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The result of the discussion was:Withdrawn by nominator.htonl (
talk) 18:00, 15 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Merge parent and Rename children. The two categories
Category:Cities, towns and villages in South Africa and
Category:Settlements in South Africa serve exactly the same purpose. Settlements is a more inclusive term, particularly in South Africa where, apart from cities, towns and villages, there are also such things as suburbs, townships, informal settlements, and so on. The child categories should be renamed to correspond with the parent.
htonl (
talk) 22:57, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Nomination withdrawn: The nomination at
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 March 14#Cities, towns and villages has been withdrawn so that there can instead be further centralised discussion. This nomination deals with exactly the same issue, and the same arguments apply. I am withdrawing the nomination pending further discussion. -
htonl (
talk) 17:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom for brevity and clarity. Unfortunately,
Himalayan Explorer (
talk·contribs) has been busy merging and renaming settlement categories all around the world to use the clumsy "Cities, towns and villages" format, without seeking consensus for any of these moves, all on the basis of a single
2005 CFD on palces in the former Yugoslavia. AFAICS, many of these have been mass renamings done using AWB, but when I tried discussing it with Himalayan_Explorer, I found an explicit refusal to seek consensus and a rejection of the validity of any consensus formed at CFD (see
User talk:Himalayan Explorer#Consensus_for_these_category_moves.3F). So I expect that any decision made here will be reverted out-of-process. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 00:50, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Resplit out to original names - In South Africa, cities, towns and villages have an explicit meaning, but combining them in this fashion makes no sense whatsoever and seems to be an attempt to establish a result by fait accompli rather than through reasonable process.
Orderinchaos 02:54, 15 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment: There are categories
Category:Cities in South Africa,
Category:Suburbs in South Africa and
Category:Villages in South Africa (for some reason there is no
Category:Towns in South Africa, but nothing prevents its creation). Do you not agree that all of these things - i.e. "named places where people live" - ought to share some over-arching category? "City", "town" and "village" don't actually have explicit meanings in South Africa; as far as I know there is no specific rule that distinguishes cities from large towns, or small towns from villages. I don't understand your complaint about not going through reasonable process - surely here, CFD, is the correct process? -
htonl (
talk) 09:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Further comment: Ah, I have just noticed your remark on the global nom about
User:Himalayan Explorer, which gives context to your comment about faits accompli. These categories have been with us for almost two years now, so I guess in some sense his fait is already accompli. But yes, I can see where you're coming from with that, although I still think that some type of "Settlements in X" (not necessarily under that name) is a sensible category to have to group together the various kinds of human settlement. -
htonl (
talk) 10:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Grêmio Recreativo Barueri players
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 07:04, 21 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename. This category needs to be moved to match the main article's name (the main article was recently moved to the current club name,
Grêmio Prudente Futebol.
Carioca (
talk) 22:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. Many of the players' pages need to be updated to reflect the name change as well.
GobonoboTC 05:26, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Rename per nominator. --
BigDom 07:55, 20 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Uncut magazine compilation albums
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The result of the discussion was:Merge.
Vegaswikian (
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Category:Requests for unblock
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No objections, but maybe "Wikipedians requesting to be unblocked" would be better? Sandstein 20:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comments. Most "Wikipedians xxxxx" category consist of wikipedians expressing their interests, and it seems to be to be a mistake to use the same convention for a maintenance category. The current name is concise and self-evident, so I'm not sure what problem this renaming is intended to solve. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 21:06, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose per above. Solution looking for a problem puzzle to fit into. Also, last I checked, much (not most; much) of those requesting unblock aren't Wikipedians.—Jeremy(
v^_^vDittobori) 21:35, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Increasing the use of jargon is a bad thing, not a good thing. It's not broken. Don't fix it. --
jpgordon::==( o ) 22:21, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose: Maybe if this was proposed years ago before every admin had already memorized
WP:RFU, then I would support this. But this is an administrative category used for housekeeping and not a category normal users would even every need to look up, so there's no benefit to renaming it. -- Netsnipe ► 22:25, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose Per BrownHairedGirl's rationale.
TNXMan 22:27, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose The naming guideline only requires to prepend "Wikipedia" where confusing is likely, which is not the case here.
Debresser (
talk) 22:50, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose. "Wikipedians" suggests a userspace category (and often one supported by a userbox: "This user is requesting unblock". Naaaaaaaaah... ). I don't see what's not working here.
Daniel Case (
talk) 23:36, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose per the pile-on.
Hersfold(
t/
a/
c) 04:27, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Please don't I don't see any reason for this change other than to make it conform to some imagined naming convention. Renaming it will cause more problems than it solves.
Beeblebrox (
talk) 16:10, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
OpposeToo many admins already RFU is easy, it refers to Requests for Unblock - no real need to rename the category as nothing is broken here - no problem is being solved (
talk→BWilkins←track) 16:39, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Songs by songwriter
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Strong oppose. There may be some merit is looking at a way of making these categories more inclusive, but this proposal replaces a relatively brief and thoroughly self-evident category name with something which is verbose, unintuitive, and superfluous in the vast majority of cases. I do assume good faith, and I don't want to be rude, but this proposal really would have benefited from more consideration before making a nomination. Also, considering the huge number of categories which would be affected, this proposal obviously needs to have wide support if it is to be adopted. Am I right to trust that the nominator has already notified all relevant wikiprojects, and has not yet got around to listing those notifications here? --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 19:57, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose - Intention seems appropriate but the proposed new name seems clumbersome. National Anthems also don't fit, although perhaps it's intented they are seperate, a bit of exception to be considered. Regards,
SunCreator (
talk) 23:05, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Strongly oppose. For many reasons including those above and others not mentioned. Having said that I have been having an on-off discussion about this very item and if you want to drop me a note maybe we can find a solution? --
Richhoncho (
talk) 09:41, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose. There are thousands of categories with "songs" in their title whose contents would have to be reevaluated under this scheme. "Songs" is slightly imprecise, but it's way better than trying to be that precise.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 16:31, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose Too wordy.
GobonoboTC 05:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Songs by artist
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Strong oppose. There may be some merit is looking at a way of making these categories more inclusive, but this proposal replaces a relatively brief and thoroughly self-evident category name with something which is verbose, unintuitive, and superfluous in the vast majority of cases. I do assume good faith, and I don't want to be rude, but this proposal really would have benefited from more consideration before making a nomination. Also, considering the huge number of categories which would be affected, this proposal obviously needs to have wide support if it is to be adopted. Am I right to trust that the nominator has already notified all relevant wikiprojects, and has not yet got around to listing those notifications here? --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 19:58, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose. However, if you had suggested renaming to "Recordings by artist" you would have had my full support. The sub-categories of
Category:Foo songs is so often misleading and wrong. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 20:03, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose If needed, this might be a parent category for "songs". How does this relate to the recent discussions on works of art categories initiated by Kleinzach?
Johnbod (
talk) 21:22, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose – and it should be 'songs by recording artist' (per its preamble "This category and its subcategories list songs by recording artist"), not 'recordings by artist'.
Occuli (
talk) 21:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment to Occuli, but that's the rationale behind this nomination, that not all entries are actually "songs" in the technical sense of the word. Besides my reasons for disliking the cat name, Koavf is trying to avoid 2 categories for every artist that has released both instrumentals and songs. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 22:43, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment - Good intention. Regards,
SunCreator (
talk) 23:09, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose. There are thousands of categories with "songs" in their title whose contents would have to be reevaluated under this scheme. "Songs" is slightly imprecise, but it's way better than trying to be that precise.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 16:31, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment, whereas I understand your pain at the number of song cats around that might need changing, equally, there are too many comments and CfD/CfR like as at
Category talk:Giorgio Moroder songs, (although I now agree with the nominator here that "songs" may not be the correct word). It would be wrong to say "because that's what WP has always done" and in this case I think "recordings by artist" satisfies all criteria. It might be a big job, but sooner or later it will have to be done. IMO. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 13:26, 17 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment. 'Tunes' also worth considering. Regards,
SunCreator (
talk) 01:14, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Further comment. Unfortunately, "tunes" doesn't necessarily include lyrics, whereas in every instance a "recording" exists - although one could say it should be "audio recording" --
Richhoncho (
talk) 12:52, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Can you give an example article of something that 'include(s) lyrics' but is not a tune? At this moment I can't think what you mean. Regards,
SunCreator (
talk) 21:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
I thought that was the opposite of what I said. A 'tune,' and you can refer to the disambig page
Tune, does not include lyrics, but if you really want something with lyrics but no tune you could start with the
dub poets, but I have passed over to
WP:OR with that! Cheers. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 22:49, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
I now follow what you meant before and yes I got it the opposite way around. To answer the second part, the
Tune link leads to the
tune definition. Your referring to the first definition I believe(1. A melody.) without lyrics, whereas my meaning here is the second definition(2. A song, or short musical composition). A tune in that sense covers all the 'Compositions, songs, and instrumentals' that this category is intended to. Regards,
SunCreator (
talk) 19:49, 20 March 2010 (UTC)reply
M-W and OED definitions of 'tune' do not include lyrics, although both define 'tunesmith' as a writer of popular songs. Cheers. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 06:58, 21 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose Too wordy.
GobonoboTC 05:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Image deletion templates
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 07:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Per the namespace rename & because some of these templates are used on .ogg or .pdf files, where the term "image" doesn't apply.
The Evil IP address (
talk) 17:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Speedy rename per nominator. Everything has long since been renamed to "file".
Debresser (
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Category:Rastafari
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. The
discussion to move the article was closed as "no consensus". There doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm here for renaming to match the current article name. If the category is renominated now that the attempt to move the article has failed, maybe that sentiment will change.Good Ol’factory(talk) 02:53, 1 April 2010 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: To match
main article and because this appears to be a category named as an adjective. —
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯ 04:19, 5 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose - not an adjective. Rastafari combines a noun,
Ras with a personal name,
Tafari.
Guettarda (
talk) 04:33, 5 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment The word
is an adjective in addition to being a noun. The problem I was highlighting is that it appears to be an adjective by itself as a name. —
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯ 05:17, 5 March 2010 (UTC)reply
"Appears" to whom? "Movement" seems a little insulting, don't you think? Calling a religion a 'movement' strikes me a as a little denigrating.
Guettarda (
talk) 16:36, 5 March 2010 (UTC)reply
The convention is that the category name follows the article name. If you want to rename
Rastafari movement, then open a
WP:RM discussion for the article ... but this discussion cannot rename the article. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 16:44, 5 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Struck my !vote, since it seems that the name of main article may need reconsideration. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 21:31, 11 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose re Guettarda. I think we would be better off changing the article name to
Rastafari and we should certainly consider this as an alternative. I am not sure how one would use the word Rastafari as an adjective, it would for instance be a Rastafarian chalice not a Rastafari chalice. Thanks,
SqueakBoxtalkcontribs 18:26, 5 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Support Rename to match title of parent article.
Alansohn (
talk) 19:17, 5 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose Seems to be a case where the article is incorrectly named, and should be brought into line with this, rather than the other way around. It's certainly not a "movement", as Guettarda correctly highlights - it seems to be a combined culture and belief from what I can gather. Have heard the BBC refer to "a Rastafari" or "the Rastafari", so it's clearly not a non-standard usage.
Orderinchaos 18:29, 9 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment. Suggest a
WP:RM discussion on the article, and holding this CFD until that discussion reaches a conclusion one way or the other. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 19:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Jafeluv (
talk) 14:50, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
For the record: I support moving this category, unless there's consensus to rename the article. Most of the same arguments expressed in the RM apply here as well.
Jafeluv (
talk) 09:39, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
To be closed according to the outcome of the article-move discussion, please.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment Rastafaris find the term offensive, so they don't use it themselves. Application of the name by Wikipedia might be original research or just plain slander (however obscure and well-intentioned.) —
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯ 03:38, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose Off the cuff I'd say Rastafarian religion nails it, but I'm curious to see if a proposed move at
Rastafari movement goes anywhere first.
GobonoboTC 05:45, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Japanese performing arts
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 07:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Support per nom and convention.
GobonoboTC 05:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:20th-century activists
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The result of the discussion was:Delete. While upmerging is reasonable for cateegories like this, the pages are already in other subcategories of the parent category here, so there's no need to upmerge.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 08:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Delete. Numerous recent discussions of people-by-occupation-by-century categories have shown a strong consensus against 20th- and 21st-century categories of people-by-occupation-and-century, partly because most biographical articles relate to those two centuries and 100-year blocks are a bad way of grouping articles from that period. Category:Activists is already sub-categorised both by issue and by nationality (and by intersections of the two in
Category:Activists by issue and nationality), and also by ethnicity. This form of grouping is much more useful for navigation than using the arbitrary division of centuries to group largely unrelated articles; if fully populated
Category:20th-century activists would lump an Edwardian
English suffragette into the same category as a 1990s Bolivian trade unionist, a
Japanese anti-death penalty activist, a
Norwegian pro-life activist, and an American
BDSM activist. This is pointless: we already have
Special:Random for readers who want to jump between unrelated articles.
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 10:53, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
UpmergeCategory:Activists. Ethnicity and campaign issue will provide a much better split. Deletion of 20th and 21st century categories has much recent precedent.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:14, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Upmerge per my longstanding support of removal of all century related categories.
Debresser (
talk) 22:48, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment. Please do NOT upmerge. I shoukd have noted this in the nomination, but there are only two articles in the category:
Harry Schwarz and
Nelson Mandela, both of whom are already categorised appropriately in sub-cats of
Category:Activists. Dumping them into
Category:Activists there will just require further tidyup. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 11:31, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete No need to upmerge per nom.
GobonoboTC 05:49, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Inspiration
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Vegaswikian (
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Category:Canadian bowlers
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 07:11, 21 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment that's a bad idea, since in Canada, a "bowler" plays with a bowling ball that is thrown to knock down bowling pins, just like the gutterball that President Obama threw.
70.29.210.242 (
talk) 06:34, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom.
Category:Canadian bowling players (which relates to 5- and 10-pin bowling) needs a headnote making clear what sport is involved. Cricket is not a major sport in Canada, so that I doubt that there are any notable cricket bowlers. However, the target (and its parent) need renaming to match the subcat
Category:Paralympic lawn bowls players of Canada. WE are in danger of getting three different bowling sports confused, though they are not at presnet.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:32, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Merge bowls content to bowls category per nom there should not be, IMO, categories for the different types of cricketers anyway. They should all just be "Canadian cricketers".
SGGHping! 16:22, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete as the single article is already in the target. I agree that confusion is possible and am surprised that cricketers are not divided by expertise (except for wicketkeeper) as batsman/bowler is undoubtedly a defining characteristic. (
Category:Canadian cricketers will contain quite a number of notable bowlers unless cricket in Canada is strangely unbalanced.)
Occuli (
talk) 17:22, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was:Withdrawn by nominator.htonl (
talk) 18:00, 15 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Merge parent and Rename children. The two categories
Category:Cities, towns and villages in South Africa and
Category:Settlements in South Africa serve exactly the same purpose. Settlements is a more inclusive term, particularly in South Africa where, apart from cities, towns and villages, there are also such things as suburbs, townships, informal settlements, and so on. The child categories should be renamed to correspond with the parent.
htonl (
talk) 22:57, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Nomination withdrawn: The nomination at
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 March 14#Cities, towns and villages has been withdrawn so that there can instead be further centralised discussion. This nomination deals with exactly the same issue, and the same arguments apply. I am withdrawing the nomination pending further discussion. -
htonl (
talk) 17:55, 15 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom for brevity and clarity. Unfortunately,
Himalayan Explorer (
talk·contribs) has been busy merging and renaming settlement categories all around the world to use the clumsy "Cities, towns and villages" format, without seeking consensus for any of these moves, all on the basis of a single
2005 CFD on palces in the former Yugoslavia. AFAICS, many of these have been mass renamings done using AWB, but when I tried discussing it with Himalayan_Explorer, I found an explicit refusal to seek consensus and a rejection of the validity of any consensus formed at CFD (see
User talk:Himalayan Explorer#Consensus_for_these_category_moves.3F). So I expect that any decision made here will be reverted out-of-process. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 00:50, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Resplit out to original names - In South Africa, cities, towns and villages have an explicit meaning, but combining them in this fashion makes no sense whatsoever and seems to be an attempt to establish a result by fait accompli rather than through reasonable process.
Orderinchaos 02:54, 15 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment: There are categories
Category:Cities in South Africa,
Category:Suburbs in South Africa and
Category:Villages in South Africa (for some reason there is no
Category:Towns in South Africa, but nothing prevents its creation). Do you not agree that all of these things - i.e. "named places where people live" - ought to share some over-arching category? "City", "town" and "village" don't actually have explicit meanings in South Africa; as far as I know there is no specific rule that distinguishes cities from large towns, or small towns from villages. I don't understand your complaint about not going through reasonable process - surely here, CFD, is the correct process? -
htonl (
talk) 09:46, 15 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Further comment: Ah, I have just noticed your remark on the global nom about
User:Himalayan Explorer, which gives context to your comment about faits accompli. These categories have been with us for almost two years now, so I guess in some sense his fait is already accompli. But yes, I can see where you're coming from with that, although I still think that some type of "Settlements in X" (not necessarily under that name) is a sensible category to have to group together the various kinds of human settlement. -
htonl (
talk) 10:02, 15 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Grêmio Recreativo Barueri players
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 07:04, 21 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename. This category needs to be moved to match the main article's name (the main article was recently moved to the current club name,
Grêmio Prudente Futebol.
Carioca (
talk) 22:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. Many of the players' pages need to be updated to reflect the name change as well.
GobonoboTC 05:26, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Rename per nominator. --
BigDom 07:55, 20 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Uncut magazine compilation albums
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The result of the discussion was:Merge.
Vegaswikian (
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Category:Requests for unblock
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No objections, but maybe "Wikipedians requesting to be unblocked" would be better? Sandstein 20:45, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comments. Most "Wikipedians xxxxx" category consist of wikipedians expressing their interests, and it seems to be to be a mistake to use the same convention for a maintenance category. The current name is concise and self-evident, so I'm not sure what problem this renaming is intended to solve. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 21:06, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose per above. Solution looking for a problem puzzle to fit into. Also, last I checked, much (not most; much) of those requesting unblock aren't Wikipedians.—Jeremy(
v^_^vDittobori) 21:35, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Increasing the use of jargon is a bad thing, not a good thing. It's not broken. Don't fix it. --
jpgordon::==( o ) 22:21, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose: Maybe if this was proposed years ago before every admin had already memorized
WP:RFU, then I would support this. But this is an administrative category used for housekeeping and not a category normal users would even every need to look up, so there's no benefit to renaming it. -- Netsnipe ► 22:25, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose Per BrownHairedGirl's rationale.
TNXMan 22:27, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose The naming guideline only requires to prepend "Wikipedia" where confusing is likely, which is not the case here.
Debresser (
talk) 22:50, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose. "Wikipedians" suggests a userspace category (and often one supported by a userbox: "This user is requesting unblock". Naaaaaaaaah... ). I don't see what's not working here.
Daniel Case (
talk) 23:36, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose per the pile-on.
Hersfold(
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Please don't I don't see any reason for this change other than to make it conform to some imagined naming convention. Renaming it will cause more problems than it solves.
Beeblebrox (
talk) 16:10, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
OpposeToo many admins already RFU is easy, it refers to Requests for Unblock - no real need to rename the category as nothing is broken here - no problem is being solved (
talk→BWilkins←track) 16:39, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Songs by songwriter
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Strong oppose. There may be some merit is looking at a way of making these categories more inclusive, but this proposal replaces a relatively brief and thoroughly self-evident category name with something which is verbose, unintuitive, and superfluous in the vast majority of cases. I do assume good faith, and I don't want to be rude, but this proposal really would have benefited from more consideration before making a nomination. Also, considering the huge number of categories which would be affected, this proposal obviously needs to have wide support if it is to be adopted. Am I right to trust that the nominator has already notified all relevant wikiprojects, and has not yet got around to listing those notifications here? --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 19:57, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose - Intention seems appropriate but the proposed new name seems clumbersome. National Anthems also don't fit, although perhaps it's intented they are seperate, a bit of exception to be considered. Regards,
SunCreator (
talk) 23:05, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Strongly oppose. For many reasons including those above and others not mentioned. Having said that I have been having an on-off discussion about this very item and if you want to drop me a note maybe we can find a solution? --
Richhoncho (
talk) 09:41, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose. There are thousands of categories with "songs" in their title whose contents would have to be reevaluated under this scheme. "Songs" is slightly imprecise, but it's way better than trying to be that precise.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 16:31, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose Too wordy.
GobonoboTC 05:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Songs by artist
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Strong oppose. There may be some merit is looking at a way of making these categories more inclusive, but this proposal replaces a relatively brief and thoroughly self-evident category name with something which is verbose, unintuitive, and superfluous in the vast majority of cases. I do assume good faith, and I don't want to be rude, but this proposal really would have benefited from more consideration before making a nomination. Also, considering the huge number of categories which would be affected, this proposal obviously needs to have wide support if it is to be adopted. Am I right to trust that the nominator has already notified all relevant wikiprojects, and has not yet got around to listing those notifications here? --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 19:58, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose. However, if you had suggested renaming to "Recordings by artist" you would have had my full support. The sub-categories of
Category:Foo songs is so often misleading and wrong. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 20:03, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose If needed, this might be a parent category for "songs". How does this relate to the recent discussions on works of art categories initiated by Kleinzach?
Johnbod (
talk) 21:22, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose – and it should be 'songs by recording artist' (per its preamble "This category and its subcategories list songs by recording artist"), not 'recordings by artist'.
Occuli (
talk) 21:37, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment to Occuli, but that's the rationale behind this nomination, that not all entries are actually "songs" in the technical sense of the word. Besides my reasons for disliking the cat name, Koavf is trying to avoid 2 categories for every artist that has released both instrumentals and songs. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 22:43, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment - Good intention. Regards,
SunCreator (
talk) 23:09, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose. There are thousands of categories with "songs" in their title whose contents would have to be reevaluated under this scheme. "Songs" is slightly imprecise, but it's way better than trying to be that precise.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 16:31, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment, whereas I understand your pain at the number of song cats around that might need changing, equally, there are too many comments and CfD/CfR like as at
Category talk:Giorgio Moroder songs, (although I now agree with the nominator here that "songs" may not be the correct word). It would be wrong to say "because that's what WP has always done" and in this case I think "recordings by artist" satisfies all criteria. It might be a big job, but sooner or later it will have to be done. IMO. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 13:26, 17 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment. 'Tunes' also worth considering. Regards,
SunCreator (
talk) 01:14, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Further comment. Unfortunately, "tunes" doesn't necessarily include lyrics, whereas in every instance a "recording" exists - although one could say it should be "audio recording" --
Richhoncho (
talk) 12:52, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Can you give an example article of something that 'include(s) lyrics' but is not a tune? At this moment I can't think what you mean. Regards,
SunCreator (
talk) 21:06, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
I thought that was the opposite of what I said. A 'tune,' and you can refer to the disambig page
Tune, does not include lyrics, but if you really want something with lyrics but no tune you could start with the
dub poets, but I have passed over to
WP:OR with that! Cheers. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 22:49, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
I now follow what you meant before and yes I got it the opposite way around. To answer the second part, the
Tune link leads to the
tune definition. Your referring to the first definition I believe(1. A melody.) without lyrics, whereas my meaning here is the second definition(2. A song, or short musical composition). A tune in that sense covers all the 'Compositions, songs, and instrumentals' that this category is intended to. Regards,
SunCreator (
talk) 19:49, 20 March 2010 (UTC)reply
M-W and OED definitions of 'tune' do not include lyrics, although both define 'tunesmith' as a writer of popular songs. Cheers. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 06:58, 21 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose Too wordy.
GobonoboTC 05:34, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Image deletion templates
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 07:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Per the namespace rename & because some of these templates are used on .ogg or .pdf files, where the term "image" doesn't apply.
The Evil IP address (
talk) 17:29, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Speedy rename per nominator. Everything has long since been renamed to "file".
Debresser (
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Category:Rastafari
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. The
discussion to move the article was closed as "no consensus". There doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm here for renaming to match the current article name. If the category is renominated now that the attempt to move the article has failed, maybe that sentiment will change.Good Ol’factory(talk) 02:53, 1 April 2010 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: To match
main article and because this appears to be a category named as an adjective. —
Justin (koavf)❤
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Oppose - not an adjective. Rastafari combines a noun,
Ras with a personal name,
Tafari.
Guettarda (
talk) 04:33, 5 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment The word
is an adjective in addition to being a noun. The problem I was highlighting is that it appears to be an adjective by itself as a name. —
Justin (koavf)❤
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"Appears" to whom? "Movement" seems a little insulting, don't you think? Calling a religion a 'movement' strikes me a as a little denigrating.
Guettarda (
talk) 16:36, 5 March 2010 (UTC)reply
The convention is that the category name follows the article name. If you want to rename
Rastafari movement, then open a
WP:RM discussion for the article ... but this discussion cannot rename the article. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 16:44, 5 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Struck my !vote, since it seems that the name of main article may need reconsideration. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 21:31, 11 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose re Guettarda. I think we would be better off changing the article name to
Rastafari and we should certainly consider this as an alternative. I am not sure how one would use the word Rastafari as an adjective, it would for instance be a Rastafarian chalice not a Rastafari chalice. Thanks,
SqueakBoxtalkcontribs 18:26, 5 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Support Rename to match title of parent article.
Alansohn (
talk) 19:17, 5 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose Seems to be a case where the article is incorrectly named, and should be brought into line with this, rather than the other way around. It's certainly not a "movement", as Guettarda correctly highlights - it seems to be a combined culture and belief from what I can gather. Have heard the BBC refer to "a Rastafari" or "the Rastafari", so it's clearly not a non-standard usage.
Orderinchaos 18:29, 9 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment. Suggest a
WP:RM discussion on the article, and holding this CFD until that discussion reaches a conclusion one way or the other. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 19:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Jafeluv (
talk) 14:50, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
For the record: I support moving this category, unless there's consensus to rename the article. Most of the same arguments expressed in the RM apply here as well.
Jafeluv (
talk) 09:39, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
To be closed according to the outcome of the article-move discussion, please.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:34, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment Rastafaris find the term offensive, so they don't use it themselves. Application of the name by Wikipedia might be original research or just plain slander (however obscure and well-intentioned.) —
Justin (koavf)❤
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M☯ 03:38, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose Off the cuff I'd say Rastafarian religion nails it, but I'm curious to see if a proposed move at
Rastafari movement goes anywhere first.
GobonoboTC 05:45, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Japanese performing arts
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The result of the discussion was:Rename.
Vegaswikian (
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Support per nom and convention.
GobonoboTC 05:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:20th-century activists
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The result of the discussion was:Delete. While upmerging is reasonable for cateegories like this, the pages are already in other subcategories of the parent category here, so there's no need to upmerge.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu 08:34, 21 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Delete. Numerous recent discussions of people-by-occupation-by-century categories have shown a strong consensus against 20th- and 21st-century categories of people-by-occupation-and-century, partly because most biographical articles relate to those two centuries and 100-year blocks are a bad way of grouping articles from that period. Category:Activists is already sub-categorised both by issue and by nationality (and by intersections of the two in
Category:Activists by issue and nationality), and also by ethnicity. This form of grouping is much more useful for navigation than using the arbitrary division of centuries to group largely unrelated articles; if fully populated
Category:20th-century activists would lump an Edwardian
English suffragette into the same category as a 1990s Bolivian trade unionist, a
Japanese anti-death penalty activist, a
Norwegian pro-life activist, and an American
BDSM activist. This is pointless: we already have
Special:Random for readers who want to jump between unrelated articles.
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 10:53, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
UpmergeCategory:Activists. Ethnicity and campaign issue will provide a much better split. Deletion of 20th and 21st century categories has much recent precedent.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:14, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Upmerge per my longstanding support of removal of all century related categories.
Debresser (
talk) 22:48, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment. Please do NOT upmerge. I shoukd have noted this in the nomination, but there are only two articles in the category:
Harry Schwarz and
Nelson Mandela, both of whom are already categorised appropriately in sub-cats of
Category:Activists. Dumping them into
Category:Activists there will just require further tidyup. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 11:31, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete No need to upmerge per nom.
GobonoboTC 05:49, 18 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Inspiration
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Vegaswikian (
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Category:Canadian bowlers
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Vegaswikian (
talk) 07:11, 21 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment that's a bad idea, since in Canada, a "bowler" plays with a bowling ball that is thrown to knock down bowling pins, just like the gutterball that President Obama threw.
70.29.210.242 (
talk) 06:34, 14 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom.
Category:Canadian bowling players (which relates to 5- and 10-pin bowling) needs a headnote making clear what sport is involved. Cricket is not a major sport in Canada, so that I doubt that there are any notable cricket bowlers. However, the target (and its parent) need renaming to match the subcat
Category:Paralympic lawn bowls players of Canada. WE are in danger of getting three different bowling sports confused, though they are not at presnet.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:32, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Merge bowls content to bowls category per nom there should not be, IMO, categories for the different types of cricketers anyway. They should all just be "Canadian cricketers".
SGGHping! 16:22, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete as the single article is already in the target. I agree that confusion is possible and am surprised that cricketers are not divided by expertise (except for wicketkeeper) as batsman/bowler is undoubtedly a defining characteristic. (
Category:Canadian cricketers will contain quite a number of notable bowlers unless cricket in Canada is strangely unbalanced.)
Occuli (
talk) 17:22, 13 March 2010 (UTC)reply
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