen 21:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete, Theatre productions mentioned are mostly college theatre. Theatre company totally unknown. Second film not filmed yet - only one real film production.
81.158.202.199 14:29, 31 January 2007 (UTC)Chanelreply
Ah, found your CfD tag--see above.
Chick Bowen 21:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Rivers named for women
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The result of the discussion was: delete.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete, indiscriminate category cluttering up the categories, and encouraging further categories such as rivers named after dogs, rivers named for men, boys named for rivers, dogs named for chairs, cats named for kings. Possible POVPUSH.
Bards 11:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom.
Cloachland 13:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete - This is categorization by name, a form of
overcategorization. The rivers otherwise have little in common and should not be grouped together.
Dr. Submillimeter 14:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete and listify - Categorization by name, a bad idea. Where interesting and relevant lists are appropriate. (And I don't know what the POV is supposed to be (rivers named after women are better? worse? than rivers named after geographical features or men?), but honorary naming patterns are of interest--buildings for instance are largely named after men; Venusian craters after women; and so on. There's often some historical or cultural reason for naming patterns that is, actually, of use to scholars.) --
lquilter 15:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete Every other article in every other category only really has one thing in common. Thats the point of a category. So, I'll go with delete because of
WP:OC. —
mikedk9109SIGN 23:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom, nothing more than clutter really. --
Xdamrtalk 23:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete this clutter.
Doczilla 03:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
In light of Grutness's remark, up my position to speedy delete of recreation.
Doczilla 05:13, 7 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Native fauna of Texas
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The result of the discussion was: merge.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename and merge if appropriate to "Native fauna of southwest United States or Native fauna of southwest region, North America". As for "native" versus just "fauna", this is an important distinction; I'm not sure whether it's appropriate for a category, but I would be loath to eliminate it at this point without specific discussion about the "native" aspect. "Native ... Hawaii" for instance is not, actually, things just found in Hawaii, but things found in Hawaii prior to introduction of European & African species starting in 16th century. --
lquilter 15:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - My book on the birds of Hawaii uses the word
endemic to describe species originating from and found only within Hawaii. That may be more appropriate. (Note that most of the animals in
Category:Native fauna of Texas may not be considered endemic by zoologists, as they naturally occur outside of Texas.)
Dr. Submillimeter 16:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - obviously that's also an important distinction. i wouldn't want to rename the category until we had a report from someone about how it is currently being used -- native (in hawaii prior to modern colonization); endemic (only in hawaii); actual/current fauna (in hawaii regardless of nativity or endemicity (?)). --
lquilter 17:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - I am very familiar with Hawaiian animals. Except for one, the animals are all endemic. The one non-endemic species is the
Black-winged Stilt; however, a subspecies of this stilt is endemic to Hawaii.
Dr. Submillimeter 17:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - Much of the fauna in the American Southwest is also found in Northern Mexico, mainly because some of the ecological zones (specifically the
Chihuahua Desert and
Sonora Desert) cross the U.S.-Mexico border. While
Category:Fauna of Southwestern United States is better, does it still work? Another point: some of the fauna are not Southwestern U.S. species but are instead species found in the South Central United States (East Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Arkansas). These animals include the
Strecker's Chorus Frog and
Pallid Spiny Softshell Turtle. These animals should not be in a Southwest U.S. category.
Dr. Submillimeter 16:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
that's why there's an east texas & west texas subcat, right? i think if the distinction is not yet made in this fauna category then we should not upmerge to "US" because then we lose the value of the work already done to place those species in texas (southeast or southwest US). --
lquilter 17:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Regardless, classifying things as "from Texas" clearly does not work here.
Dr. Submillimeter 17:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
We're in complete accord that "from Texas" doesn't work for fauna/flora. Just trying to figure out a) what's ideal (I think bio/ecoregions is best); and b) do we go for ideal now, or some intermediate step; and if intermediate, which is best as an intermediate? -- upmerge to US, leave with Texas, or rename to a perhaps not quite right attempt at a bioregion? I have no really firm opinions, but feel that upmerging could lose whatever fine gradations are presently embodied in the category. --
lquilter 21:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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Fauna by state subcategories
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The result of the discussion was: merge.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge into
Category:Fauna of the United States - See the Fanua of the United States by state discussion below; this merge should only take place if that one proceeds. Currently, most animals except for birds in
Category:Fauna of the United States are not divided by type (e.g. no subcategories exist for mammals, amphibians, etc.). If that merge proceeds, then these subcategories should also be merged into
Category:Fauna of the United States. If that nomination fails, then these categories should be left alone.
Dr. Submillimeter 10:31, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename & merge into appropriate bioregions: X of northeast United States, or X of northeast North America; southwest US or southwest NA; western North America. --
lquilter 15:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge per Dr. Submillimeter. —
mikedk9109SIGN 23:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom.
Sumahoy 02:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Lists of video game music
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The result of the discussion was: delete per AFD.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Keep pending afd results If any of the list articles end up getting kept, then this is probably an ok way to categorize them. However, if all of the articles end up getting deleted, then the category would be empty and can be safely deleted.
Dugwiki 23:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment: I anticipate deletion for all these lists. The AfD currently has 10/12 votes for deletion.
Shawnc 08:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Update: The category is now empty. Suggested speedy deletion.
Shawnc 06:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Fauna of the United States by state
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The result of the discussion was: merge the lot of them.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge all into
Category:Fauna of the United States - Although categorization of animals by country is questionable (since animals' ranges have little to do with political boundaries), categorization of animals by U.S. state is infeasible. Most North American animals are found in multiple U.S. states, and some (such as the prolific
coyote and the almighty
house sparrow) are found in every state in the Continental U.S. These two animals as well as others could easily be placed into almost all of the above categories. If the appropriate categories were added to animals' articles, the categories would quickly become an unusable mass of wikilinks. Given that the categorization system plainly is not practical, the entire category tree should be merged into
Category:Fauna of the United States. However, an exception should be made for
Category:Native fauna of Hawaii. This category will only include animals that occur in Hawaii and can therefore be used more realistically. (Additionally, note that additional debate on subdividing animals according to political boundaries instead of natural boundaries may require additional debate. Also note that a similar category tree exists for birds. However, the parent category is currently the subject of a rename debate, so to avoid confusion, any merge proposal on the bird categories should wait for the debate on the parent category to close.)
Dr. Submillimeter 09:54, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - The Texas category is subdivided into an East and West Texas categories, which also belong in this nomination.
Dr. Submillimeter 10:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - The category on fauna of the San Francisco Bay area also belongs in this nomination.
Dr. Submillimeter 10:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge all per nom.
Cloachland 13:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename and merge into regional variants of
Category:Fauna of North America. If you just upmerge now you'll lose whatever regionality is currently included by proxy of states/state regions. In particular, E./W. Texas & SFBA do have unique fauna and if they're in there, then it would be a real disservice to readers to suddenly have to scan through the "US" or "North America" categories to get them. --
lquilter 15:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - Could you post a more specific suggestion on how to sort these state categories into regional categories? I am uncertain if I like the proposal (as many animals would fall within multiple regions), but it would help discussion.
Dr. Submillimeter 16:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment: As for fauna that fall within multiple regions : By categorization standards we do the most specific cat, so if it's multiple regions (like pigeons) then it should be in only the most specific bioregion cat, e.g., "Fauna of Earth", maybe.
Strongly Oppose. This is one of the most damaging suggestions I've ever seen. This will completely destroy the work that went in to the effort that went in to forming these regional variations.--
DaveOinSF 16:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment: Per Dr. Submillimeter's request I'm essaying a category structure that would fit within the existing category structure
Category:Ecoregions. But I want to strongly second DaveOinSF (and my earlier comment), which is that we should only do non-destructive recategorization so that, where an existing specific category is useful, the value of that work not be lost. Here's a proposal:
Great Lakes, Midwest, Appalachians are other likely contenders. I'm not an ecologist and can't be very precise. I think if it's not obvious (like the ones I've listed so far) that we should have
Category:North American ecoregion and dual-categorize (the political boundaries and the obvious/most specific ecoregion) until an ecology or biology project or some other knowledgeable person can deal categorize most specifically and without unnecessary categories. It is important to dual-categorize, rather than delete the categories, so as to not have destructive de-categorization and loss of the work already put into these. At any rate, the eco/bioregional fauna cats need to be co-categorized with the political boundaries, anyway -- so
Category:North American fauna would need to be linked to the relevant political cats anyway (national & state sovereigns).--
lquilter 17:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - Can we have "endemic" added to those category names? I do not want to see the
coyote or the
house sparrow land in all of them. Also, can we demonstrate that these ecoregions are defined by an external reference rather than made up for Wikipedia?
Dr. Submillimeter 17:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment I agree that categorization by state cleary doesn't work. However, I don't think merging all the north american animals into one big category is the right thing either. -- Prove It(talk) 18:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment If you agree that categorization by state doesn't work, and one big category doesn't either, then what other option is there? —
mikedk9109SIGN 23:02, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Strongly oppose. Although some state animal lists are more complete than others (i.e. Minnesota). State lists can be valuable information to those state residents wishing to see what wildlife occurs in their respective states or regions. I live in New England, where the states are small. Someone in NH, ME,etc. may want to take a peek at the wildlife occurring in their own state, despite the duplicative nature of the lists. The State Fauna category allows for a further breakdown into more manageable categories, again see
Minnesota. I do agree that listing each species across all animal Classes could get burdensome if listed in this manner under Fauna, but there is value in the Fauna List linking the Animal Classes or regions together, and this far outweighs the bursensome nature of people linking each species to the Faunal lists (any way to limit the Faunal lists to only include regional lists without confusing people?) The American Society of Mammalogists are devising their own state mammal lists for each state, and many organizations have their own state bird, butterfly, herp, fish which shows the interest in these types of lists. Wikipedia is in a unique position since we have the state wikis to link any verifiable state animal lists together to each state. It is a nice learning tool. My strong vote is to keep.
Pmeleski 00:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge Horrible category clutter. If it is important (which is doubtful) write an article for each state instead.
Piccadilly 01:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - See
Category:Fauna of Europe. This seems like a fairly reasonable way to organize animals. On the other hand, some of the national subcategories (e.g.
Category:Mammals of Estonia) appear to replicate many of the animals in a "Europe" parent category.
Dr. Submillimeter 18:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Thanks for pointing this out -- It looks good at a continent & type-of-animal level. But I wouldn't put too much weight on the lack of subdivisions, though; the fact that Fauna of Europe is not divided beyond continent is probably at least as much due to English/North American bias as it is to any decisions based on the best category structure. --
lquilter 18:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
On the other hand, how many categories are needed to indicate the range of something like the
Eurasian Badger? Shouldn't two (
Category:Mammals of Asia and
Category:Mammals of Europe) be sufficient? This and other animals do not need categories saying that they live in virtually every country between France and Sakhalin. Similarly, we do not need a category system that indicates that the coyote lives in every state and province between California and New Brunswick.
Dr. Submillimeter 18:51, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Yes, the Eurasian Badger should only be placed in two (or one--Eurasia) categories, because those would be the most specific categories for that particular critter. But the category system needs to also accommodate critters that live in smaller and more specific regions. Fauna should be placed in the most specific category appropriate to that creature, per
Wikipedia:Categorization; in some instances the most specific appropriate category is continent-sized; in other instances it might be as small as a particular bay, lake, forest, or mountain. --
lquilter 03:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge This system has some use top down, but not enough to justify the damage it does bottom up (ie. from the articles). It also sets an alarming precedent as if these are categories are kept they will promote use of similar local categories in other countries. Some animals might end up in a thousand categories.
Sumahoy 02:42, 2 February 2007 (UTC)reply
oppose we just had this discussion 4 months ago. Trying to delete things without first having useful alternatives is of no value to WP. The problem I saw then and still see is that the contents of the articles do not generally have sufficient information to categorize them by bioregion or really in any other way. Is anyone going to fix these articles so they have sufficient facts? Where are the biologists to do this. I think categories should always based on article facts.
Hmains 04:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - First, a fix was discussed at
Category talk:Biota by country after several WP:CFD discussions, but no one ever took action. Second, most of the subcategories' articles indicate that the animals are located within the United States. Upmerging to
Category:Fauna of the United States would make sense.
Dr. Submillimeter 09:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge all These categories are unrelated to habitat conditions.
AshbyJnr 16:45, 4 February 2007 (UTC)reply
comment - If we upmerge to
Category:Fauna of the United States (or better yet,
Category:Fauna of North America), could we include the category name information within the text of the article, in a section called "Regions found"; and note on the Talk: page that this is a temporary fix until there is a full bio solution? Would that satisfy the other folks who are concerned about losing any informational content contained by the state-based categorization, as a temporary solution? --
lquilter 23:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge all State boundaries are irrelevant to science.
Carina22 14:02, 6 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: merge.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge per convention. --
Dweller 12:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge Per the convention. —
mikedk9109SIGN 22:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Keep Florida is far too big to have just one category.
AshbyJnr 16:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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México (state)
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename all, so that all categories relating to
México (state) (Estado de México) use the same term in their titles to refer to the political entity (ie the
Mexican state which also happens to be called México). Presently they refer to it in several different ways, which is confusing as well as inconsistent. The proposed renames reflect the nomimal form of the article on the state itself. The rename of the municipalities subcat is also consistent with the way other municipalities by Mexican state cats are formed, ie uses the of not in construction. Note also that the use of the accented char in the titles is entirely consistent with usage employed when naming other Mexican states' articles and categories (eg
Yucatán,
San Luis Potosí, etc.
cjllw | TALK 05:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Speedy rename - The categories should automatically be renamed to match the parent article, especially when the name of the parent article is generally accepted by consensus or is otherwise non-controversial. I had proposed a speedy rename criteria like this on the talk page for this page, but I received no comments, and so I never pushed it forward.
Dr. Submillimeter 09:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Speedy rename per Dr. Submillimeter. —
mikedk9109SIGN 22:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Speedy rename to match article name. --
Xdamrtalk 23:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was: delete.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete, whats the need to create Criminals by ethnicity? See also discussion of
July 19th. -- Prove It(talk) 04:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete It's well-known I support many occupation/identity categories, but that doesn't mean I want them to proliferate without reason. The existence of this would seem to necessitate a bunch of "Blank-American criminals" and I don't think that's helpful. Lastly the only name in it seems to be a rapper and that makes me think some kind of agenda is intended.--
T. Anthony 06:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete - although criminality & ethnicity is an important & studied topic, categories of criminals by ethnicity are definitively not going to be helpful in studying it. The study of criminality & ethnicity/gender/nationality/religion/etc is statistical and quantitative, and the use of categories in wikipedia lends nothing to that. Moreover, while other identity & occupation categories are useful because they serve as barometers of notable persons in those professions, and can reflect social barriers to success based on race/gender/etc; that reasoning completely breaks down for the "occupation: criminals" category -- because what is a "notable" or successful criminal? More crimes? More punishment for fewer crimes? Less punishment per crime? Criminals are notable for all sorts of reasons; often because they are notable for non-criminal activities. So this category is not only not helpful, it is actually, actively, confusing. Delete all "Criminals by ethnicity" categories. --
lquilter 17:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete I can't put it any better than
T. Anthony... this is completely useless.--
Isotope23 20:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete Per WP:OV by ethnicity. —
mikedk9109SIGN 22:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete - Not only is this over-categorization, it's wildly offensive that African-Americans are the only people categorized like this. --
Colage 23:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete Obviously some crimes are racially motivated, but articles about those crimes already can be categorized under, for example,
Category:Racially motivated violence in the United States. Likewise, for cases where a criminal's ethnicity led to unfair treatment by the judicial system or by vigilante groups, there exist racism related categories you can use to sort those articles. And obviously for criminals where ethnicity played no notable role in either the crime or the aftermath, there is no need to categorize those people by race. Thus it seems unlikely this particular category is actually needed and there is sufficient overlap with existing racism-related categories to cover the articles where ethnicity made a difference.
Dugwiki 23:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Keep unless all other African American categories are deleted. Singling this out for deletion is an obvious breach of
Wikipedia:Neutrality.
Piccadilly 01:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
How so? You have to handle categories one at a time, and we frequently delete African American categories as being a random intersection of ethnicity and occupation/status. If you have other similar categories that you think should be considered for deletion, I'm sure we'll consider them equally.
Dugwiki 20:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Mayors of places in Sweden
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename, makes sense to avoid inaccurate 'translations'.--
cjllw | TALK 05:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment - well, if we are talking about "inaccurate translations" then I must point out that translating the Swedish "kommuner" to the word "municipalities" is a debateable point! The English language already has a perfectly good translation of the word "kommun" - it is "commune". Why do we use the awkward "municipalities" for Swedish articles, but the standard "communes" for our French ones? --
Mais oui! 08:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename Let's be precise as per nom.
TonyTheTiger 19:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename To match the title in Sweden. —
mikedk9109SIGN 22:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. --
Xdamrtalk 23:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Australian Gaming conventions
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The result of the discussion was: rename.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
The problem I have with deleting this is that the whole area for games needed to be looked at and cleaned up to understand what belongs. I tried a little work on
Category:Games today to see what could be moved down to see if there was a logical way to organize these conventions. Part of the problem is the name for the parent,
Category:Gaming conventions, which is also ambiguous.
Vegaswikian 01:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Another option here is to rename to
Category:Role playing conventions which would increase the scope of the category and allow more members. The by country designation could be added later if needed. I think this makes more sense, so I'm going to modify the nomination to reflect this.
Vegaswikian 01:17, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Rename - Probably the most reasonable thing to do with the category. --
Colage 01:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:Conflicts
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The result of the discussion was: do not merge.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Merge, There is already a larger Category:Conflict. I changed everything that was categorized as Conflicts to Conflict since there is no need for two similar categories. --
Jagz 02:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
There should not be a category named Conflict and another Conflicts, it is too confusing. --
Jagz 07:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
I will remove the merge proposal template from the Category but will add a description of the Category to prevent confusion. --
Jagz 17:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose The 'Conflict' category should be reserved for articles on the sociological theory of conflict. The 'Conflicts' should be the overarching category for articles on conflicts that have occurred in history. Look at the categories to which these two categories belong to see the difference.
Hmains 04:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Why not just create a new category called Sociological Conflict or Theory of Conflict, etc.? It can be a subcategory of Category:Conflict. --
Jagz 05:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
I am against the name Conflicts because it implies that it is for articles with more than one conflict. A category with the name Conflict could represent articles with one or more conflicts. --
Jagz 05:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose. This is a perfectly standard distinction between a category that covers everything related to a topic and a category that includes specific instances of it; c.f.
Category:Fire (general topic) versus
Category:Fires (specific instances).
Kirill Lokshin 14:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose and unmerge per Kirill Lokshin.
TonyTheTiger 19:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose merge; Comment - Clearly these should not be merged; "conflicts" is for examples of particular conflicts; and "conflict" is for the theory/study of. However, we might consider possibilities of renaming "
Category:Conflict to render things less confusing. (Even though I agree it is standard to have Topic (singular) / Topics (plural) to distinguish between theory & examples, if there's a sensible way to distinguish, I think we should. In this case we could move
Category:Conflict to
Category:Conflict theory (my #1 choice) or
Category:Conflict studies (my #2 choice), and retain
Category:Conflicts the way it is. (Although conflicts should list as a subset of Conflict, also.) --
lquilter 20:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Oppose Kirill Lokshin put it perfect. —
mikedk9109SIGN 22:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
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Category:American English-language writers
Category:Canadian writers in English
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The result of the discussion was: delete.
>Radiant< 15:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Pure time-wasting category clutter. There are something like ten thousand plus articles about American writers, of which this contains one. A vast amount of effort has been put into subcategorizing
category:American writers, but it is a huge task and there is still a long way to go. All this would do is recreate that category. It is far more rational to make this category, and others for mainly English speaking countries, subcategories of
category:English-language writers and add a qualifying note that those subcategories may contain a few non-English language writers.
Sumahoy 00:24, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete - This categorization is not useful, as the majority of American writers have written in English.
Dr. Submillimeter 09:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom.
Cloachland 13:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete If their american, don't they usually write in english? —
mikedk9109SIGN 22:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
Not necessarily; are there no American writers who write in
Spanish?
Native American languages?
Bearcat 23:04, 31 January 2007 (UTC)reply
They are rare exceptions. What do we gain by adding this category to thousands and thousands of categories.
Pinoakcourt 21:35, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete This is an unneeded intersection of American writers and English-language writers. It makes more sense to fully populate both parents and delete the intersection. I don't think that American writers should be a subcategory of English-language writers. --
Samuel Wantman 21:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Now done. I am also adding a nomination for
Category:Canadian writers in English. I know the exceptions are rather greater in that case, but I think an English-language category is clutter on the articles just the same, and there is no need to have it when there is an easy workaround. The tiny number of articles in both categories suggests that there simply isn't much demand for them and that there is little chance of them ever being fully populated (though full-population would be undesirable).
Pinoakcourt 21:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Comment Another point to keep in mind is that if this system was extended some people would end up in not one extra category, but six or eight, eg an American novelist/short story writer/poet/dramatist and playwright/literary critic/travel writer could also be categorised in an English-language category for each of those genres.
Pinoakcourt 21:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)reply
Delete both for being almost totally useless.
AshbyJnr 16:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)reply
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