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Delete as misnamed and small cat. I would suggest merging but both articles are already adequately covered by many other categories, so I do not think we need to merge anywhere.
John Pack Lambert (
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03:50, 14 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Hm? I didn't advocate or even suggest listifying. I don't think it would be particularly appropriate here; it reminds me of the recently deleted
Countries that Britain has attacked. Was this intended for the entry below, or did you want to rename it per my suggestion? --
BDD (
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23:26, 18 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Delete - I am looking at
Category:Ships by conflict (a concept that could be seen as somewhat comparable) and not seeing anything like
Category:Ships attacked by country. I went to look for any sort of "locations by conflict" (like church buildings or parks), but I'm not finding any. If it were more than just 2 articles, I'd suggest listifying. But as long as each article links to the other, I think we can safely delete this category. - jc3707:28, 19 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Place names of Native American origin in the United States
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Nominator's rationale First off, we categorize things by what they are, not what they are named. These categories mix lots of iddferent things. Several of the places involved are named
Logan, which is a name that was used by some Native American people, but in its origin is not "Native American". Secondly, several of these places were named after rivers, which may have Native American deirved names, but the naming of the place after the river was the decision of European Americans. Worst of all in the California category were have a case of a place named after a river in Pennsylvania, with no evidence that there were any Native Americans involved in transporting the name to California. From a linguistic standpoint, it is not clear that the way this schema is set up makes sense, even without the totally bizarre inclusion of Logan.
John Pack Lambert (
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23:03, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Listify -- Identifying places with a Native American origin is (or should be) significant area of study. It should be possible to convert a list to a table, with further columns for the mening of the name and the language from which it came. This will in turn indicate the area occupied by that tribe. I have no idea how far advacned placename studies are in America, but it is a singificant area of study in England, from which historians draw conclusions. The fact that a place is named after a river that bears a native-derived name is not significant, not would it be objectionable if the native-derived name were compounded with one from elsewhere (e.g. English). On the other hand, I would support the exclusion of names taken to California by colonists from the East Coast states, but that is a matter of editing the resultant article. I presume there are names in California derived from tribes native there. The lack of
WP:RS initially should be no objection to inclusion in the list. Dealing with erroneous inclusions is a matter of editing the resultant article.
Peterkingiron (
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21:10, 14 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Listify -I support Peter Kingiron's proposal for putting this in a tabular form. Further, I think a name of Native American origin should be included, even if subsequent settlers actually transported the name to another geographic location. The tabular format should have separate columns to identify the (English) definition of the native name, the language of origin, etc.
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23:32, 16 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Logan Fontenelle
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Nominator's rationale Besides the article on the person, the contents of the category are places named after him, or in many cases, possibly named after him, since in some of the cases the articles do not say who the place was named for. We generally do not group things together just because they were named after a given person.
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Category:New Testament history
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Nominator's rationale: The
Template:Centuries in Christianity lists the category alongside 21 other centuries as if it was a century in its own right. It seems to occupy some twilight-zone temporal position. On the assumption that the last book of the New Testament was written before the end of the 1st century, then this category can only occupy the 1st century. The proposed candidate covers the 1st, 2nd & 3rd centuries so it fits neatly into that structure. If it is felt that it merits its own category, then Early Ancient history of Christianity would have to be re-defined to confine itself to just the 2nd and 3rd centuries. I would not be in favour of this as it breaks with academic treatment of the topic.
Laurel Lodged (
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Comment I can see nothing that would prevent
Category:Early Ancient history of Christianity having New Testament as another parent. While it would not be the primary tree structure, it would be a useful addition. In that context then, I think that Presidentman's suggestion becomes moot; nothing in the proposal as it stands would prevent the New Testament happening.
Laurel Lodged (
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12:58, 16 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment—this (parenting Early Ancient to New Testament) would be inappropriate as the New Testament period is a subset of of this strange construct "Early Ancient".
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07:19, 17 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Query I'm not sure that I understand Carlossuarez46's proposal. Would pruning have the effect of have one category called "History of the New Testament" (whose scope was limited in effect to the 1st century) and another category called "Early Ancient history of Christianity" (whose scope was limited in effect to the 2nd century)? If so, how would such a schema differ from having
Category:1st-century Christianity and
Category:2nd-century Christianity? Would such a scenario not introduce rampant redundancy?
Laurel Lodged (
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13:07, 16 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Category:New Testament. Mangoe's categories might be creatable, but not all the stuff clearly would go there. There might also be a possibility of a category for the creation of the New Testament, but little if any of the current contents would go there. The current contents best go into the New Testament category.
John Pack Lambert (
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03:53, 14 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose We already have a category on "Category:1st-century Christianity". Why merge a category which lists 1st-century people, events, and groups into a category which also covers two other centuries?
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Category:Binaca Geetmala chart toppers
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. The category is for songs which were number one for the week for a specific radio program. This is not a proper criterion for categorizing.
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20:49, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Good point. After all, someone has set up sub-categories within
Category:Number-one singles in the United States for separate charts run by some obscure organisation in that country. "Obscure" appears to be a word meaning "something we don't have in my country".
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Category:Old Testament saints
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Nominator's rationale:Rename for clarity, and being specific about which religion is meant. Even though the individuals were not known as "Christians" in their lifetime, the meaning will be sufficiently clear i.e. people venerated by Christians. This CFD nomination follows a consensus at
Category talk:Old Testament saints, where this suggestion was made by
user:John Carter. –
FayenaticLondon20:17, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. Also, could we get a decision that people in this category should not be put in specific denominational categories. Since the people involved did not even identify as Christians, at least per any clear source we have, it makes even less sense to categorize them by specific denominations of Christianity. This category alone should meet the need to show that they are identified as Christian Saints, without putting them in specific denominational categories.
John Pack Lambert (
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20:28, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment: Probably not. The point of denomination categories for saints is to record the denominations that venerate the person, not the denomination of which they were a member. –
FayenaticLondon20:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment -- I regard this as a very peculiar category. Any one recognised as holy (i.e. a saint) in the Old Testament is likely to be recognised as such by Jews. Most OT categories got moved to "Hebrew scriptures" or something like that because they are scritptures for Jews as well. I wonder whether the answer is that this should be deleted, but perhpas some one should check that all articles have appropriate other categories first.
Peterkingiron (
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21:22, 14 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Rename to
Category:Old Testament figures venerated in Christianity. Calling these people "saints" is a misnomer. As others have pointed out saints in Christianity are Christians and none of the patriachs, prophets and various wives listed in this category and the female sub-category can truly be said to be Christian. Some argument could be made for the archangels in the list, but, as both Michael and Gabriel also appear in the New Testament and Raphael only appears in Tobit, I think this would be a red herring. Another good clue to recognition of sainthood in the church is the dedication of churches & schools to the particular saint. I can't think of any St. Moses, St. Joel, St. Habbakuk or St. Bathsheba to name a few from the category.
Beeswaxcandle (
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05:36, 16 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Considering category
Category:Anglican saints includes people who were most definately not Anglicans, including at least one person involved in the counter-reformation and thus actively fighting Protestantism, we seem to have accepted that Saints are anyone a Christian Church calls Saints, and that events in the actual person's lives are not relevant to whether or not they are saints.
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Category:Graduates of the Royal Military College Sandhurst
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. The name of the institution should use a comma, as its official name was simply the Royal Military College, although it was frequently referred to as Sandhurst, where it was located (and the comma is always used when the latter is added to the former). To clarify, the current
Royal Military Academy Sandhurst (RMAS) was formed after the Second World World War by the amalgamation of the Royal Military College and the Royal Military Academy (at Woolwich) on the site of the former. This is not the same institution as the RMAS, but one of two predecessors. I previously tried to speedy this (it is only a comma after all), but it was
opposed by another editor who appeared to confuse the two institutions. When the difference was pointed out to him, he continued to oppose it, apparently because he still misunderstood. There are separate
Category:Graduates of the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst and
Category:Graduates of the Royal Military Academy, Woolwich. --
Necrothesp (
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15:31, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. Also rename article and amend its text to add a comma before "Sandhurst", passim. Similar changes need to be made for RMC, Woolwich; RNC, Dartmouth; and RNC Greenwich; perhpas a few more. The argument on having separate alumni categories for predecessors is contrary to WP precedents. We have a long consensus that alumni of renamed or merged colleges are deemed to be alumni of the successor. I would not advocate this being carried to the lenghts of Woolwich alumni being added to the Sandhurst category: though technically they may have merged, we should treat Woolwich as having closed (for this purpose).
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21:31, 14 December 2012 (UTC)reply
While I personally deplore the poor English, it is a sad truth that the current institution is usually referred to as the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst without the comma. This is not, however, the case for the predecessor. I also think that separate categories should be maintained: the previous Sandhurst trained only infantry and cavalry officers, whereas the current Sandhurst trains all officers. --
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16:34, 15 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Suzhou geography stubs
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Category:Photographs by war
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Nominator's rationale: Even if we want all these underpopulated subcats, new articles on notable images (such as
Joseph Patrick Dwyer, image just added to article) could not be placed in this category w/o first being given a cat based on which war they were from. better to have the name allow for both categories and loose articles.
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Category:Photographs by theme
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Or 'by topic' – looking at
Category:Works by topic there are several synonyms for 'topic' included amongst the schemes gathered together, and then there are 'genre', 'discipline' as well. It is a pity one cannot see at a glance who the creators of these myriads might be, but one suspects the dread hand of the mysterious Stefanomione.
Oculi (
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14:08, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose - "subject" is who/what is being photographed, not by what the photograph represents (to whom?). So a photo of the Eifel Tower's subject is the Eifel Tower, not engineering works.
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Category:Jedi religion
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Comment The parent categories of this category are rather inappropriate. "Fictional religions" and "religion in science fiction" make it sound as an element of fiction. While the articles
Jediism and
Jedi census phenomenon are about real-life people who self-identify as followers of a Jedi religion.
Dimadick (
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13:14, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Selective upmerge, replace with template: They are not all navigable at the moment;
Peter Lee (martial artist) (apparently a self-proclaimed founder of Jediism -- the citation is currently unavailable) is not linked from any of the others. Therefore the category has a function. However, I think a new Jedi navbox template would be better, with in-universe and real-world sections. As for the parent categories, the articles should be selectively upmerged before deletion. –
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Category:Day care sexual abuse allegations
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Rename to match article names. This is supposed to be about allegations that fit into a specific phenomenon, not a generalized category to hold everything that could be interpreted to fit the title.
John Pack Lambert (
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01:29, 14 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose Objective name is allegations; see
hysteria to see what that's a loaded word - perhaps it should be put in the only use with caution category like
terrorist. If we go with hysteria, do we get to categorize all those caught up in these day care things as "hysterical"? would seem the next logical move.
Carlossuarez46 (
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02:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Note there is at least one indisputable real case in this category now i.e.
Amsterdam sex crimes case. And by the way, the shock if not moral panic here in Amsterdam was enormous: parents started to feel uncomfortable with men working in child day care centers. Even if this category is renamed there is a need for a category with allegations, because it is difficult to distinguish real and fake allegations.
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Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Pieface007
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Nominator's rationale: No activity from this vandal for years; also,
WP:DENY.
bd2412T 00:58, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
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Delete as misnamed and small cat. I would suggest merging but both articles are already adequately covered by many other categories, so I do not think we need to merge anywhere.
John Pack Lambert (
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03:50, 14 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Hm? I didn't advocate or even suggest listifying. I don't think it would be particularly appropriate here; it reminds me of the recently deleted
Countries that Britain has attacked. Was this intended for the entry below, or did you want to rename it per my suggestion? --
BDD (
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23:26, 18 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Delete - I am looking at
Category:Ships by conflict (a concept that could be seen as somewhat comparable) and not seeing anything like
Category:Ships attacked by country. I went to look for any sort of "locations by conflict" (like church buildings or parks), but I'm not finding any. If it were more than just 2 articles, I'd suggest listifying. But as long as each article links to the other, I think we can safely delete this category. - jc3707:28, 19 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Place names of Native American origin in the United States
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Nominator's rationale First off, we categorize things by what they are, not what they are named. These categories mix lots of iddferent things. Several of the places involved are named
Logan, which is a name that was used by some Native American people, but in its origin is not "Native American". Secondly, several of these places were named after rivers, which may have Native American deirved names, but the naming of the place after the river was the decision of European Americans. Worst of all in the California category were have a case of a place named after a river in Pennsylvania, with no evidence that there were any Native Americans involved in transporting the name to California. From a linguistic standpoint, it is not clear that the way this schema is set up makes sense, even without the totally bizarre inclusion of Logan.
John Pack Lambert (
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23:03, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Listify -- Identifying places with a Native American origin is (or should be) significant area of study. It should be possible to convert a list to a table, with further columns for the mening of the name and the language from which it came. This will in turn indicate the area occupied by that tribe. I have no idea how far advacned placename studies are in America, but it is a singificant area of study in England, from which historians draw conclusions. The fact that a place is named after a river that bears a native-derived name is not significant, not would it be objectionable if the native-derived name were compounded with one from elsewhere (e.g. English). On the other hand, I would support the exclusion of names taken to California by colonists from the East Coast states, but that is a matter of editing the resultant article. I presume there are names in California derived from tribes native there. The lack of
WP:RS initially should be no objection to inclusion in the list. Dealing with erroneous inclusions is a matter of editing the resultant article.
Peterkingiron (
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21:10, 14 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Listify -I support Peter Kingiron's proposal for putting this in a tabular form. Further, I think a name of Native American origin should be included, even if subsequent settlers actually transported the name to another geographic location. The tabular format should have separate columns to identify the (English) definition of the native name, the language of origin, etc.
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23:32, 16 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Logan Fontenelle
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Nominator's rationale Besides the article on the person, the contents of the category are places named after him, or in many cases, possibly named after him, since in some of the cases the articles do not say who the place was named for. We generally do not group things together just because they were named after a given person.
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Category:New Testament history
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Nominator's rationale: The
Template:Centuries in Christianity lists the category alongside 21 other centuries as if it was a century in its own right. It seems to occupy some twilight-zone temporal position. On the assumption that the last book of the New Testament was written before the end of the 1st century, then this category can only occupy the 1st century. The proposed candidate covers the 1st, 2nd & 3rd centuries so it fits neatly into that structure. If it is felt that it merits its own category, then Early Ancient history of Christianity would have to be re-defined to confine itself to just the 2nd and 3rd centuries. I would not be in favour of this as it breaks with academic treatment of the topic.
Laurel Lodged (
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Comment I can see nothing that would prevent
Category:Early Ancient history of Christianity having New Testament as another parent. While it would not be the primary tree structure, it would be a useful addition. In that context then, I think that Presidentman's suggestion becomes moot; nothing in the proposal as it stands would prevent the New Testament happening.
Laurel Lodged (
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12:58, 16 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment—this (parenting Early Ancient to New Testament) would be inappropriate as the New Testament period is a subset of of this strange construct "Early Ancient".
Beeswaxcandle (
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07:19, 17 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Query I'm not sure that I understand Carlossuarez46's proposal. Would pruning have the effect of have one category called "History of the New Testament" (whose scope was limited in effect to the 1st century) and another category called "Early Ancient history of Christianity" (whose scope was limited in effect to the 2nd century)? If so, how would such a schema differ from having
Category:1st-century Christianity and
Category:2nd-century Christianity? Would such a scenario not introduce rampant redundancy?
Laurel Lodged (
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13:07, 16 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Merge to
Category:New Testament. Mangoe's categories might be creatable, but not all the stuff clearly would go there. There might also be a possibility of a category for the creation of the New Testament, but little if any of the current contents would go there. The current contents best go into the New Testament category.
John Pack Lambert (
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03:53, 14 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose We already have a category on "Category:1st-century Christianity". Why merge a category which lists 1st-century people, events, and groups into a category which also covers two other centuries?
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10:28, 14 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Binaca Geetmala chart toppers
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. The category is for songs which were number one for the week for a specific radio program. This is not a proper criterion for categorizing.
Buck Winston (
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20:49, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Good point. After all, someone has set up sub-categories within
Category:Number-one singles in the United States for separate charts run by some obscure organisation in that country. "Obscure" appears to be a word meaning "something we don't have in my country".
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Category:Old Testament saints
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Nominator's rationale:Rename for clarity, and being specific about which religion is meant. Even though the individuals were not known as "Christians" in their lifetime, the meaning will be sufficiently clear i.e. people venerated by Christians. This CFD nomination follows a consensus at
Category talk:Old Testament saints, where this suggestion was made by
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FayenaticLondon20:17, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. Also, could we get a decision that people in this category should not be put in specific denominational categories. Since the people involved did not even identify as Christians, at least per any clear source we have, it makes even less sense to categorize them by specific denominations of Christianity. This category alone should meet the need to show that they are identified as Christian Saints, without putting them in specific denominational categories.
John Pack Lambert (
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20:28, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment: Probably not. The point of denomination categories for saints is to record the denominations that venerate the person, not the denomination of which they were a member. –
FayenaticLondon20:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Comment -- I regard this as a very peculiar category. Any one recognised as holy (i.e. a saint) in the Old Testament is likely to be recognised as such by Jews. Most OT categories got moved to "Hebrew scriptures" or something like that because they are scritptures for Jews as well. I wonder whether the answer is that this should be deleted, but perhpas some one should check that all articles have appropriate other categories first.
Peterkingiron (
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21:22, 14 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Rename to
Category:Old Testament figures venerated in Christianity. Calling these people "saints" is a misnomer. As others have pointed out saints in Christianity are Christians and none of the patriachs, prophets and various wives listed in this category and the female sub-category can truly be said to be Christian. Some argument could be made for the archangels in the list, but, as both Michael and Gabriel also appear in the New Testament and Raphael only appears in Tobit, I think this would be a red herring. Another good clue to recognition of sainthood in the church is the dedication of churches & schools to the particular saint. I can't think of any St. Moses, St. Joel, St. Habbakuk or St. Bathsheba to name a few from the category.
Beeswaxcandle (
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05:36, 16 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Considering category
Category:Anglican saints includes people who were most definately not Anglicans, including at least one person involved in the counter-reformation and thus actively fighting Protestantism, we seem to have accepted that Saints are anyone a Christian Church calls Saints, and that events in the actual person's lives are not relevant to whether or not they are saints.
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02:26, 17 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Graduates of the Royal Military College Sandhurst
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Nominator's rationale:Rename. The name of the institution should use a comma, as its official name was simply the Royal Military College, although it was frequently referred to as Sandhurst, where it was located (and the comma is always used when the latter is added to the former). To clarify, the current
Royal Military Academy Sandhurst (RMAS) was formed after the Second World World War by the amalgamation of the Royal Military College and the Royal Military Academy (at Woolwich) on the site of the former. This is not the same institution as the RMAS, but one of two predecessors. I previously tried to speedy this (it is only a comma after all), but it was
opposed by another editor who appeared to confuse the two institutions. When the difference was pointed out to him, he continued to oppose it, apparently because he still misunderstood. There are separate
Category:Graduates of the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst and
Category:Graduates of the Royal Military Academy, Woolwich. --
Necrothesp (
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15:31, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. Also rename article and amend its text to add a comma before "Sandhurst", passim. Similar changes need to be made for RMC, Woolwich; RNC, Dartmouth; and RNC Greenwich; perhpas a few more. The argument on having separate alumni categories for predecessors is contrary to WP precedents. We have a long consensus that alumni of renamed or merged colleges are deemed to be alumni of the successor. I would not advocate this being carried to the lenghts of Woolwich alumni being added to the Sandhurst category: though technically they may have merged, we should treat Woolwich as having closed (for this purpose).
Peterkingiron (
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21:31, 14 December 2012 (UTC)reply
While I personally deplore the poor English, it is a sad truth that the current institution is usually referred to as the Royal Military Academy Sandhurst without the comma. This is not, however, the case for the predecessor. I also think that separate categories should be maintained: the previous Sandhurst trained only infantry and cavalry officers, whereas the current Sandhurst trains all officers. --
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16:34, 15 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Suzhou geography stubs
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Category:Photographs by war
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Nominator's rationale: Even if we want all these underpopulated subcats, new articles on notable images (such as
Joseph Patrick Dwyer, image just added to article) could not be placed in this category w/o first being given a cat based on which war they were from. better to have the name allow for both categories and loose articles.
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07:55, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Photographs by theme
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Or 'by topic' – looking at
Category:Works by topic there are several synonyms for 'topic' included amongst the schemes gathered together, and then there are 'genre', 'discipline' as well. It is a pity one cannot see at a glance who the creators of these myriads might be, but one suspects the dread hand of the mysterious Stefanomione.
Oculi (
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14:08, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose - "subject" is who/what is being photographed, not by what the photograph represents (to whom?). So a photo of the Eifel Tower's subject is the Eifel Tower, not engineering works.
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02:42, 14 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Jedi religion
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Comment The parent categories of this category are rather inappropriate. "Fictional religions" and "religion in science fiction" make it sound as an element of fiction. While the articles
Jediism and
Jedi census phenomenon are about real-life people who self-identify as followers of a Jedi religion.
Dimadick (
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13:14, 13 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Selective upmerge, replace with template: They are not all navigable at the moment;
Peter Lee (martial artist) (apparently a self-proclaimed founder of Jediism -- the citation is currently unavailable) is not linked from any of the others. Therefore the category has a function. However, I think a new Jedi navbox template would be better, with in-universe and real-world sections. As for the parent categories, the articles should be selectively upmerged before deletion. –
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Category:Day care sexual abuse allegations
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Rename to match article names. This is supposed to be about allegations that fit into a specific phenomenon, not a generalized category to hold everything that could be interpreted to fit the title.
John Pack Lambert (
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01:29, 14 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Oppose Objective name is allegations; see
hysteria to see what that's a loaded word - perhaps it should be put in the only use with caution category like
terrorist. If we go with hysteria, do we get to categorize all those caught up in these day care things as "hysterical"? would seem the next logical move.
Carlossuarez46 (
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02:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)reply
Note there is at least one indisputable real case in this category now i.e.
Amsterdam sex crimes case. And by the way, the shock if not moral panic here in Amsterdam was enormous: parents started to feel uncomfortable with men working in child day care centers. Even if this category is renamed there is a need for a category with allegations, because it is difficult to distinguish real and fake allegations.
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14:00, 28 December 2012 (UTC)reply
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Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Pieface007
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Nominator's rationale: No activity from this vandal for years; also,
WP:DENY.
bd2412T 00:58, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
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