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Nominator's rationale:Split to new sub-cat
Category:Accidental deaths by country. Sure, this could probably go ahead without prior discussion, but I figure that approval here will allow an administrator to use a bot to move the national sub-cats down into the target, instead of doing it by hand. –
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Category:Road accident victims by location
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Rename; I suppose that someone who commits suicide by jumping in front of a car wouldn't be a victim, and we shouldn't try to distinguish between people by the reasons that they were in front of the vehicles that killed them. Going from "location" to "country" is good, because the current name would allow us to mingle country and city and subnational region categories, which wouldn't be good.
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Category:Historical Site color templates
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Category:Treaure Island, California
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Nominator's rationale: This island is now a neighborhood in san francisco, and should follow the naming convention for such. (i originally created it with this name, but now believe the new name is more appropriate). I dont know why its not showing up as having pages. OH i get it, i misspelled the category name! so it at least needs to be changed to Treasure Island, California. wondered if i would ever make a silly mistake like that. ive put pages in this misnamed category, so when its changed, they go with it.
Mercurywoodrose (
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18:04, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Support; it's not just the typo (it's going from ", California" to ", San Francisco"), but it should definitely be moved to accompany the article.
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Category:Songs written by John O'Neill
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Straight forward C2D - renaming to match article title - except, somebody did the reverse trip about 2 years ago.
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12:33, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
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Category:Subdistricts of Indonesia
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. C2D, tried via speedy, but was opposed. Child categories should be renamed accordingly. I asked
here and
here and
here and Huon did so for me
here but no feedback from the project people.
AsianGeographer (
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06:08, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Opposed - inadequate discussion at the project page as the renaming is not just for the name of the level of administration but relates to the child and parent categories as well - needs probably even higher level review - perhaps a
WP:RFC as it affects the overal structure of the Indonesian category tree. A close examination of the tree will show how complex the issue might become. It requires quite considerable discussion at the project, not just a speedy.
SatuSuro06:13, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Sorry what? This is simply removing the "sub" from "subdistrict" and turning it into "district". It has no effects on parent categories. Of cause it will have on the child categories. What is complex here? Could you please explain why C2D does not apply to
Districts of Indonesia?
AsianGeographer (
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06:18, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose The Echols and Shadily Indonesia-English dictionary (the pre-eminent edition of its type) confirms my suspicions that kecamatan translates as "sub-district". Until shown otherwise, all cats and article references should use sub-district. Please do not change - even if for "consistency". --
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06:33, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
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Germany football templates
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. All contents of all of these categories from the
Category:Germany football templates tree are navboxes. Also interested to hear opinions on the name of the last nom - Usually a 'by state' suffix denotes a parent only cat, but this just holds 5 "Football in Foo" templates. Other than that, and the need to merge not rename the first, I think these could be speedy but wasn't certain.
Qetuth (
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06:07, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Question What if someone comes up with a non-navbox template that would belong in one of these categories? Couldn't you just leave the existing categories in place, create new categories with the proposed names as subcategories of the existing ones, and move all of the contents to the new categories?
Nyttend (
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19:26, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
For the first 3, they have hundreds of siblings and cousins in the
Category:Association football club navigational boxes tree. There is no such 'templates' equivalent parent, because worldwide there are virtually no non-navbox football club templates - most non-navbox templates are as generic as possible, such as infoboxes, or specific to an external link site. The Fußball-Bayernliga likewise to match all but one of its siblings - that sibling has a timeline and 20 navboxes. The by state one has no comparable siblings or parents, I included because it also was pure navboxes and there has been a trend to rename such categories lately.
Personally, I wouldn't have had a problem with leaving everything at 'templates', but I value consistency and logical naming patterns, and at the moment things have been left half way through what appears to be a mass migration. --
Qetuth (
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07:25, 6 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose - There is no need to rename these categories just because, at present, the only contents are navboxes. Someone may create a different type of template to go in these categories eventually, and it's not like the current title is misleading. –
PeeJay16:30, 14 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Reply Then would you prefer the existing navigational boxes cats were moved back to templates categories, or just leave things arbitrarily split? --
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00:03, 15 January 2013 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale:Split to new sub-cat
Category:Accidental deaths by country. Sure, this could probably go ahead without prior discussion, but I figure that approval here will allow an administrator to use a bot to move the national sub-cats down into the target, instead of doing it by hand. –
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Category:Road accident victims by location
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Rename; I suppose that someone who commits suicide by jumping in front of a car wouldn't be a victim, and we shouldn't try to distinguish between people by the reasons that they were in front of the vehicles that killed them. Going from "location" to "country" is good, because the current name would allow us to mingle country and city and subnational region categories, which wouldn't be good.
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04:20, 6 January 2013 (UTC)reply
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Category:Historical Site color templates
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Category:Treaure Island, California
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Nominator's rationale: This island is now a neighborhood in san francisco, and should follow the naming convention for such. (i originally created it with this name, but now believe the new name is more appropriate). I dont know why its not showing up as having pages. OH i get it, i misspelled the category name! so it at least needs to be changed to Treasure Island, California. wondered if i would ever make a silly mistake like that. ive put pages in this misnamed category, so when its changed, they go with it.
Mercurywoodrose (
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18:04, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Support; it's not just the typo (it's going from ", California" to ", San Francisco"), but it should definitely be moved to accompany the article.
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19:24, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
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Category:Songs written by John O'Neill
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Straight forward C2D - renaming to match article title - except, somebody did the reverse trip about 2 years ago.
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12:33, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
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Category:Subdistricts of Indonesia
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. C2D, tried via speedy, but was opposed. Child categories should be renamed accordingly. I asked
here and
here and
here and Huon did so for me
here but no feedback from the project people.
AsianGeographer (
talk)
06:08, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Opposed - inadequate discussion at the project page as the renaming is not just for the name of the level of administration but relates to the child and parent categories as well - needs probably even higher level review - perhaps a
WP:RFC as it affects the overal structure of the Indonesian category tree. A close examination of the tree will show how complex the issue might become. It requires quite considerable discussion at the project, not just a speedy.
SatuSuro06:13, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Sorry what? This is simply removing the "sub" from "subdistrict" and turning it into "district". It has no effects on parent categories. Of cause it will have on the child categories. What is complex here? Could you please explain why C2D does not apply to
Districts of Indonesia?
AsianGeographer (
talk)
06:18, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose The Echols and Shadily Indonesia-English dictionary (the pre-eminent edition of its type) confirms my suspicions that kecamatan translates as "sub-district". Until shown otherwise, all cats and article references should use sub-district. Please do not change - even if for "consistency". --
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06:33, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
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Germany football templates
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. All contents of all of these categories from the
Category:Germany football templates tree are navboxes. Also interested to hear opinions on the name of the last nom - Usually a 'by state' suffix denotes a parent only cat, but this just holds 5 "Football in Foo" templates. Other than that, and the need to merge not rename the first, I think these could be speedy but wasn't certain.
Qetuth (
talk)
06:07, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Question What if someone comes up with a non-navbox template that would belong in one of these categories? Couldn't you just leave the existing categories in place, create new categories with the proposed names as subcategories of the existing ones, and move all of the contents to the new categories?
Nyttend (
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19:26, 5 January 2013 (UTC)reply
For the first 3, they have hundreds of siblings and cousins in the
Category:Association football club navigational boxes tree. There is no such 'templates' equivalent parent, because worldwide there are virtually no non-navbox football club templates - most non-navbox templates are as generic as possible, such as infoboxes, or specific to an external link site. The Fußball-Bayernliga likewise to match all but one of its siblings - that sibling has a timeline and 20 navboxes. The by state one has no comparable siblings or parents, I included because it also was pure navboxes and there has been a trend to rename such categories lately.
Personally, I wouldn't have had a problem with leaving everything at 'templates', but I value consistency and logical naming patterns, and at the moment things have been left half way through what appears to be a mass migration. --
Qetuth (
talk)
07:25, 6 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Oppose - There is no need to rename these categories just because, at present, the only contents are navboxes. Someone may create a different type of template to go in these categories eventually, and it's not like the current title is misleading. –
PeeJay16:30, 14 January 2013 (UTC)reply
Reply Then would you prefer the existing navigational boxes cats were moved back to templates categories, or just leave things arbitrarily split? --
Qetuth (
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00:03, 15 January 2013 (UTC)reply
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