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Category:Former populated places of Adams County, Pennsylvania
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Nominator's rationale: Another entry in the Gettysburg Overcategorization Campaign consisting of two placenames. The parent category is small and is not broken up by county.
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Category:ESPN25
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Nominator's rationale: The ESPN25 category only serves articles pertaining to
ESPN's 25th anniversary, which means that articles belonging in it would only occur within a one-year period (which has passed). Only two total articles in existence even qualify for ESPN25, and neither needs their own special category. I'd also like to point out that Category:ESPN25 was created in May 2005, when Wikipedia was at its general infancy and in the "see what sticks to the wall" mentality. We now have much more defined and stringent criteria for everything, including categories.
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Category:Churches in the United States by state
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Churches refers to building, religions or denominations. We renamed many of the building categories a while ago, so this is just getting one of those that was missed. If this is successful, then the subcats will follow as speedies. This could well be a speedy itself since it is a rename to the established form.
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Category:Pakistani flying aces
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Keep That's because I saw you remove articles from that category without explanation. Even if there's only one article supposed to be in there, I presume that it's part of a broader categorisation system (there are other one-page "flying-ace" country categories too), so nothing wrong in keeping it.
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Keep as there are several countries in the main and WWI/II subcategories for aces with only one member. And if one member in a few (eg Bulgarian) of the subcategories is not enough, is two enough or should they be deleted too? As with medal winners for Olympic/Commonwealth Games etc; America and Australia have hundreds, but a single medal winner from a small country eg
Natasha Mayers means creating two categories for one person.
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Category:American Civil War sites in Franklin County, Pennsylvania
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Category:Military sites by country
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Nominator's rationale: In one of the more far-reaching sections of the Gettysburg Overcategorization Campaign, we have this whole structure erected to categorize a few locations related to the battle. None of the higher levels of this, you will be surprised to learn, exist for other countries/states/counties/wide-spots-in-the-road, nor do the other organizational subdivisions picked up along the way. As with all the rest, the bottom level categories are tiny and could only grow by subdividing the articles on the Gettysburg campaign still further.
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Delete Based on past performance and category contents (or lack of) We know that Target for Today has created this web of categories with no thought other than Gettysburg's unique place in the cosmos. I was wondering if we could rename as a military historic sites tree, to give it some clarity from all the other "military sites" we categorize, but then
Category:Military memorials and cemeteries already seems to have that covered.
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Category:Oil and gas companies of Russia
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Delete. Dear Jeancey, I had created this category. But since two categories already exists that serve the purpose, please nominate for deletion. However, for other countries, categories with prefix "Oil and gas companies of..." exists. Is there a way we can standardize them? Can you please check? Thanks
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17:38, 19 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment I didn't think that you did it maliciously. I actually had no idea the others existed, but I checked when I saw only one category. I know for a fact that Libya has a Oil and gas companies category, since I'm quite active on that WP. I would have to assume that it was split because of the large amount of companies that fall under the combined category, but I really have no idea.
Jeancey (
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17:42, 19 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Delete as a duplication of
Category:Energy companies of Russia. Keeping just adds an additional level of navigation. While most of the companies may overlap into both fields, what do you do with those that don't? Better to list most of the companies in both categories when appropriate.
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I support Guitar and Chat but I'm uncertain about Animation. There are a few others in the tree which use "Websites about __". "Animation websites" makes me think of webcomics – animation for the web – as opposed to websites about animation in general. "Websites about animation" might be clearer. –
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22:38, 19 January 2012 (UTC)reply
I agree with the purge. It'd be weird to have only one category being "Websites about (X)" and the rest "(X) websites," but I am certainly supportive of switching the lot of them to the "Websites about (X)" format.--
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21:00, 20 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Even if that doesn't happen, it wouldn't be the only one:
Category:Websites about comics,
Category:Websites about digital media. I think whichever form is chosen as primary, there will be a few exceptions: "Websites about comics" is better than the ambiguous "Comics websites" but "Educational websites" is better than the outright-incorrect "Websites about education". Totally agree with losing "(X)-related websites". –
Pnm (
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23:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose 1 & 2 -- a chat related website need not have chat, whereas a chat website would have chat. A chat related website could be a review site, or a source code site. Similarly, an animation website would include animation, whereas an animation related website might just have reviews. "websites about X" is a much better convention to use.
76.65.128.132 (
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Comment: Suggest close as move for Guitar, move for Chat (since there are no websites about chat which do not also offer chat), and no consensus for Animation. –
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Category:Battlefields of the Gettysburg Campaign
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Category:Confederate States of America memorials at the Gettysburg Battlefield
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Category:National Sweetheart delegates
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Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. A category primarily for non-winners of a pageant for non-winners of other pageants. Even the winners of this pageant (who receive a trivial $1000 scholarship and a pendant shaped like corn) rarely arise to notability, judging by the pageant's article, and most of the articles that contain this category make no mention of the pageant at all. Mbinebritalk ←15:41, 19 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep Though being a delegate to National Sweetheart is, in itself, not a qualification for notability, it does add additional information to the articles of people who are notable for winning other state and national pageants. Five former Miss America winners (as well as 21 former Miss America delegates) are former National Sweetheart winners. 13 of the 53 delegates of this year's Miss America class were also former National Sweetheart contestants.
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17:42, 19 January 2012 (UTC)reply
If we can actually verify that many former Miss America delegates have won National Sweetheart, I wouldn't object to renaming the category "National Sweetheart winners" and purging it of non-winners. "Delegate" categories, I feel, should only be created for the most notable/prestigious pageants. Mbinebritalk ←00:50, 21 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Here is a link to the official website, which states that 9 former
Miss America's competed in the pageant and only 5 have won. This is one of the reasons I feel like this delegate category should be notable enough to remain.
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22:43, 22 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Delete -- Even if this were a category for winners, we would listify and delete as an awards category for a minor award. This is much worse: it is essentially a "performance by performer" category, where I think the consensus is a plain delete, though listgify is also an option.
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17:47, 21 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep - Delegates of this pageant may not all be notable, however many contestants (not just winners) have gone on to win
Miss America, compete at
Miss America and
Miss USA, or become notable in another way. This pageant was a stepping stone to their future success and deserves a mention when discussing these ladies.
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02:49, 22 January 2012 (UTC)reply
How is National Sweetheart a stepping stone? Winning the pageant does not qualify a contestant for any higher-level pageant because it isn't officially affiliated with any. Arguably, it's just a tangential pageant that some contestants who achieve notability via other pageants participate in, but doesn't confer notability itself, even when winning it, and (that I can see) doesn't garner widespread coverage. Mbinebritalk ←20:21, 22 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Delete - I agree with Peterkingiron's assessment of this category: it is an example of
performers-by-performance overcategorization. Being a delegate to any but the most well-known pageants is
not defining – i.e., not something for which one is known or remembered – and the fact that most articles in this category do not even mention the National Sweetheart pageant is an indication that this pageant does not pass that threshold. A category for winners of the pageant would be more defensible but, even then, the information probably is more suited to a list, such as the one at
National Sweetheart#Winners, than a category. -- Black Falcon(
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Category:David Croft co-writers
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Category:Landforms of Adams County, Pennsylvania
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Nominator's rationale: Yet another entry in the Gettysburg overcategorization campaign. Most of these are actually subarticles of the battlefield, and in any case no other Pa. county has this level of hierarchy. The geography category is small and most of what is in it could be placed in this category anyway.
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Category:Roads and routes in Adams County, Pennsylvania
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Sole entry is a redirect which is adequately categorized. The state category is not over populated where it needs to be divided by county. Also 'roads and routes' is a dual purpose category which is generally avoided.
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Category:Death industry in the United States
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Delete. Despite the existence of
death industry, I find it hard to believe that this is not a bit of a pejorative term, and that funeral homes, crematoria, headstone sellers, etc. actually refer to themselves as part of the "death industry".
Good Ol’factory(talk)09:38, 19 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Delete The more common phrasing is death care industry or even deathcare industry, but in any case this category seems unnecessary. There are relatively few articles about individual funeral parlors or undertakers, so subdivision by country is premature.-
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17:05, 19 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment -- There is a current
WP:RM on the main article. It is also subject to a merge nom to
Deathcare. I have suggested the target should become
Funeral industry, currently a redirect to "death industry". Probably Merge with parent, which will need to be renamed to match the main article (when its location is settled).
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Delete - I'm not an expert in its application in the US, but it would seem that at this time in WP it is synonymous with [Cemeteries...]. But my major objection would be that [Death industry...] is an unsympathetic term that isn't used much.
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Category:Pavilions in the United States
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Nominator's rationale:Merge. OCAT. Single entry category where the parent category only has 15 articles. No need to breakout by country at this time.
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Single entry category for a film. Main article provides ample navigation for the topic. Since the article and crisis have been around for a while, I really question the need for the category.
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Strong keep. I chanced across this Cfd while recategorising the mess that is the
Category:Cold War (it was an impenetrable mess of over 400 articles, as well as the subcats). The
Cuban Missile Crisis is an important and very notable historical event and therefore should have its own category, although there does not seem to be a lot of related articles about it. I am opposed to a
Category:Media about the Cuban Missile Crisis until such time that there is a lot of other articles in this category (note likely in the short term). Note that there is a
Category:Works about the Cold War . And peace man... --
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Category:Ridges in Adams County, Pennsylvania
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Nominator's rationale:UpMerge to both parents. There are only 3 in the state category and one in this one. Growth potential appears limited.
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Category:Former populated places of Adams County, Pennsylvania
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Nominator's rationale: Another entry in the Gettysburg Overcategorization Campaign consisting of two placenames. The parent category is small and is not broken up by county.
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Category:ESPN25
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Nominator's rationale: The ESPN25 category only serves articles pertaining to
ESPN's 25th anniversary, which means that articles belonging in it would only occur within a one-year period (which has passed). Only two total articles in existence even qualify for ESPN25, and neither needs their own special category. I'd also like to point out that Category:ESPN25 was created in May 2005, when Wikipedia was at its general infancy and in the "see what sticks to the wall" mentality. We now have much more defined and stringent criteria for everything, including categories.
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Category:Churches in the United States by state
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. Churches refers to building, religions or denominations. We renamed many of the building categories a while ago, so this is just getting one of those that was missed. If this is successful, then the subcats will follow as speedies. This could well be a speedy itself since it is a rename to the established form.
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Keep That's because I saw you remove articles from that category without explanation. Even if there's only one article supposed to be in there, I presume that it's part of a broader categorisation system (there are other one-page "flying-ace" country categories too), so nothing wrong in keeping it.
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Keep as there are several countries in the main and WWI/II subcategories for aces with only one member. And if one member in a few (eg Bulgarian) of the subcategories is not enough, is two enough or should they be deleted too? As with medal winners for Olympic/Commonwealth Games etc; America and Australia have hundreds, but a single medal winner from a small country eg
Natasha Mayers means creating two categories for one person.
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Category:American Civil War sites in Franklin County, Pennsylvania
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Category:Military sites by country
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Nominator's rationale: In one of the more far-reaching sections of the Gettysburg Overcategorization Campaign, we have this whole structure erected to categorize a few locations related to the battle. None of the higher levels of this, you will be surprised to learn, exist for other countries/states/counties/wide-spots-in-the-road, nor do the other organizational subdivisions picked up along the way. As with all the rest, the bottom level categories are tiny and could only grow by subdividing the articles on the Gettysburg campaign still further.
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Delete Based on past performance and category contents (or lack of) We know that Target for Today has created this web of categories with no thought other than Gettysburg's unique place in the cosmos. I was wondering if we could rename as a military historic sites tree, to give it some clarity from all the other "military sites" we categorize, but then
Category:Military memorials and cemeteries already seems to have that covered.
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Category:Oil and gas companies of Russia
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Delete. Dear Jeancey, I had created this category. But since two categories already exists that serve the purpose, please nominate for deletion. However, for other countries, categories with prefix "Oil and gas companies of..." exists. Is there a way we can standardize them? Can you please check? Thanks
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Comment I didn't think that you did it maliciously. I actually had no idea the others existed, but I checked when I saw only one category. I know for a fact that Libya has a Oil and gas companies category, since I'm quite active on that WP. I would have to assume that it was split because of the large amount of companies that fall under the combined category, but I really have no idea.
Jeancey (
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17:42, 19 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Delete as a duplication of
Category:Energy companies of Russia. Keeping just adds an additional level of navigation. While most of the companies may overlap into both fields, what do you do with those that don't? Better to list most of the companies in both categories when appropriate.
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I support Guitar and Chat but I'm uncertain about Animation. There are a few others in the tree which use "Websites about __". "Animation websites" makes me think of webcomics – animation for the web – as opposed to websites about animation in general. "Websites about animation" might be clearer. –
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22:38, 19 January 2012 (UTC)reply
I agree with the purge. It'd be weird to have only one category being "Websites about (X)" and the rest "(X) websites," but I am certainly supportive of switching the lot of them to the "Websites about (X)" format.--
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21:00, 20 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Even if that doesn't happen, it wouldn't be the only one:
Category:Websites about comics,
Category:Websites about digital media. I think whichever form is chosen as primary, there will be a few exceptions: "Websites about comics" is better than the ambiguous "Comics websites" but "Educational websites" is better than the outright-incorrect "Websites about education". Totally agree with losing "(X)-related websites". –
Pnm (
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23:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose 1 & 2 -- a chat related website need not have chat, whereas a chat website would have chat. A chat related website could be a review site, or a source code site. Similarly, an animation website would include animation, whereas an animation related website might just have reviews. "websites about X" is a much better convention to use.
76.65.128.132 (
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05:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment: Suggest close as move for Guitar, move for Chat (since there are no websites about chat which do not also offer chat), and no consensus for Animation. –
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Category:Battlefields of the Gettysburg Campaign
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Category:Confederate States of America memorials at the Gettysburg Battlefield
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Category:National Sweetheart delegates
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Nominator's rationale: Non-defining. A category primarily for non-winners of a pageant for non-winners of other pageants. Even the winners of this pageant (who receive a trivial $1000 scholarship and a pendant shaped like corn) rarely arise to notability, judging by the pageant's article, and most of the articles that contain this category make no mention of the pageant at all. Mbinebritalk ←15:41, 19 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep Though being a delegate to National Sweetheart is, in itself, not a qualification for notability, it does add additional information to the articles of people who are notable for winning other state and national pageants. Five former Miss America winners (as well as 21 former Miss America delegates) are former National Sweetheart winners. 13 of the 53 delegates of this year's Miss America class were also former National Sweetheart contestants.
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17:42, 19 January 2012 (UTC)reply
If we can actually verify that many former Miss America delegates have won National Sweetheart, I wouldn't object to renaming the category "National Sweetheart winners" and purging it of non-winners. "Delegate" categories, I feel, should only be created for the most notable/prestigious pageants. Mbinebritalk ←00:50, 21 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Here is a link to the official website, which states that 9 former
Miss America's competed in the pageant and only 5 have won. This is one of the reasons I feel like this delegate category should be notable enough to remain.
MissPageantNews (
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22:43, 22 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Delete -- Even if this were a category for winners, we would listify and delete as an awards category for a minor award. This is much worse: it is essentially a "performance by performer" category, where I think the consensus is a plain delete, though listgify is also an option.
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17:47, 21 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Keep - Delegates of this pageant may not all be notable, however many contestants (not just winners) have gone on to win
Miss America, compete at
Miss America and
Miss USA, or become notable in another way. This pageant was a stepping stone to their future success and deserves a mention when discussing these ladies.
MissPageantNews (
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02:49, 22 January 2012 (UTC)reply
How is National Sweetheart a stepping stone? Winning the pageant does not qualify a contestant for any higher-level pageant because it isn't officially affiliated with any. Arguably, it's just a tangential pageant that some contestants who achieve notability via other pageants participate in, but doesn't confer notability itself, even when winning it, and (that I can see) doesn't garner widespread coverage. Mbinebritalk ←20:21, 22 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Delete - I agree with Peterkingiron's assessment of this category: it is an example of
performers-by-performance overcategorization. Being a delegate to any but the most well-known pageants is
not defining – i.e., not something for which one is known or remembered – and the fact that most articles in this category do not even mention the National Sweetheart pageant is an indication that this pageant does not pass that threshold. A category for winners of the pageant would be more defensible but, even then, the information probably is more suited to a list, such as the one at
National Sweetheart#Winners, than a category. -- Black Falcon(
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Category:David Croft co-writers
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Category:Landforms of Adams County, Pennsylvania
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Nominator's rationale: Yet another entry in the Gettysburg overcategorization campaign. Most of these are actually subarticles of the battlefield, and in any case no other Pa. county has this level of hierarchy. The geography category is small and most of what is in it could be placed in this category anyway.
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Category:Roads and routes in Adams County, Pennsylvania
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Sole entry is a redirect which is adequately categorized. The state category is not over populated where it needs to be divided by county. Also 'roads and routes' is a dual purpose category which is generally avoided.
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08:27, 19 January 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Death industry in the United States
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Delete. Despite the existence of
death industry, I find it hard to believe that this is not a bit of a pejorative term, and that funeral homes, crematoria, headstone sellers, etc. actually refer to themselves as part of the "death industry".
Good Ol’factory(talk)09:38, 19 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Delete The more common phrasing is death care industry or even deathcare industry, but in any case this category seems unnecessary. There are relatively few articles about individual funeral parlors or undertakers, so subdivision by country is premature.-
choster (
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17:05, 19 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment -- There is a current
WP:RM on the main article. It is also subject to a merge nom to
Deathcare. I have suggested the target should become
Funeral industry, currently a redirect to "death industry". Probably Merge with parent, which will need to be renamed to match the main article (when its location is settled).
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17:40, 21 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Delete - I'm not an expert in its application in the US, but it would seem that at this time in WP it is synonymous with [Cemeteries...]. But my major objection would be that [Death industry...] is an unsympathetic term that isn't used much.
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Category:Pavilions in the United States
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Nominator's rationale:Merge. OCAT. Single entry category where the parent category only has 15 articles. No need to breakout by country at this time.
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Category:Cuban Missile Crisis
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. Single entry category for a film. Main article provides ample navigation for the topic. Since the article and crisis have been around for a while, I really question the need for the category.
Vegaswikian (
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08:12, 19 January 2012 (UTC)reply
Strong keep. I chanced across this Cfd while recategorising the mess that is the
Category:Cold War (it was an impenetrable mess of over 400 articles, as well as the subcats). The
Cuban Missile Crisis is an important and very notable historical event and therefore should have its own category, although there does not seem to be a lot of related articles about it. I am opposed to a
Category:Media about the Cuban Missile Crisis until such time that there is a lot of other articles in this category (note likely in the short term). Note that there is a
Category:Works about the Cold War . And peace man... --
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Category:Cold War docudramas
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Category:Ridges in Adams County, Pennsylvania
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Nominator's rationale:UpMerge to both parents. There are only 3 in the state category and one in this one. Growth potential appears limited.
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08:02, 19 January 2012 (UTC)reply
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