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The result of the discussion was:Relisted as a single group in tomorrow's nomination - tese are all cleaqrly a package deal, along with a previous nomination.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu15:58, 2 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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Sandbanks
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Oppose As a UK editor I think the general UK usage is sandbank; shoal generally being used to indicate shallow water. Note that nearly all the article names include the words bank or sands. No objection to having a category redirect.
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08:54, 3 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Athletics UK NC champions templates
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Nominator's rationale: The meaning of these template categories need to be made clear and should be standardised. Open to any possible variants if any has issue with my choice. All the contents are navigational boxes. To clarify around the British one: the AAA championships had an open, international element for many years so it is not advisable to classify this as the "British Championships".
SFB20:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Wahhabi movement
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Category:People of the Buyid Empire
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The result of the discussion was:Split, Merge and cleanup per the discussion. Consensus is for changing, but someone with more knowledge in the area will need to do the work.
Vegaswikian (
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21:02, 29 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename. The main article for Iran during this period is not
Buyid Empire (that's a redirect) but
Buyid dynasty, and the infobox shows that some predecessors and successors were likewise just "dynasties" rather than "empires". Although
Iranica and
Britannica make passing mention of "the Buyid empire", this is only with a small e. I am suggesting "Buyid people" rather than "People of the Buyid dynasty", as the latter might misleadingly sound as if it refers to the ruling family. Most of the sub-cats are "Buyid xxx". –
FayenaticLondon12:51, 1 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment@
Fayenatic london: I think the proposed name has the exact same misleading problem as you state the "People of the Buyid dynasty" name has – because "Buyid" refers specifically to the people of a short-lived dynasty, it is not very suitable as a modifier. I actually think the use of "Empire" to distinguish the Buyids from those they ruled is a useful and clear option, even if "Empire" is not used very frequently. If "Empire" should be avoided, perhaps a better choice would be something like
Category:People of the Buyid period (
see Britannica).
SFB20:50, 1 December 2014 (UTC)reply
I'm open to dispersing the contents along the lines suggested, but the first 2 that I looked at within
Category:Buyid scholars are from Basra and Baghdad, I.e. within the borders of modern Iraq. One is already categorised as 10/11th century Iraqi people, rather than Iranian. –
FayenaticLondon00:32, 25 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Agree to this as a general principle, but - as mentioned before - this category doesn't concern a former country, it concerns the reestablishment of an ancient country under a new dynasty.
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07:29, 5 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Death with dignity movement
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I'm not saying that your proposed change is not the right one, but the example of the Death with Dignity National Center is not directly comparable—it's capitalized because it's a proper name (organization name). --
Black Falcon(
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oppose My sense is that the death with dignity movement is more complicated than just endorsement of suicide (assisted or otherwise). Indeed, it seems possible that these should be two separate sets of categories which happen to heavily intersect.
Mangoe (
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13:56, 1 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Alt merge to
Category:Euthanasia in the United States. The death with dignity movement is poorly categorised as merely assisted suicide. Many elements of the movement also relate to allowing a person to die without undue medical intervention. The concept of euthanasia covers this idea much more broadly than assisted suicide does. Any thoughts @
HandsomeFella:?
SFB21:04, 1 December 2014 (UTC)reply
I am not happy with the emphasis on the US. In Australia there are various State based organisations called "Dying with Dignity" and they are mentioned in
Euthanasia in Australia. There is also
Dignity in Dying which is UK based. There is also
Category:Euthanasia by country. If "the death with dignity movement is more complicated than just endorsement of suicide (assisted or otherwise)" as suggested above, this category needs to have a more international flavour. So, at least for now, I am for Keep. --
Bduke(Discussion)05:12, 2 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Other proposal rename into
Organizations in support of euthanasia, purge the category by removing individual people and add organizations from other countries to the category. This puts emphasis on the right topic (namely euthanasia), while it avoids the nationality problem and thus also avoids being too specific on the name of one particular movement.
Marcocapelle (
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19:19, 2 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was:Relisted as a single group in tomorrow's nomination - tese are all cleaqrly a package deal, along with a previous nomination.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu15:58, 2 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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Sandbanks
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Oppose As a UK editor I think the general UK usage is sandbank; shoal generally being used to indicate shallow water. Note that nearly all the article names include the words bank or sands. No objection to having a category redirect.
Twiceuponatime (
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08:54, 3 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Athletics UK NC champions templates
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Nominator's rationale: The meaning of these template categories need to be made clear and should be standardised. Open to any possible variants if any has issue with my choice. All the contents are navigational boxes. To clarify around the British one: the AAA championships had an open, international element for many years so it is not advisable to classify this as the "British Championships".
SFB20:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Wahhabi movement
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Category:People of the Buyid Empire
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The result of the discussion was:Split, Merge and cleanup per the discussion. Consensus is for changing, but someone with more knowledge in the area will need to do the work.
Vegaswikian (
talk)
21:02, 29 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename. The main article for Iran during this period is not
Buyid Empire (that's a redirect) but
Buyid dynasty, and the infobox shows that some predecessors and successors were likewise just "dynasties" rather than "empires". Although
Iranica and
Britannica make passing mention of "the Buyid empire", this is only with a small e. I am suggesting "Buyid people" rather than "People of the Buyid dynasty", as the latter might misleadingly sound as if it refers to the ruling family. Most of the sub-cats are "Buyid xxx". –
FayenaticLondon12:51, 1 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Comment@
Fayenatic london: I think the proposed name has the exact same misleading problem as you state the "People of the Buyid dynasty" name has – because "Buyid" refers specifically to the people of a short-lived dynasty, it is not very suitable as a modifier. I actually think the use of "Empire" to distinguish the Buyids from those they ruled is a useful and clear option, even if "Empire" is not used very frequently. If "Empire" should be avoided, perhaps a better choice would be something like
Category:People of the Buyid period (
see Britannica).
SFB20:50, 1 December 2014 (UTC)reply
I'm open to dispersing the contents along the lines suggested, but the first 2 that I looked at within
Category:Buyid scholars are from Basra and Baghdad, I.e. within the borders of modern Iraq. One is already categorised as 10/11th century Iraqi people, rather than Iranian. –
FayenaticLondon00:32, 25 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Agree to this as a general principle, but - as mentioned before - this category doesn't concern a former country, it concerns the reestablishment of an ancient country under a new dynasty.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
07:29, 5 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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Category:Death with dignity movement
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I'm not saying that your proposed change is not the right one, but the example of the Death with Dignity National Center is not directly comparable—it's capitalized because it's a proper name (organization name). --
Black Falcon(
talk)20:14, 28 November 2014 (UTC)reply
oppose My sense is that the death with dignity movement is more complicated than just endorsement of suicide (assisted or otherwise). Indeed, it seems possible that these should be two separate sets of categories which happen to heavily intersect.
Mangoe (
talk)
13:56, 1 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Alt merge to
Category:Euthanasia in the United States. The death with dignity movement is poorly categorised as merely assisted suicide. Many elements of the movement also relate to allowing a person to die without undue medical intervention. The concept of euthanasia covers this idea much more broadly than assisted suicide does. Any thoughts @
HandsomeFella:?
SFB21:04, 1 December 2014 (UTC)reply
I am not happy with the emphasis on the US. In Australia there are various State based organisations called "Dying with Dignity" and they are mentioned in
Euthanasia in Australia. There is also
Dignity in Dying which is UK based. There is also
Category:Euthanasia by country. If "the death with dignity movement is more complicated than just endorsement of suicide (assisted or otherwise)" as suggested above, this category needs to have a more international flavour. So, at least for now, I am for Keep. --
Bduke(Discussion)05:12, 2 December 2014 (UTC)reply
Other proposal rename into
Organizations in support of euthanasia, purge the category by removing individual people and add organizations from other countries to the category. This puts emphasis on the right topic (namely euthanasia), while it avoids the nationality problem and thus also avoids being too specific on the name of one particular movement.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
19:19, 2 December 2014 (UTC)reply
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