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The result of the discussion was: delete. ( NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 00:58, 20 October 2013 (UTC) reply
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Category:Alias (TV series) episodes

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:00, 24 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Redundant to ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.›  Category:Alias (TV series) seasons. Armbrust The Homunculus 21:13, 12 October 2013 (UTC)---- reply
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Category:Croatia under-16 international footballers

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The result of the discussion was: merge all to Category:Croatia youth international footballers. ( NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 01:09, 20 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Under-16 players are never automatically notable. There isn't even an article on Croatia national under-16 football team. Standard consensus is to only have the full internationals in a category, and the Under-21s in another, and no others. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 21:04, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Also nominating the following, for basically the same reason:
The team in croatian wiki [1]. Xaris333 ( talk) 21:07, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Ok, But why the u19, u17 and u20? We have articles about that teams. Croatia national under-20 football team, Croatia national under-19 football team, Croatia national under-17 football team. Xaris333 ( talk) 01:33, 13 October 2013 (UTC) reply
We have. For example Category:Association football players by under-19 national team. Category:Association football players by under-17 national team] Xaris333 ( talk) 16:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Why not??? Xaris333 ( talk) 19:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC) reply
These categories included the notable players that played with the teams. Why not to have them? Xaris333 ( talk) 23:25, 13 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Merge all per Mentoz; same goes for every other country as well. Three categories - senior international, under-21 (or u20 in South America) youth, and other 'youth' - are sufficient. GiantSnowman ( talk) 11:02, 14 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Merge all -- I would have said delete, but other contributors (above) assure me that is not right. I would have expected that most youth footballers did not regularly play for their club's first team and so failed to qualify as notable. If they played for a national youth team and subsequently became full professionals, I would not expect them to remain in a youth category, becasue they once played at that level. I suspect that this is the source of the mischief here. Peterkingiron ( talk) 13:03, 14 October 2013 (UTC) reply

I disagree. I think that these categories can stay. Especially, under 19 and under 17. Xaris333 ( talk) 20:46, 15 October 2013 (UTC) reply

Why to have for u21 and not for u19? Xaris333 ( talk) 23:55, 15 October 2013 (UTC) reply
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Category:Populated places in West Baton Parish, Louisiana

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Since it was speedy-tagged G7 and empty, I deleted it as a C1. Mini apolis 14:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Misspelling of Category:Populated places in West Baton Rouge Parish, Louisiana. It is also an unnecessary level of categorization, since this and its only subcategory are both listed under Category:Towns in Louisiana by parish. Kennethaw88 ( talk) 18:49, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Comment Category is now empty. Kennethaw88 ( talk) 20:48, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
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Category:Alice Munro

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I have added see-also links between the sub-cats for works and adaptations, which should prove sufficient for navigation. – Fayenatic L ondon 22:32, 17 December 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Redundant category. Only includes the main page, a page about the bookstore that was founded by the subject and then a subcategory of their work. The Works by Alice Munro should remain as the main category. Mike ( talk) 16:49, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
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Category:Helvetia Cup

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The result of the discussion was: uperge to both parents. – Fayenatic L ondon 23:13, 17 December 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This category previously contained Helvetia Cup, 2005 Helvetia Cup and 2007 Helvetia Cup. I've redirected the two season-articles to the parent article as non-notable WP:SPINOFFs, but regardless of that we shouldn't have a eponymous categories with only three articles. The page(s) in this category should instead be upmerged to the parent categories. Mentoz86 ( talk) 14:05, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • I don't agree with both: The redirects are not right and the deletion of the category is not correct, too. As European team championships for all but the six best teams in Europe clearly relevant including the articles by year. Keep. -- Florentyna ( talk) 15:58, 13 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Keep -- While we have articles on the biannual competitions, we need a category for them. They are not good articles, due to the number of redlinks, but that is an issue for improvement. If the biannual articles should not exist, they should be subject to an AFD. If that empties this category, except the main article, then upmerge would be appropriate. Peterkingiron ( talk) 13:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Even with the two articles about the 2005 and 2007 competitions, I don't see a need for an eponymous category at this time. The two competitions are clearly linked from the main article, and they in turn prominently link to the main article. The category can be recreated if/when more content exists. -- Black Falcon ( talk) 04:37, 25 November 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Delete on the whole, per BF. Johnbod ( talk) 21:09, 7 December 2013 (UTC) reply
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English pope(s)

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The result of the discussion was: keep. ( NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 15:44, 19 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The title is grammatically incorrect: it should say "English pope". Over-categorisation and Small. Very unlikely that the English will produce another pope any time soon. Even two would still be too small. Frankly, the first did enough damage, but that's a different story. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 13:48, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Actually, probably a better analogy is to cardinals. Roman Catholic bishops are responsible for a specific geographical area. Edward Dube, the one person in the category I mentioned above, as a general authority has authority over the whole church. True, he is also a counselor in the Africa West Area Presidency (which covers essentially from Nigeria to Liberia along the coast, as well as overseeing a few scattered people in Mali and a few other inland countries), but as a member of the first quorum of the 70 he has oversight over the whole church, thus his speaking at general conference just over a week ago. Thus this is similar to how we have Category:Zambian cardinals, which also only has one entry. When the episcopal diocese of Utah has 6,000 members but the Roman Catholic Diocese of Salt Lake City has 150,000 members, the idea that Catholic and Anglican bishops are equivalent needs to be not over stated. Additionally, in the example of Dube his current assignment to the Africa West Area is less permanent than his position as a general authority. Carlos Amabado for example has been assigned to Chile, Central America and a few other areas over the time he has been a general authority. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:29, 14 October 2013 (UTC) reply
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Years in Thailand

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The result of the discussion was: Rename as most of the other discussions. Please note that to do these renames, the inline templates need to be updated by me manually. So some of these will need to wait since I'm done for the day. If I don't get them done in 24 hours, leave me a note. Vegaswikian ( talk) 06:23, 19 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Rest of nomination
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Thailand was called Siam before 1939 Tim! ( talk) 08:56, 12

October 2013 (UTC)

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Category:Unsolved murders in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic L ondon 23:18, 17 December 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Murder is pronounced by a court of law. Hence if unresolved no such pronouncement will have been made. Mootros ( talk) 07:33, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Question does US law operate similarly to other nations in which a death can be declared to be a murder by a coroner's court, but remain unsolved as to who the perpetrator was? Beeswaxcandle ( talk) 08:15, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
    • Nice subtle point! In England and Wales, such a pronouncement would be called unlawful killing. This would be a form of "solved" as it is a legal verdict, even if no individual was found guilty. However, perusing this cat, I suspect that 99% of the article would not be related to this. The situation in the US is even more complex, as coroners are not judicial officer; the closest would be quasi-judicial appointments in some states, where as in others they are "merely" medical practitioners. Hence a "pronouncement" by a coroner in the US might legally be seen as either suspicion or evidence, but not (unlike in England) as a verdict as such. Mootros ( talk) 15:38, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
    • As I recall, the coroner may rule that the manner of a death is a homicide. The legal system takes that and the cause of death and determines that it was a murder. Rules vary by state. Coroners generally just determine the cause and manner of death and don't get involved in determining if there was a crime (murder). Our best starting link is probably this. Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:53, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Support - "Unsolved murders" is, by default, a BLP violation. An "unsolved murder" can turn out to be an assisted suicide, manslaughter, accidental death, or anything like that. Therefore, the proposed category name makes more sense. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 07:25, 14 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Rename instead to Category:Unsolved suspicious deaths in the United States. The UK practice used to be that the coroner's jury would commit the suspected murderer for trial, but we have abandoned grand juries and juries in most civil cases. The result was that the press was implying that people had been convicted by a jury, when the jury had only decided to indict them. This was seen to be prejudicing fair trials. The coroner's hearing now usually follows the murder trial, which means that it is often long delayed (which is bad). The difficult cases are ones where the prosecution authorities thought it was a lawful homicide, but the coroner's jury disagrees. The procedure on this will vary a lot from country to country. Peterkingiron ( talk) 13:29, 14 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Rename per nom. "suspicious" as raised by Peterkingiron above leads to the "by whom" no doubt, Elvis' and JFK's deaths are suspicious to some; as was Liberace's for some time, and Anna Nicole Smith's, etc. And of course, we're presuming deaths in some disappearances: Jimmy Hoffa? Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 06:28, 15 October 2013 (UTC) reply
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October 12

Jewish poker players

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The result of the discussion was: delete. ( NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 00:58, 20 October 2013 (UTC) reply
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Category:Alias (TV series) episodes

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:00, 24 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Redundant to ‹The template Cat is being considered for merging.›  Category:Alias (TV series) seasons. Armbrust The Homunculus 21:13, 12 October 2013 (UTC)---- reply
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Category:Croatia under-16 international footballers

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The result of the discussion was: merge all to Category:Croatia youth international footballers. ( NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 01:09, 20 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Under-16 players are never automatically notable. There isn't even an article on Croatia national under-16 football team. Standard consensus is to only have the full internationals in a category, and the Under-21s in another, and no others. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 21:04, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Also nominating the following, for basically the same reason:
The team in croatian wiki [1]. Xaris333 ( talk) 21:07, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Ok, But why the u19, u17 and u20? We have articles about that teams. Croatia national under-20 football team, Croatia national under-19 football team, Croatia national under-17 football team. Xaris333 ( talk) 01:33, 13 October 2013 (UTC) reply
We have. For example Category:Association football players by under-19 national team. Category:Association football players by under-17 national team] Xaris333 ( talk) 16:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Why not??? Xaris333 ( talk) 19:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC) reply
These categories included the notable players that played with the teams. Why not to have them? Xaris333 ( talk) 23:25, 13 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Merge all per Mentoz; same goes for every other country as well. Three categories - senior international, under-21 (or u20 in South America) youth, and other 'youth' - are sufficient. GiantSnowman ( talk) 11:02, 14 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Merge all -- I would have said delete, but other contributors (above) assure me that is not right. I would have expected that most youth footballers did not regularly play for their club's first team and so failed to qualify as notable. If they played for a national youth team and subsequently became full professionals, I would not expect them to remain in a youth category, becasue they once played at that level. I suspect that this is the source of the mischief here. Peterkingiron ( talk) 13:03, 14 October 2013 (UTC) reply

I disagree. I think that these categories can stay. Especially, under 19 and under 17. Xaris333 ( talk) 20:46, 15 October 2013 (UTC) reply

Why to have for u21 and not for u19? Xaris333 ( talk) 23:55, 15 October 2013 (UTC) reply
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Category:Populated places in West Baton Parish, Louisiana

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Since it was speedy-tagged G7 and empty, I deleted it as a C1. Mini apolis 14:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Delete. Misspelling of Category:Populated places in West Baton Rouge Parish, Louisiana. It is also an unnecessary level of categorization, since this and its only subcategory are both listed under Category:Towns in Louisiana by parish. Kennethaw88 ( talk) 18:49, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Comment Category is now empty. Kennethaw88 ( talk) 20:48, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
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Category:Alice Munro

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I have added see-also links between the sub-cats for works and adaptations, which should prove sufficient for navigation. – Fayenatic L ondon 22:32, 17 December 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Redundant category. Only includes the main page, a page about the bookstore that was founded by the subject and then a subcategory of their work. The Works by Alice Munro should remain as the main category. Mike ( talk) 16:49, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
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Category:Helvetia Cup

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The result of the discussion was: uperge to both parents. – Fayenatic L ondon 23:13, 17 December 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: This category previously contained Helvetia Cup, 2005 Helvetia Cup and 2007 Helvetia Cup. I've redirected the two season-articles to the parent article as non-notable WP:SPINOFFs, but regardless of that we shouldn't have a eponymous categories with only three articles. The page(s) in this category should instead be upmerged to the parent categories. Mentoz86 ( talk) 14:05, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • I don't agree with both: The redirects are not right and the deletion of the category is not correct, too. As European team championships for all but the six best teams in Europe clearly relevant including the articles by year. Keep. -- Florentyna ( talk) 15:58, 13 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Keep -- While we have articles on the biannual competitions, we need a category for them. They are not good articles, due to the number of redlinks, but that is an issue for improvement. If the biannual articles should not exist, they should be subject to an AFD. If that empties this category, except the main article, then upmerge would be appropriate. Peterkingiron ( talk) 13:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - Even with the two articles about the 2005 and 2007 competitions, I don't see a need for an eponymous category at this time. The two competitions are clearly linked from the main article, and they in turn prominently link to the main article. The category can be recreated if/when more content exists. -- Black Falcon ( talk) 04:37, 25 November 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Delete on the whole, per BF. Johnbod ( talk) 21:09, 7 December 2013 (UTC) reply
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English pope(s)

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The result of the discussion was: keep. ( NAC) Armbrust The Homunculus 15:44, 19 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The title is grammatically incorrect: it should say "English pope". Over-categorisation and Small. Very unlikely that the English will produce another pope any time soon. Even two would still be too small. Frankly, the first did enough damage, but that's a different story. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 13:48, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Actually, probably a better analogy is to cardinals. Roman Catholic bishops are responsible for a specific geographical area. Edward Dube, the one person in the category I mentioned above, as a general authority has authority over the whole church. True, he is also a counselor in the Africa West Area Presidency (which covers essentially from Nigeria to Liberia along the coast, as well as overseeing a few scattered people in Mali and a few other inland countries), but as a member of the first quorum of the 70 he has oversight over the whole church, thus his speaking at general conference just over a week ago. Thus this is similar to how we have Category:Zambian cardinals, which also only has one entry. When the episcopal diocese of Utah has 6,000 members but the Roman Catholic Diocese of Salt Lake City has 150,000 members, the idea that Catholic and Anglican bishops are equivalent needs to be not over stated. Additionally, in the example of Dube his current assignment to the Africa West Area is less permanent than his position as a general authority. Carlos Amabado for example has been assigned to Chile, Central America and a few other areas over the time he has been a general authority. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 15:29, 14 October 2013 (UTC) reply
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Years in Thailand

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename as most of the other discussions. Please note that to do these renames, the inline templates need to be updated by me manually. So some of these will need to wait since I'm done for the day. If I don't get them done in 24 hours, leave me a note. Vegaswikian ( talk) 06:23, 19 October 2013 (UTC) reply
Rest of nomination
Nominator's rationale: Rename. Thailand was called Siam before 1939 Tim! ( talk) 08:56, 12

October 2013 (UTC)

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Category:Unsolved murders in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic L ondon 23:18, 17 December 2013 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Murder is pronounced by a court of law. Hence if unresolved no such pronouncement will have been made. Mootros ( talk) 07:33, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Question does US law operate similarly to other nations in which a death can be declared to be a murder by a coroner's court, but remain unsolved as to who the perpetrator was? Beeswaxcandle ( talk) 08:15, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
    • Nice subtle point! In England and Wales, such a pronouncement would be called unlawful killing. This would be a form of "solved" as it is a legal verdict, even if no individual was found guilty. However, perusing this cat, I suspect that 99% of the article would not be related to this. The situation in the US is even more complex, as coroners are not judicial officer; the closest would be quasi-judicial appointments in some states, where as in others they are "merely" medical practitioners. Hence a "pronouncement" by a coroner in the US might legally be seen as either suspicion or evidence, but not (unlike in England) as a verdict as such. Mootros ( talk) 15:38, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
    • As I recall, the coroner may rule that the manner of a death is a homicide. The legal system takes that and the cause of death and determines that it was a murder. Rules vary by state. Coroners generally just determine the cause and manner of death and don't get involved in determining if there was a crime (murder). Our best starting link is probably this. Vegaswikian ( talk) 20:53, 12 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Support - "Unsolved murders" is, by default, a BLP violation. An "unsolved murder" can turn out to be an assisted suicide, manslaughter, accidental death, or anything like that. Therefore, the proposed category name makes more sense. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 07:25, 14 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Rename instead to Category:Unsolved suspicious deaths in the United States. The UK practice used to be that the coroner's jury would commit the suspected murderer for trial, but we have abandoned grand juries and juries in most civil cases. The result was that the press was implying that people had been convicted by a jury, when the jury had only decided to indict them. This was seen to be prejudicing fair trials. The coroner's hearing now usually follows the murder trial, which means that it is often long delayed (which is bad). The difficult cases are ones where the prosecution authorities thought it was a lawful homicide, but the coroner's jury disagrees. The procedure on this will vary a lot from country to country. Peterkingiron ( talk) 13:29, 14 October 2013 (UTC) reply
  • Rename per nom. "suspicious" as raised by Peterkingiron above leads to the "by whom" no doubt, Elvis' and JFK's deaths are suspicious to some; as was Liberace's for some time, and Anna Nicole Smith's, etc. And of course, we're presuming deaths in some disappearances: Jimmy Hoffa? Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 06:28, 15 October 2013 (UTC) reply
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