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The result of the discussion was:Merge.
Dana boomer (
talk) 00:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The category “History books about Germany” is a later created category but is more descriptive, ie it is for books about German history but not (say) to include German (history) books about the history of France or the Middle East. If agreed, I would also propose the merging of the other seven countries in
Category:History books by country. PS: should the category for Germany be a subcategory of both
Category:History of Germany and
Category:Historigraphy of Germany; ref the category
Category:Indian history books? PS: most of the country subcategories of
Category:Works about countries do not have a link to a category for the particular country as they should. Exceptions include China (to main country category) and the United Kingdom (to British culture subcategory); which option is preferred?
Hugo999 (
talk) 23:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom, but I don't think the single entry, a Nazi period diary, should be categorized as a "history book" at all - that should be reserved for works by historians, not primary sources, however valuable.
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The result of the discussion was:administrative close: deleted by another admin per
G7.Good Ol’factory(talk) 04:58, 8 November 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:Metal Highway Bridges of Fulton County Multiple Property Submission
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The result of the discussion was:merge.--
Mike Selinker (
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Nominator's rationale:Merge. These bridges are not notable for being in the MPS. Upmerge in case any are not currently listed in the county category. Navigation is be better addressed in the main article,
Metal Highway Bridges of Fulton County Thematic Resources.
Vegaswikian (
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Iowa MPS, part 1
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Dana boomer (
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. This nomination is for a collection of TRs and MPSs that are small and some larger ones. In the end,
previous discussions have failed to establish that being in a TR or an MPS is defining for the property. The buildings are notable on their own and not from being in the broader resource. When the TR or MPS is notable on it's own, it has an article that provides better navigation for the related articles.
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Category:Words coined in the 21st century
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The result of the discussion was:Rename to first set of proposed names..
Dana boomer (
talk) 00:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename. This category is not simply words, it is words and phrases which are more correctly neologisms. Another option would be
Category:Neologisms introduced in the 21st century which might more correctly identify the purpose and would better identify this as a part of the introductions category tree. In any case, this change would need to be applied to the related categories.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 20:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename It makes sense to use the wider scope. As for the name of the new category I prefer 21st-century neologisms to the more verbose Neologisms introduced in the 21st century.
Pichpich (
talk) 15:49, 31 October 2011 (UTC)reply
I suggested the longer version to make clear that it is for introductions during the century. Otherwise, some editors will be inclined to add every century the neologism is used in to the articles. So, verbose, maybe. Clearer about the use, probably. Either would be an improvement over that we have now.
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Category:Minneapolis – Saint Paul
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Nominator's rationale: (including some subcategories, which either use a endash with spaces or a simple hyphen) Per main article and MOS.
The Evil IP address (
talk) 17:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename and also rename
Minneapolis – Saint Paul. (
WP:DASH has changed since I last looked at it, when it supported
Minneapolis – Saint Paul. Now en-dash is not spaced except in some dates. Can bots not be instructed to make this sort of minor change?)
Occuli (
talk) 19:50, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Additional note: some of the categories still use "St. Paul" instead of "Saint Paul", which was changed in the main article some time ago, too. They should be renamed too. --
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Works "on" categories
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Dana boomer (
talk) 00:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: There are no other "Works on" categories. The wide variety of subjects in here suggests the standard "(Formats) about (X)" should be used instead.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 15:20, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Agree As creator of Category:Essays on anarchism, I see no problem in this. That seems a simple conversion. --
Cast (
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Category:Journalism-themed television series
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
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The result of the discussion was:renameCategory:Death-related art to
Category:Death in art in line with sibling categories within
Category:Art by subject. Rename all others as nominated following the "Foo about bar" form. If any works deal with a subject in a non-defining way, they should not be categorised by it. If the coverage of a subject in various works is non-defining but nevertheless notable, then the way to incorporate it in the encyclopedia is instead to create a list or a fuller descriptive article. –
Fayenatic(talk) 23:37, 26 November 2011 (UTC)reply
A global nomination for multiple types of (something)-related works. Our primary categorization scheme in
Category:Works by topic is "(Type of work)s about (topic)". The following subnominations are broken out by topic, in case people want to debate specifics of the category names.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 18:56, 1 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The first category is more properly a "Works" category, because it includes paintings, films, and songs. Most categories of
Category:Art by subject are about visual art. The second and third nominations are designed to bring them into the "Works about" format.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 15:50, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Thank-you for making this nomination and for notifying me as the creator of two of the categories. I don't have any objections to the renaming, but wanted to note here that at the time of creation the 'Death-related art' category only contained paintings (I think), though I know from previous discussions that 'art' can be a bit ambiguous. For the second category, the name of 'Paintings on the theme of death' was chosen to fit the parent category 'Paintings by theme'. Maybe it could be considered whether category names should use the term 'theme' or not? Also, Ithink someone else split offcreatedCategory:Paintings depicting deathto a subcategory, as not all paintings on this theme actually show death (some are very abstract, with death referred to in the title of the work). I actually prefer the way Commons approaches this, with the category name being 'Death in Art', which is more intuitive in some ways.
Carcharoth (
talk) 16:07, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Your (just now) proposed merger of
Category:Paintings depicting death is a different matter to the renaming issue. Would it be possible to keep those issues separate? Getting back to the naming issue, do you have any opinions on whether the term 'theme' is amenable to categorisation? There are currently
79 categories with 'theme' in the title. Are you sure that "about" is a better way to name these categories?
Carcharoth (
talk) 16:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Yes, that's a separate issue, and I may bring it up if this nomination passes. I definitely think "Works about" is the right call, because it doesn't split hairs about whether something is "related" to the subject or not.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 16:41, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Support I'm in favor of making some consistency to this scheme. —
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯ 17:27, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Support - however I feel that the word ART should be retained, or is the category supposed to include books about death,
mausoleums and other "works?" Einar aka
Carptrash (
talk) 17:37, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
I would say it does include such things currently. It doesn't have to, as noted above.
Category:Art about death is a fine category for visual art only.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 18:02, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose. See my replies concerning drug-related works, and adoption-related works. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 17:49, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment. These might work: Death in art or Death-related works. Not Category:Works about death or Category:Art about death. "About" is too restrictive, and implies that death is the main topic of the work. Look at
Commons:Category:Death in art. It has subcategories such as Burials in art, Skeletons in art, Skulls in art, etc.. They are not necessarily Works about death. Commons freely uses category prepositions in many ways. That makes the Commons categories nuanced, accurate, and therefore more useful for categorization. Wikipedia is not paper. We do not have a quota on prepositions like "in" or adjectives like "death-related". --
Timeshifter (
talk) 02:14, 2 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: There aren't very many "-related" works categories. The emerging standard in
Category:Works by topic is "Works about (X)."--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 15:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose. See my replies concerning drug-related works, and adoption-related works. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 17:49, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: There aren't very many "-related" works categories. The emerging standard in
Category:Works by topic is "Works about (X)."--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 15:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose. There can be a big difference between cannabis-related films, and films about cannabis. Some of the films in the category 'cannabis-related films' are not about cannabis, but cannabis plays an important part in the films. For example;
Dazed and confused. Some of those new category names that are listed could be subcategories. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 15:23, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
If cannabis plays an important part in a film, then the film is about cannabis. For example,
Dazed and confused is definitely about cannabis.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 15:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment. If the topic plays an important part in the work but is not what the work is about, I would then question whether the work being "foo-related" is a defining characteristic of the work. --
Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (
talk) 19:49, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Not quite sure what you mean. Being "foo-related" does not necessarily mean it is the main, defining topic. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 23:31, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
This is what we're trying to make clear. Categories should be about things that are defining. If a film is about cannabis, then it's worth categorizing. But if it only has cannabis as a tangential theme, we have no reason to categorize it in relationship to cannabis. The proposed change will set a strong standard for inclusion, and those that don't meet it will likely be removed. That's what categories are about.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 11:45, 31 October 2011 (UTC)reply
You are incorrect. Articles are categorized according to multiple topics, not just the main topic. Deletionism is not a policy of Wikipedia. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 19:30, 31 October 2011 (UTC)reply
I see that I'm not going to convince you. Hopefully others will weigh in.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 01:54, 1 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Cannabis is a defining characteristic of nearly all the movies listed in the category. So the category applies according to
WP:DEFINING. Cannabis is not a trivial characteristic of nearly all the movies listed in the category.
WP:OC#TRIVIA: "Avoid categorizing topics by characteristics that are wholly peripheral to the topic's notability." Most articles have multiple defining characteristics. This is what you are not acknowledging. "About cannabis" implies that cannabis is the main topic of the film. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 01:50, 2 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Support per nominator's rationale. The opposing argument is not convincing. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 16:11, 1 November 2011 (UTC)reply
That is not an argument based on Wikipedia guidelines. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 01:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: There aren't very many "-related" works categories. The emerging standard in
Category:Works by topic is "Works about (X)."--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 15:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose. There is a difference between adoption-related works, and works about adoption.
A.I. Artificial Intelligence is not a film about adoption. The words 'adopt' or 'adoption' are not mentioned in the article. One might call having a child-like android with emotions an adopted child of sorts. Thus the film is an adoption-related film. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 17:41, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Some people like to waste time on works about deletion. But seriously, some topics are of interest to the readers of Wikipedia. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 18:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
I get that. What I'm saying is that if a film is only tangentially about something, such as A.I. only being very tangentially about adoption, why do we categorize it that way? A.I. is clearly about robots, so it belongs in a category about robots. But it doesn't need a category about adoption. Only films that are about adoption need to be categorized in relation to adoption.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 19:29, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Not necessarily. Many topics are approached in a roundabout way, through simile, metaphor, science fiction, etc.. Secondary topics are important for categories. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 23:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
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Category:Temples dedicated to Lord Jagannath
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Dana boomer (
talk) 00:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Removal of honorific.
RedtigerxyzTalk 13:41, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Agree, the renaming is in line with WP policy on honorifics.
Chiswick Chap (
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Category:Compositions by Czech composers
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The result of the discussion was:merge.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 22:15, 14 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment I don't pay too much attention to all this, but if what Michael says is true, then it's a no brainer.
♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (
talk) 13:47, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Keep - there are already 418 subcategories in
Category:Compositions by composer. I suggest that this needs refining, which can be done in multiple ways—including ethnicity/country of origin.
Beeswaxcandle (
talk) 06:35, 1 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment – I suggest that creating such categories is fraught with problems of nationalistic and anachronistic categorisation, and as there is no easy way to reference category membership, they will invite controversial edits. For a start:
Benatzky?
Handel?,
Mahler?
Mozart? --
Michael Bednarek (
talk) 08:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Clear Keep - This is a perfectly valid category. It seems to me that the rationale offered for deletion/upmerging is awfully flimsy. First of all, just because there may not at present be any other categories for a future
Category:Compositions by nationality of composer doesn't mean this category should be done away with; rather it suggests that additional categories are awaiting creation. Category trees are not expected to be created en masse in their entirety -- they generally grow incrementally, one or two sub-cats at a time. Think of it as a seedling, if you will.
And lastly, the suggestion that categories like this are inherently problematic due to alleged issues regarding nationality is pretty silly. To begin with, that argument (if it were valid) would apply equally to the proposed upmerge target,
Category:Works by Czech people -- and all of its counterparts. But to be very clear: it simply isn't an issue. Simply put, all of the composers whose works are included herein are already categorized by their nationality. This is also true for the examples offered by the nominator, some of whom have been categorized under more than one nationality, when that has been deemed appropriate. Ergo, in a Compositions by nationality of composer scheme their compositions would simply be categorized in accord with those nationalities.
Cgingold (
talk) 00:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)reply
A difference is that categorising a article about a person by the nationality of the person will follow from the text within the article (and can be challenged at article level). Putting
Category:Works by J. R. R. Tolkien into
Category:Works by English people includes an assertion that JRRT is English, which doesn't follow from the category itself and won't show up on the JRRT watchlist. I would not myself support the creation of any of these 'boos by fooians' schemes and am certainly opposed to any extension of them. (Neither am I keen on putting compositions into composer ('people') categories.)
Occuli (
talk) 09:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Yes, I'd endorse that.
Occuli explains this well. --Kleinzach 05:42, 10 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment – There is obviously great reluctance (or apathy) to categorise compositions by nationality: the tree under
Category:Works by nationality is spectactularly bereft of "compositions" (e.g. zero Italians and Russians, 4 Germans, one of them Handel). This indicates to me that a comprehensive categorisation scheme of compositions by nationality is not going to be established any time soon. Even the opera of the aforementioned
Pavel Haas doesn't appear anywhere in that tree. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk) 06:32, 2 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom; doesn't look like it's part of an overall scheme. It could be; but at this stage it is not.
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Category:Stations with enamel panels
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Rename. the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the category was
art deco gas stations with enamel panels, which I assume should not be included in this category. Einar aka
Carptrash (
talk) 17:40, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete. This is not defining for the stations. I fail to see how having a few panels can be considered as defining. If this stays, will we need to create a category like
Category:Towns with enamel street signs? If kept, it probably should be renamed to
Category:Railway stations with vitreous enamel panels since enamel is ambiguous. Also some have panels which is ambiguous and others have plaques which further confuses the naming.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 18:41, 31 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename. I am happy with
Vegaswikian's proposal that this should be renamed to
Category:Railway stations with vitreous enamel panels since both "station" and "enamel" are potentially ambiguous. But it might be even better to rename it to
Category:Railway stations with decorative vitreous enamel panels because my idea when I added this category was not to capture all railway stations where the name of the station is on a vitreous enamel sign (which would include far too many railway stations to be interesting), but to identify all railway stations where vitreous enamel signs are used as a decorative element (which I believe is a useful category because vitreous enamel panels aren't often used decoratively in railway stations).
Winstonsmith99 (
talk) 00:17, 1 November 2011 (UTC)reply
In which case that would be a quadruple intersection which we generally tend to not categorize. We usually stop at double intersections. And decorative is rather subjective.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 05:14, 1 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment Most stations, at least in Europe but I suspect everywhere, use vitreous enamel for their big platform name signs & very often other signage - certainly all London Underground ones. This is clearly not defining, & I'm dubious that additional decorative use is, although I don't share Vegas's view that this is subjective. "Enamel panels" is little help, as it suggests the signage is meant. A rename to
Category:Railway stations with decorative vitreous enamel would be best if a category is justified at all.
Johnbod (
talk) 17:25, 1 November 2011 (UTC)reply
keep and rename to
Category:Railway stations with vitreous enamel panels per above. With only 30 stations in this category out of the thousands of above and below ground railway/railroad stations that exist, this is distinctive.
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Category:Giedraičiai
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Dana boomer (
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Nominator's rationale: Using the conventions of the family categories and the head article
Giedraitis family.--
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Category:Golitsyns
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Dana boomer (
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Nominator's rationale: Using the conventions of family categories, and the spelling at the head article
Galitzine.--
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The result of the discussion was:Merge.
Dana boomer (
talk) 00:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The category “History books about Germany” is a later created category but is more descriptive, ie it is for books about German history but not (say) to include German (history) books about the history of France or the Middle East. If agreed, I would also propose the merging of the other seven countries in
Category:History books by country. PS: should the category for Germany be a subcategory of both
Category:History of Germany and
Category:Historigraphy of Germany; ref the category
Category:Indian history books? PS: most of the country subcategories of
Category:Works about countries do not have a link to a category for the particular country as they should. Exceptions include China (to main country category) and the United Kingdom (to British culture subcategory); which option is preferred?
Hugo999 (
talk) 23:04, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom, but I don't think the single entry, a Nazi period diary, should be categorized as a "history book" at all - that should be reserved for works by historians, not primary sources, however valuable.
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The result of the discussion was:administrative close: deleted by another admin per
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Category:Metal Highway Bridges of Fulton County Multiple Property Submission
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The result of the discussion was:merge.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 06:53, 14 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Merge. These bridges are not notable for being in the MPS. Upmerge in case any are not currently listed in the county category. Navigation is be better addressed in the main article,
Metal Highway Bridges of Fulton County Thematic Resources.
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talk) 21:42, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
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Iowa MPS, part 1
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Dana boomer (
talk) 00:06, 9 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Delete. This nomination is for a collection of TRs and MPSs that are small and some larger ones. In the end,
previous discussions have failed to establish that being in a TR or an MPS is defining for the property. The buildings are notable on their own and not from being in the broader resource. When the TR or MPS is notable on it's own, it has an article that provides better navigation for the related articles.
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Category:Words coined in the 21st century
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The result of the discussion was:Rename to first set of proposed names..
Dana boomer (
talk) 00:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename. This category is not simply words, it is words and phrases which are more correctly neologisms. Another option would be
Category:Neologisms introduced in the 21st century which might more correctly identify the purpose and would better identify this as a part of the introductions category tree. In any case, this change would need to be applied to the related categories.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 20:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename It makes sense to use the wider scope. As for the name of the new category I prefer 21st-century neologisms to the more verbose Neologisms introduced in the 21st century.
Pichpich (
talk) 15:49, 31 October 2011 (UTC)reply
I suggested the longer version to make clear that it is for introductions during the century. Otherwise, some editors will be inclined to add every century the neologism is used in to the articles. So, verbose, maybe. Clearer about the use, probably. Either would be an improvement over that we have now.
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Category:Minneapolis – Saint Paul
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Nominator's rationale: (including some subcategories, which either use a endash with spaces or a simple hyphen) Per main article and MOS.
The Evil IP address (
talk) 17:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename and also rename
Minneapolis – Saint Paul. (
WP:DASH has changed since I last looked at it, when it supported
Minneapolis – Saint Paul. Now en-dash is not spaced except in some dates. Can bots not be instructed to make this sort of minor change?)
Occuli (
talk) 19:50, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Additional note: some of the categories still use "St. Paul" instead of "Saint Paul", which was changed in the main article some time ago, too. They should be renamed too. --
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Works "on" categories
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Dana boomer (
talk) 00:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: There are no other "Works on" categories. The wide variety of subjects in here suggests the standard "(Formats) about (X)" should be used instead.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 15:20, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Agree As creator of Category:Essays on anarchism, I see no problem in this. That seems a simple conversion. --
Cast (
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Category:Journalism-themed television series
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
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The result of the discussion was:renameCategory:Death-related art to
Category:Death in art in line with sibling categories within
Category:Art by subject. Rename all others as nominated following the "Foo about bar" form. If any works deal with a subject in a non-defining way, they should not be categorised by it. If the coverage of a subject in various works is non-defining but nevertheless notable, then the way to incorporate it in the encyclopedia is instead to create a list or a fuller descriptive article. –
Fayenatic(talk) 23:37, 26 November 2011 (UTC)reply
A global nomination for multiple types of (something)-related works. Our primary categorization scheme in
Category:Works by topic is "(Type of work)s about (topic)". The following subnominations are broken out by topic, in case people want to debate specifics of the category names.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 18:56, 1 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: The first category is more properly a "Works" category, because it includes paintings, films, and songs. Most categories of
Category:Art by subject are about visual art. The second and third nominations are designed to bring them into the "Works about" format.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 15:50, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Thank-you for making this nomination and for notifying me as the creator of two of the categories. I don't have any objections to the renaming, but wanted to note here that at the time of creation the 'Death-related art' category only contained paintings (I think), though I know from previous discussions that 'art' can be a bit ambiguous. For the second category, the name of 'Paintings on the theme of death' was chosen to fit the parent category 'Paintings by theme'. Maybe it could be considered whether category names should use the term 'theme' or not? Also, Ithink someone else split offcreatedCategory:Paintings depicting deathto a subcategory, as not all paintings on this theme actually show death (some are very abstract, with death referred to in the title of the work). I actually prefer the way Commons approaches this, with the category name being 'Death in Art', which is more intuitive in some ways.
Carcharoth (
talk) 16:07, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Your (just now) proposed merger of
Category:Paintings depicting death is a different matter to the renaming issue. Would it be possible to keep those issues separate? Getting back to the naming issue, do you have any opinions on whether the term 'theme' is amenable to categorisation? There are currently
79 categories with 'theme' in the title. Are you sure that "about" is a better way to name these categories?
Carcharoth (
talk) 16:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Yes, that's a separate issue, and I may bring it up if this nomination passes. I definitely think "Works about" is the right call, because it doesn't split hairs about whether something is "related" to the subject or not.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 16:41, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Support I'm in favor of making some consistency to this scheme. —
Justin (koavf)❤
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Support - however I feel that the word ART should be retained, or is the category supposed to include books about death,
mausoleums and other "works?" Einar aka
Carptrash (
talk) 17:37, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
I would say it does include such things currently. It doesn't have to, as noted above.
Category:Art about death is a fine category for visual art only.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 18:02, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose. See my replies concerning drug-related works, and adoption-related works. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 17:49, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment. These might work: Death in art or Death-related works. Not Category:Works about death or Category:Art about death. "About" is too restrictive, and implies that death is the main topic of the work. Look at
Commons:Category:Death in art. It has subcategories such as Burials in art, Skeletons in art, Skulls in art, etc.. They are not necessarily Works about death. Commons freely uses category prepositions in many ways. That makes the Commons categories nuanced, accurate, and therefore more useful for categorization. Wikipedia is not paper. We do not have a quota on prepositions like "in" or adjectives like "death-related". --
Timeshifter (
talk) 02:14, 2 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: There aren't very many "-related" works categories. The emerging standard in
Category:Works by topic is "Works about (X)."--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 15:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose. See my replies concerning drug-related works, and adoption-related works. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 17:49, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: There aren't very many "-related" works categories. The emerging standard in
Category:Works by topic is "Works about (X)."--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 15:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose. There can be a big difference between cannabis-related films, and films about cannabis. Some of the films in the category 'cannabis-related films' are not about cannabis, but cannabis plays an important part in the films. For example;
Dazed and confused. Some of those new category names that are listed could be subcategories. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 15:23, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
If cannabis plays an important part in a film, then the film is about cannabis. For example,
Dazed and confused is definitely about cannabis.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 15:36, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment. If the topic plays an important part in the work but is not what the work is about, I would then question whether the work being "foo-related" is a defining characteristic of the work. --
Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars (
talk) 19:49, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Not quite sure what you mean. Being "foo-related" does not necessarily mean it is the main, defining topic. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 23:31, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
This is what we're trying to make clear. Categories should be about things that are defining. If a film is about cannabis, then it's worth categorizing. But if it only has cannabis as a tangential theme, we have no reason to categorize it in relationship to cannabis. The proposed change will set a strong standard for inclusion, and those that don't meet it will likely be removed. That's what categories are about.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 11:45, 31 October 2011 (UTC)reply
You are incorrect. Articles are categorized according to multiple topics, not just the main topic. Deletionism is not a policy of Wikipedia. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 19:30, 31 October 2011 (UTC)reply
I see that I'm not going to convince you. Hopefully others will weigh in.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 01:54, 1 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Cannabis is a defining characteristic of nearly all the movies listed in the category. So the category applies according to
WP:DEFINING. Cannabis is not a trivial characteristic of nearly all the movies listed in the category.
WP:OC#TRIVIA: "Avoid categorizing topics by characteristics that are wholly peripheral to the topic's notability." Most articles have multiple defining characteristics. This is what you are not acknowledging. "About cannabis" implies that cannabis is the main topic of the film. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 01:50, 2 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Support per nominator's rationale. The opposing argument is not convincing. ---RepublicanJacobiteTheFortyFive 16:11, 1 November 2011 (UTC)reply
That is not an argument based on Wikipedia guidelines. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 01:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: There aren't very many "-related" works categories. The emerging standard in
Category:Works by topic is "Works about (X)."--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 15:01, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Oppose. There is a difference between adoption-related works, and works about adoption.
A.I. Artificial Intelligence is not a film about adoption. The words 'adopt' or 'adoption' are not mentioned in the article. One might call having a child-like android with emotions an adopted child of sorts. Thus the film is an adoption-related film. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 17:41, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Some people like to waste time on works about deletion. But seriously, some topics are of interest to the readers of Wikipedia. --
Timeshifter (
talk) 18:24, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
I get that. What I'm saying is that if a film is only tangentially about something, such as A.I. only being very tangentially about adoption, why do we categorize it that way? A.I. is clearly about robots, so it belongs in a category about robots. But it doesn't need a category about adoption. Only films that are about adoption need to be categorized in relation to adoption.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 19:29, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Not necessarily. Many topics are approached in a roundabout way, through simile, metaphor, science fiction, etc.. Secondary topics are important for categories. --
Timeshifter (
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Category:Temples dedicated to Lord Jagannath
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Dana boomer (
talk) 00:04, 9 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Removal of honorific.
RedtigerxyzTalk 13:41, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Agree, the renaming is in line with WP policy on honorifics.
Chiswick Chap (
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Category:Compositions by Czech composers
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The result of the discussion was:merge.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 22:15, 14 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment I don't pay too much attention to all this, but if what Michael says is true, then it's a no brainer.
♫ Melodia Chaconne ♫ (
talk) 13:47, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Keep - there are already 418 subcategories in
Category:Compositions by composer. I suggest that this needs refining, which can be done in multiple ways—including ethnicity/country of origin.
Beeswaxcandle (
talk) 06:35, 1 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment – I suggest that creating such categories is fraught with problems of nationalistic and anachronistic categorisation, and as there is no easy way to reference category membership, they will invite controversial edits. For a start:
Benatzky?
Handel?,
Mahler?
Mozart? --
Michael Bednarek (
talk) 08:12, 1 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Clear Keep - This is a perfectly valid category. It seems to me that the rationale offered for deletion/upmerging is awfully flimsy. First of all, just because there may not at present be any other categories for a future
Category:Compositions by nationality of composer doesn't mean this category should be done away with; rather it suggests that additional categories are awaiting creation. Category trees are not expected to be created en masse in their entirety -- they generally grow incrementally, one or two sub-cats at a time. Think of it as a seedling, if you will.
And lastly, the suggestion that categories like this are inherently problematic due to alleged issues regarding nationality is pretty silly. To begin with, that argument (if it were valid) would apply equally to the proposed upmerge target,
Category:Works by Czech people -- and all of its counterparts. But to be very clear: it simply isn't an issue. Simply put, all of the composers whose works are included herein are already categorized by their nationality. This is also true for the examples offered by the nominator, some of whom have been categorized under more than one nationality, when that has been deemed appropriate. Ergo, in a Compositions by nationality of composer scheme their compositions would simply be categorized in accord with those nationalities.
Cgingold (
talk) 00:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)reply
A difference is that categorising a article about a person by the nationality of the person will follow from the text within the article (and can be challenged at article level). Putting
Category:Works by J. R. R. Tolkien into
Category:Works by English people includes an assertion that JRRT is English, which doesn't follow from the category itself and won't show up on the JRRT watchlist. I would not myself support the creation of any of these 'boos by fooians' schemes and am certainly opposed to any extension of them. (Neither am I keen on putting compositions into composer ('people') categories.)
Occuli (
talk) 09:03, 2 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Yes, I'd endorse that.
Occuli explains this well. --Kleinzach 05:42, 10 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment – There is obviously great reluctance (or apathy) to categorise compositions by nationality: the tree under
Category:Works by nationality is spectactularly bereft of "compositions" (e.g. zero Italians and Russians, 4 Germans, one of them Handel). This indicates to me that a comprehensive categorisation scheme of compositions by nationality is not going to be established any time soon. Even the opera of the aforementioned
Pavel Haas doesn't appear anywhere in that tree. --
Michael Bednarek (
talk) 06:32, 2 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom; doesn't look like it's part of an overall scheme. It could be; but at this stage it is not.
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Category:Stations with enamel panels
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Rename. the first thing that came to my mind when I saw the category was
art deco gas stations with enamel panels, which I assume should not be included in this category. Einar aka
Carptrash (
talk) 17:40, 30 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Delete. This is not defining for the stations. I fail to see how having a few panels can be considered as defining. If this stays, will we need to create a category like
Category:Towns with enamel street signs? If kept, it probably should be renamed to
Category:Railway stations with vitreous enamel panels since enamel is ambiguous. Also some have panels which is ambiguous and others have plaques which further confuses the naming.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 18:41, 31 October 2011 (UTC)reply
Rename. I am happy with
Vegaswikian's proposal that this should be renamed to
Category:Railway stations with vitreous enamel panels since both "station" and "enamel" are potentially ambiguous. But it might be even better to rename it to
Category:Railway stations with decorative vitreous enamel panels because my idea when I added this category was not to capture all railway stations where the name of the station is on a vitreous enamel sign (which would include far too many railway stations to be interesting), but to identify all railway stations where vitreous enamel signs are used as a decorative element (which I believe is a useful category because vitreous enamel panels aren't often used decoratively in railway stations).
Winstonsmith99 (
talk) 00:17, 1 November 2011 (UTC)reply
In which case that would be a quadruple intersection which we generally tend to not categorize. We usually stop at double intersections. And decorative is rather subjective.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 05:14, 1 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Comment Most stations, at least in Europe but I suspect everywhere, use vitreous enamel for their big platform name signs & very often other signage - certainly all London Underground ones. This is clearly not defining, & I'm dubious that additional decorative use is, although I don't share Vegas's view that this is subjective. "Enamel panels" is little help, as it suggests the signage is meant. A rename to
Category:Railway stations with decorative vitreous enamel would be best if a category is justified at all.
Johnbod (
talk) 17:25, 1 November 2011 (UTC)reply
keep and rename to
Category:Railway stations with vitreous enamel panels per above. With only 30 stations in this category out of the thousands of above and below ground railway/railroad stations that exist, this is distinctive.
Hmains (
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Category:Giedraičiai
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Dana boomer (
talk) 01:46, 15 November 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Using the conventions of the family categories and the head article
Giedraitis family.--
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Category:Golitsyns
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Dana boomer (
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Nominator's rationale: Using the conventions of family categories, and the spelling at the head article
Galitzine.--
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