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Nominator's rationale:Delete per
WP:OC#SMALL. The category contains only one article, the
List of Royal Hunter characters, which is unreferenced. All the characters are redlinked, and there is no evidence so far that any of the characters is notable. The list describes the series as a "cult series", which seems a little premature given that the head article says that the series premiered on ABC on December 29, 2009. No prejudice to re-creating the category if and when there are articles to populate the category.
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Category:Eastern Christianity liturgy, rites, and worship
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California communities → settlements
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Rename to adopt "Settlements" as the generic term for all named settled places. I created at least a couple of these and that was the intended purpose; scanning through I didn't see any alternative interpretations of "community" so a straight rename should be possible.-
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15:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:France – United Kingdom border crossings
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You're right, it is very clear: "Spacing: Disjunctive en dashes are unspaced, except when there is a space within either one or both of the items (the New York – Sydney flight; the New Zealand – South Africa grand final; June 3, 1888 – August 18, 1940, but June–August 1940)." This suggests the spaces are correct.
Good Ol’factory(talk)22:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose – this is correctly (and logically) spaced according to
WP:DASH, unless there is a Kingdom of France-United of which I am unaware. (It leads eventually to
France – United Kingdom relations, which is correctly spaced as Good Olfactory sorted out the incorrectly spaced ones some time ago.)
Occuli (
talk)
20:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Occuli and MOS. This is correct per
WP:DASH and it matches
Category:France – United Kingdom border anyway. The reason it is spaced is because we are connecting a one-word name (France) with a two-word name (United Kingdom). As Occuli says, we connect the one-word name with the complete two-word name; we don't connect "France" with "United", otherwise it means the Kingdom of "France–United". A piddley detail, but obviously not correct to depart from.
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Category:People associated with the 2010 Haiti earthquake
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The result of the discussion was:NO CONSENSUS. As long as a category exists, any editor can be bold and decide that an article does or doesn't belong in it, so appropriate pruning does not need a mandate from CFD. Otherwise, it's best to come back and discuss deletion again (if you're so inclined) when the subject is not still all over the headlines. postdlf (talk)
16:32, 25 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete: Maybe "Category:People killed by the 2010 Haiti earthquake" is okay, but Wyclef Jean in this category is absolutely ridiculous.
Cosprings (
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13:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Rename and scrub, at best. As it is, this category is very, very, broad- I could add
Barack Obama to this category and not be that incorrect. I'd say keep for now- we don't know how many articles will belong in this category in a week or so. If it turns out to be very few, we can re-evaluate then.
Bradjamesbrown (
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17:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete as another vague "association" category, several of which have been deleted recently. Any person who was in Haiti at the time of the earthquake or in its aftermath, who issued a statement in response to the earthquake, or who was, is, or will be in any way involved in rescue or recovery efforts could be classified as being "associated with the 2010 Haiti earthquake". A "people killed by" category might be viable, but I think that its creation would be premature until more information becomes available; for now,
Category:Deaths in earthquakes should suffice. –Black Falcon(
talk)23:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep for now. The scale of the international rescue effort and media attention suggests that it may throw up some characters notable for their role in the rescue effort. A broad category like this will inevitably attract a lot of inappropriate entries, such as
Barry O'Bama, but this category will serve as a useful place to collect the articles which will inevitably appear on the topic. I suggest reviewing the category when things have settled down a bit (in a few months). --
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23:09, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep for now -- The subject is too raw for us to make decisions about for the moment. I would suggest a renomination in (say) a month, when we can perhaps find a category with a rigid boundary to replace it with. "Associated with" categories tend to involve POV issues of "How closely associated?".
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22:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete. Perfect example of "recentism". Notable victims should be categorized in "Deaths in earthquakes", other people are not worthy to be categorized here at all. -
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Category:Marbella, Spain
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Category:Templates for CABAL Online
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Category:Ohio Junior Classical League
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The category really doesn't do much besides list the schools. It is better covered on the page of the article itself.
Kevin Rutherford (
talk) 04:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
I was a member of my the local chapter at my high school. I also created the WikiProject that basically covers the JCL and SCL. If I thought that creating a category for something that was already listed on the page of the state chapter, I would have done so.
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Category:Provinces of Finland
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Category:Companies based in Suffolk County, New York
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Do we really need to be subcategorizing companies by the individual counties that their head offices are located in? I say no, though I realize that's probably a losing battle. Delete, but take any and every "companies based in individual county" category on Wikipedia into the trash heap with it. If they're based in a town or city that isn't large enough to have a subcategory at the municipal level, then state-level should suffice. The issue shouldn't be whether
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS or not — it's whether there's any actual need for this level of categorization, which there really, truly just plain isn't.
Bearcat (
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08:53, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
I think we can agree that location categories shouldn't be defined around such localities without officially defined borders. I'd support upmerging that (and any other) Bethesda category to Montgomery County as the best option. postdlf (talk)
17:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Some general observations. I agree that we generally shouldn't pick a couple examples out of a structure rather than consider the whole structure at once. Regarding that structure, one reason categories that are too geographically specific are problematic because they fragment groupings too much into numerous, sparsely populated categories. Most states have a few metropolitan areas and are otherwise thinly populated and developed, so often it may make sense only to subdivide within a state only by those metropolitan areas, if at all, and then otherwise leave everything together at the state level. But my biggest concern with localized categories is when they force navigation only at that level of specificity, by intersecting with other facts also at too specific a level. Here that is probably not a concern right now, where companies by type are grouped at the state level (with the arguably reasonable exception of NYC-specific categories), and the -by county groupings are for all companies generally rather than subdivided by type. If type and county were to intersect, however, then we'd effectively lose a vertical structure of navigation, by forcing all readers to search for companies in New York state only by county and by type, and we'd have lots of very small categories. It's all a question of finding the right balance; often where categories that intersect two facts (here, type of thing and place) are very specific in one way they should be more general in another. postdlf (talk)
15:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep All Location is a strong defining characteristic and breaking the state ctageory down by county allows for easier navigation across companies within a state and within other characteristics of each county. I've created a structure of
Category:Companies based in New Jersey by county and have started to split out the entries in
Category:Companies based in New Jersey by the specific county. It's amazing that it took so long to get started on breaking these ctageories down by county, given the number of companies statewide.
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Nominator's rationale:Delete per
WP:OC#SMALL. The category contains only one article, the
List of Royal Hunter characters, which is unreferenced. All the characters are redlinked, and there is no evidence so far that any of the characters is notable. The list describes the series as a "cult series", which seems a little premature given that the head article says that the series premiered on ABC on December 29, 2009. No prejudice to re-creating the category if and when there are articles to populate the category.
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California communities → settlements
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Rename to adopt "Settlements" as the generic term for all named settled places. I created at least a couple of these and that was the intended purpose; scanning through I didn't see any alternative interpretations of "community" so a straight rename should be possible.-
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15:33, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:France – United Kingdom border crossings
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You're right, it is very clear: "Spacing: Disjunctive en dashes are unspaced, except when there is a space within either one or both of the items (the New York – Sydney flight; the New Zealand – South Africa grand final; June 3, 1888 – August 18, 1940, but June–August 1940)." This suggests the spaces are correct.
Good Ol’factory(talk)22:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose – this is correctly (and logically) spaced according to
WP:DASH, unless there is a Kingdom of France-United of which I am unaware. (It leads eventually to
France – United Kingdom relations, which is correctly spaced as Good Olfactory sorted out the incorrectly spaced ones some time ago.)
Occuli (
talk)
20:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Occuli and MOS. This is correct per
WP:DASH and it matches
Category:France – United Kingdom border anyway. The reason it is spaced is because we are connecting a one-word name (France) with a two-word name (United Kingdom). As Occuli says, we connect the one-word name with the complete two-word name; we don't connect "France" with "United", otherwise it means the Kingdom of "France–United". A piddley detail, but obviously not correct to depart from.
Good Ol’factory(talk)22:17, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:People associated with the 2010 Haiti earthquake
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The result of the discussion was:NO CONSENSUS. As long as a category exists, any editor can be bold and decide that an article does or doesn't belong in it, so appropriate pruning does not need a mandate from CFD. Otherwise, it's best to come back and discuss deletion again (if you're so inclined) when the subject is not still all over the headlines. postdlf (talk)
16:32, 25 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete: Maybe "Category:People killed by the 2010 Haiti earthquake" is okay, but Wyclef Jean in this category is absolutely ridiculous.
Cosprings (
talk)
13:06, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Rename and scrub, at best. As it is, this category is very, very, broad- I could add
Barack Obama to this category and not be that incorrect. I'd say keep for now- we don't know how many articles will belong in this category in a week or so. If it turns out to be very few, we can re-evaluate then.
Bradjamesbrown (
talk)
17:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete as another vague "association" category, several of which have been deleted recently. Any person who was in Haiti at the time of the earthquake or in its aftermath, who issued a statement in response to the earthquake, or who was, is, or will be in any way involved in rescue or recovery efforts could be classified as being "associated with the 2010 Haiti earthquake". A "people killed by" category might be viable, but I think that its creation would be premature until more information becomes available; for now,
Category:Deaths in earthquakes should suffice. –Black Falcon(
talk)23:04, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep for now. The scale of the international rescue effort and media attention suggests that it may throw up some characters notable for their role in the rescue effort. A broad category like this will inevitably attract a lot of inappropriate entries, such as
Barry O'Bama, but this category will serve as a useful place to collect the articles which will inevitably appear on the topic. I suggest reviewing the category when things have settled down a bit (in a few months). --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs)
23:09, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep for now -- The subject is too raw for us to make decisions about for the moment. I would suggest a renomination in (say) a month, when we can perhaps find a category with a rigid boundary to replace it with. "Associated with" categories tend to involve POV issues of "How closely associated?".
Peterkingiron (
talk)
22:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete. Perfect example of "recentism". Notable victims should be categorized in "Deaths in earthquakes", other people are not worthy to be categorized here at all. -
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19:56, 16 January 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Ohio Junior Classical League
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The category really doesn't do much besides list the schools. It is better covered on the page of the article itself.
Kevin Rutherford (
talk) 04:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
I was a member of my the local chapter at my high school. I also created the WikiProject that basically covers the JCL and SCL. If I thought that creating a category for something that was already listed on the page of the state chapter, I would have done so.
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14:42, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Companies based in Suffolk County, New York
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Do we really need to be subcategorizing companies by the individual counties that their head offices are located in? I say no, though I realize that's probably a losing battle. Delete, but take any and every "companies based in individual county" category on Wikipedia into the trash heap with it. If they're based in a town or city that isn't large enough to have a subcategory at the municipal level, then state-level should suffice. The issue shouldn't be whether
WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS or not — it's whether there's any actual need for this level of categorization, which there really, truly just plain isn't.
Bearcat (
talk)
08:53, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
I think we can agree that location categories shouldn't be defined around such localities without officially defined borders. I'd support upmerging that (and any other) Bethesda category to Montgomery County as the best option. postdlf (talk)
17:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Some general observations. I agree that we generally shouldn't pick a couple examples out of a structure rather than consider the whole structure at once. Regarding that structure, one reason categories that are too geographically specific are problematic because they fragment groupings too much into numerous, sparsely populated categories. Most states have a few metropolitan areas and are otherwise thinly populated and developed, so often it may make sense only to subdivide within a state only by those metropolitan areas, if at all, and then otherwise leave everything together at the state level. But my biggest concern with localized categories is when they force navigation only at that level of specificity, by intersecting with other facts also at too specific a level. Here that is probably not a concern right now, where companies by type are grouped at the state level (with the arguably reasonable exception of NYC-specific categories), and the -by county groupings are for all companies generally rather than subdivided by type. If type and county were to intersect, however, then we'd effectively lose a vertical structure of navigation, by forcing all readers to search for companies in New York state only by county and by type, and we'd have lots of very small categories. It's all a question of finding the right balance; often where categories that intersect two facts (here, type of thing and place) are very specific in one way they should be more general in another. postdlf (talk)
15:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep All Location is a strong defining characteristic and breaking the state ctageory down by county allows for easier navigation across companies within a state and within other characteristics of each county. I've created a structure of
Category:Companies based in New Jersey by county and have started to split out the entries in
Category:Companies based in New Jersey by the specific county. It's amazing that it took so long to get started on breaking these ctageories down by county, given the number of companies statewide.
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talk)
18:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)reply
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