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Category:Baseball players with kidney stones
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Jafeluv (
talk) 19:03, 25 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Delete. intersection of unrelated and non-defining characteristics.
TM 22:17, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
DeleteMost articles don't even cite the claim to begin with, but in any case I'm dubious that it's notable that anyone had kidney stones.
Mangoe (
talk) 23:12, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete as a non-defining characteristic.
Alansohn (
talk) 18:16, 20 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete. This must be posted at
WP:BJAODN! Less non-defining characteristic would be hard to conceive of. __
meco (
talk) 13:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Personally I think it's headed towards
WP:DAFT.
Mangoe (
talk) 00:26, 22 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment—I created this category as there is an inordinately high incidence of kidney stones among baseball players. But I have no issue with it being deleted. Thanks.—
RJH (
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Category:Public universities in Oklahoma
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Nominator's rationale: Appears to be a good faith attempt by a new user to create a list.
TNXMan 20:38, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Portal Software
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The result of the discussion was:rename.--
Mike Selinker (
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Nominator's rationale: to comply with naming conventions
ukexpat (
talk) 17:23, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
rename per nom 'Portal Software' is not known to be a proper noun, a name of a particular person, place or thing.
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Category:Fight Club
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The result of the discussion was:delete.--
Mike Selinker (
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Nominator's rationale: Only four articles--at least three of them are well-linked to one another. —
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯ 16:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete They are all closely connected and linked to each other. No reason for a category like this that is unlikely to grow.
Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(
talk) 19:04, 18 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete per David. Only a small set of articles and no expected growth. I would have no problem with "See also" sections tying some of these articles together.
Erik (
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Category:Military awards and decorations
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The result of the discussion was:keep. The creation of the target category has removed the need for this category's renaming.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 06:01, 28 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose It may make sense to create the latter category but there are a number of articles about military decorations in general.
Mangoe (
talk) 16:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment Since there seems to be universal agreement that the "by country" category ought to exists I have created it and have started moving articles to the new category. Therefore this discussion needs to turn to the possibility of merging the two categories.
Mangoe (
talk) 21:06, 17 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment since by country is a sub-category of this one, and generic articles on military awards cannot be identified as by a single country, I think this nomination has run its course.
GraemeLeggett (
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Fine by me.
Mangoe (
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Mount Saint Mary's
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The result of the discussion was:rename all.
Courcelles 05:59, 3 January 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename. This category section waffles between "Mount Saint Mary's" and "Mount St. Mary's." The head article is at
Mount St. Mary's University, however.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 14:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
No votes for Mt. Saint Mary's? Rename all to "
Mount St. Mary's," the form the institution itself uses online.-
choster (
talk) 15:28, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
In theory we could also go Mt. St. Mary's. However, since the main article is Mount St. Mary's, and while
St. Louis,
St. Paul and
St. George will all take you to articles, I am less sure that
Mt. Clemens will.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 20:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Well, all the links work. Mt. Clemens and St. Paul however redirtect to Mount Clemens and Saint Paul. St. Louis and St. George are under that spelling as the article names. I am wordering if it is worth dealing with the Mount St. Mary's verses Mount Saint Mary's issue in isolation, or if what needs to occur is a discussion of whether such categories like
Saunt Louis University,
St. Vincent College alumni and the like should all be standardized. One question is, are there standard usages in the question of St. Louis/Saint Louis, or is
Saint Louis University deliberately spelled that way even in documents that mention that it is in the city of St. Louis. Is there a deliberate perpetuation of two styles here, or do we just have an inconsistency in wikipedia. Put another way, if we tried to make wikipedia usage standard, would we be creating a precedent of English usage that does not exist? See also aricles such as
St. Anthony,
St. Mary's College of Maryland,
St. Joseph, Missouri,
St. Charles, Idaho and even
Mount St. Mary's.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 20:17, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
The last link is the most interesting, because we find some articles are St. while orthers are Saint. The article connected with this debate is St. but directly below a link to a different college that is Saint.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 20:17, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Rename all per nom. Should have been renamed when the article was moved (without protest) from
Mount Saint Mary's University in 2008.
Occuli (
talk) 21:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Support Renames to match title of parent article.
Alansohn (
talk) 18:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. This empty category appears to serve no purpose. Sandstein 07:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete in 2 days when it qualifies for C1, or delete if it becomes populated before then. Inappropriate category.
VegaDark (
talk) 08:48, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
I speedied it. Cat is useless, empty, and just one of many time-wastings by a sock-drawer.
DMacks (
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Scottish Unionist Party
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The result of the discussion was:rename.--
Mike Selinker (
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Rename per standard practice that cats ought to be named after parent article. --
Mais oui! (
talk) 07:24, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom and to match article name; this is pretty much a standard convention now and makes the finding of categories much more predictable when you start from the article.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 09:13, 22 December 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Territorial Army
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The result of the discussion was:rename.--
Mike Selinker (
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Support categories should not be ambiguous, regardless of however ambiguous articles are named, unless you want to manually patrol the category every day to fix miscategorizations.
184.144.167.122 (
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Arena Football League
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The result of the discussion was:rename.--
Mike Selinker (
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Nominator's rationale: All of these categories were brought up for discussion on
March 3, 2010 because at the time, the
Arena Football League from 1987–2008 was considered to be a seperate entity from the league that was formed in 2009, launched as "Arena Football 1" but later renamed "Arena Football League". Since that time,
a discussion in late August resulted in a consensus that the "old" AFL and "new" AFL was in fact the same AFL, and the articles that the
AFL article had been split into were merged back together. However these categories remain split up, which is why I propose they be renamed or merged back together, whichever case is necessary.
Tampabay721 (
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Category:International military aircraft 2010-2019
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The result of the discussion was:Withdrawn as moot - category is now populated. I will say that I'm a bit shocked and disappointed that several users would support keeping in the face of policy, however.
69.59.200.77 (
talk) 17:31, 22 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Speedy delete per
WP:CSD#C1 - Empty category that has been empty for more than 4 days, and doesn't meet any of the exceptions. I tried tagging it for speedy, but have been reverted twice by users who claim the category is "useful". It would be useful if populated, but until this category is ready to populate it shouldn't have been created. Note that even a "keep" result here won't prevent this from meeting the speedy deletion criteria, so this seems rather pointless, although
ANI told me to come here. This is no different from any other category that has been empty for 4 days that doesn't meet the exceptions to C1, and so should be deleted, no matter how great the category might be if populated. No prejudice to recreating it if/when populated.
69.59.200.77 (
talk) 00:00, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete – the nom is entirely correct. There's not much point in having a category which merely announces that there are as yet no International military aircraft in the 2010s. The empty category tag is also inappropriately placed: that is for maintenance categories which ought to be empty.
Occuli (
talk) 00:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Aside from meeting the C1 criteria, is there any actual benefit to deleting the category? --
Floquenbeam (
talk) 00:37, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
The C1 deletion criteria exists, I gather, because retaining empty categories causes clutter and confusion for users looking through categories to find something. So, deletion of this would be working towards the goal of avoiding that. Other than that, no, I have no problems with the merits of the category.
69.59.200.77 (
talk) 00:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep Although there are no pages or subcategories in the category, the template{{Milairnd}} is in there, which links to
Category:Russian military aircraft 2010-2019, which does have content. So even though its main usefulness will be in the future, it is already slightly useful now for navigation to/from related categories. In a series like this, a non-existent category for a current time period might cause more confusion than a category that only links to other articles indirectly. --
Floquenbeam (
talk) 14:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep - This category is part of a large reorganization of categories that was decided by consensus over at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft over many months. I previously invited the nominator to discuss this over there at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft so he could understand the issues, but he declined to do so. As a note I have informed both
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation and
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft of this discussion so as to get the fullest possible debate and consensus. Also in response to the nominator's comment "Note that even a "keep" result here won't prevent this from meeting the speedy deletion criteria, so this seems rather pointless" - this is not correct as consensus here will overrule the CSD criteria. See also
WP:IAR as what we are trying to accomplish is the building of an encyclopedia, not slavish adherence to rules that hinder that goal. -
Ahunt (
talk) 16:12, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep - First, apologies for my improper removal of the CSD tag, I hadn't even realised that I had created the category in the first place it's been so long. Secondly, as noted above, this is part of an overall tree of categories (and when I created the category, there was an article in it, which was my whole point of creating it. I don't remember what the aircraft was, but clearly somebody moved it out of the category at some point - wonder why?). -
The BushrangerOne ping only 17:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
You are correct –
this diff emptied several (sub)categories which were then deleted as empty. I have no objection to any of these categories myself (unless they are empty). I trust that
Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft is not really bent upon the creation of whole trees of empty categories, for the greater glory of wikipedia.
Occuli (
talk) 21:32, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment - I think this can be wrapped up as the category is no longer empty and therefore there is no reason to delete it. -
Ahunt (
talk) 21:09, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Baseball players with kidney stones
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The result of the discussion was:Delete.
Jafeluv (
talk) 19:03, 25 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Delete. intersection of unrelated and non-defining characteristics.
TM 22:17, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
DeleteMost articles don't even cite the claim to begin with, but in any case I'm dubious that it's notable that anyone had kidney stones.
Mangoe (
talk) 23:12, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete as a non-defining characteristic.
Alansohn (
talk) 18:16, 20 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete. This must be posted at
WP:BJAODN! Less non-defining characteristic would be hard to conceive of. __
meco (
talk) 13:36, 21 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Personally I think it's headed towards
WP:DAFT.
Mangoe (
talk) 00:26, 22 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment—I created this category as there is an inordinately high incidence of kidney stones among baseball players. But I have no issue with it being deleted. Thanks.—
RJH (
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Category:Public universities in Oklahoma
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Nominator's rationale: Appears to be a good faith attempt by a new user to create a list.
TNXMan 20:38, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Portal Software
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The result of the discussion was:rename.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 06:04, 28 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: to comply with naming conventions
ukexpat (
talk) 17:23, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
rename per nom 'Portal Software' is not known to be a proper noun, a name of a particular person, place or thing.
Hmains (
talk) 20:09, 25 December 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fight Club
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The result of the discussion was:delete.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 21:11, 2 January 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Only four articles--at least three of them are well-linked to one another. —
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯ 16:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete They are all closely connected and linked to each other. No reason for a category like this that is unlikely to grow.
Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(
talk) 19:04, 18 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete per David. Only a small set of articles and no expected growth. I would have no problem with "See also" sections tying some of these articles together.
Erik (
talk |
contribs) 14:43, 20 December 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Military awards and decorations
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The result of the discussion was:keep. The creation of the target category has removed the need for this category's renaming.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 06:01, 28 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Oppose It may make sense to create the latter category but there are a number of articles about military decorations in general.
Mangoe (
talk) 16:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment Since there seems to be universal agreement that the "by country" category ought to exists I have created it and have started moving articles to the new category. Therefore this discussion needs to turn to the possibility of merging the two categories.
Mangoe (
talk) 21:06, 17 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment since by country is a sub-category of this one, and generic articles on military awards cannot be identified as by a single country, I think this nomination has run its course.
GraemeLeggett (
talk) 12:54, 18 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Fine by me.
Mangoe (
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Mount Saint Mary's
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The result of the discussion was:rename all.
Courcelles 05:59, 3 January 2011 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Rename. This category section waffles between "Mount Saint Mary's" and "Mount St. Mary's." The head article is at
Mount St. Mary's University, however.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 14:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
No votes for Mt. Saint Mary's? Rename all to "
Mount St. Mary's," the form the institution itself uses online.-
choster (
talk) 15:28, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
In theory we could also go Mt. St. Mary's. However, since the main article is Mount St. Mary's, and while
St. Louis,
St. Paul and
St. George will all take you to articles, I am less sure that
Mt. Clemens will.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 20:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Well, all the links work. Mt. Clemens and St. Paul however redirtect to Mount Clemens and Saint Paul. St. Louis and St. George are under that spelling as the article names. I am wordering if it is worth dealing with the Mount St. Mary's verses Mount Saint Mary's issue in isolation, or if what needs to occur is a discussion of whether such categories like
Saunt Louis University,
St. Vincent College alumni and the like should all be standardized. One question is, are there standard usages in the question of St. Louis/Saint Louis, or is
Saint Louis University deliberately spelled that way even in documents that mention that it is in the city of St. Louis. Is there a deliberate perpetuation of two styles here, or do we just have an inconsistency in wikipedia. Put another way, if we tried to make wikipedia usage standard, would we be creating a precedent of English usage that does not exist? See also aricles such as
St. Anthony,
St. Mary's College of Maryland,
St. Joseph, Missouri,
St. Charles, Idaho and even
Mount St. Mary's.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 20:17, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
The last link is the most interesting, because we find some articles are St. while orthers are Saint. The article connected with this debate is St. but directly below a link to a different college that is Saint.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 20:17, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Rename all per nom. Should have been renamed when the article was moved (without protest) from
Mount Saint Mary's University in 2008.
Occuli (
talk) 21:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Support Renames to match title of parent article.
Alansohn (
talk) 18:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale:Delete. This empty category appears to serve no purpose. Sandstein 07:43, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete in 2 days when it qualifies for C1, or delete if it becomes populated before then. Inappropriate category.
VegaDark (
talk) 08:48, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
I speedied it. Cat is useless, empty, and just one of many time-wastings by a sock-drawer.
DMacks (
talk) 16:53, 18 December 2010 (UTC)reply
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Scottish Unionist Party
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The result of the discussion was:rename.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 06:04, 28 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Rename per standard practice that cats ought to be named after parent article. --
Mais oui! (
talk) 07:24, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom and to match article name; this is pretty much a standard convention now and makes the finding of categories much more predictable when you start from the article.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 09:13, 22 December 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:Territorial Army
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The result of the discussion was:rename.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 06:04, 28 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Support categories should not be ambiguous, regardless of however ambiguous articles are named, unless you want to manually patrol the category every day to fix miscategorizations.
184.144.167.122 (
talk) 01:44, 17 December 2010 (UTC)reply
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Arena Football League
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The result of the discussion was:rename.--
Mike Selinker (
talk) 06:04, 28 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: All of these categories were brought up for discussion on
March 3, 2010 because at the time, the
Arena Football League from 1987–2008 was considered to be a seperate entity from the league that was formed in 2009, launched as "Arena Football 1" but later renamed "Arena Football League". Since that time,
a discussion in late August resulted in a consensus that the "old" AFL and "new" AFL was in fact the same AFL, and the articles that the
AFL article had been split into were merged back together. However these categories remain split up, which is why I propose they be renamed or merged back together, whichever case is necessary.
Tampabay721 (
talk) 00:55, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
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Category:International military aircraft 2010-2019
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The result of the discussion was:Withdrawn as moot - category is now populated. I will say that I'm a bit shocked and disappointed that several users would support keeping in the face of policy, however.
69.59.200.77 (
talk) 17:31, 22 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Speedy delete per
WP:CSD#C1 - Empty category that has been empty for more than 4 days, and doesn't meet any of the exceptions. I tried tagging it for speedy, but have been reverted twice by users who claim the category is "useful". It would be useful if populated, but until this category is ready to populate it shouldn't have been created. Note that even a "keep" result here won't prevent this from meeting the speedy deletion criteria, so this seems rather pointless, although
ANI told me to come here. This is no different from any other category that has been empty for 4 days that doesn't meet the exceptions to C1, and so should be deleted, no matter how great the category might be if populated. No prejudice to recreating it if/when populated.
69.59.200.77 (
talk) 00:00, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Delete – the nom is entirely correct. There's not much point in having a category which merely announces that there are as yet no International military aircraft in the 2010s. The empty category tag is also inappropriately placed: that is for maintenance categories which ought to be empty.
Occuli (
talk) 00:34, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Aside from meeting the C1 criteria, is there any actual benefit to deleting the category? --
Floquenbeam (
talk) 00:37, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
The C1 deletion criteria exists, I gather, because retaining empty categories causes clutter and confusion for users looking through categories to find something. So, deletion of this would be working towards the goal of avoiding that. Other than that, no, I have no problems with the merits of the category.
69.59.200.77 (
talk) 00:42, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep Although there are no pages or subcategories in the category, the template{{Milairnd}} is in there, which links to
Category:Russian military aircraft 2010-2019, which does have content. So even though its main usefulness will be in the future, it is already slightly useful now for navigation to/from related categories. In a series like this, a non-existent category for a current time period might cause more confusion than a category that only links to other articles indirectly. --
Floquenbeam (
talk) 14:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep - This category is part of a large reorganization of categories that was decided by consensus over at
Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft over many months. I previously invited the nominator to discuss this over there at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft so he could understand the issues, but he declined to do so. As a note I have informed both
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation and
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aircraft of this discussion so as to get the fullest possible debate and consensus. Also in response to the nominator's comment "Note that even a "keep" result here won't prevent this from meeting the speedy deletion criteria, so this seems rather pointless" - this is not correct as consensus here will overrule the CSD criteria. See also
WP:IAR as what we are trying to accomplish is the building of an encyclopedia, not slavish adherence to rules that hinder that goal. -
Ahunt (
talk) 16:12, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Keep - First, apologies for my improper removal of the CSD tag, I hadn't even realised that I had created the category in the first place it's been so long. Secondly, as noted above, this is part of an overall tree of categories (and when I created the category, there was an article in it, which was my whole point of creating it. I don't remember what the aircraft was, but clearly somebody moved it out of the category at some point - wonder why?). -
The BushrangerOne ping only 17:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
You are correct –
this diff emptied several (sub)categories which were then deleted as empty. I have no objection to any of these categories myself (unless they are empty). I trust that
Wikipedia:WikiProject Aircraft is not really bent upon the creation of whole trees of empty categories, for the greater glory of wikipedia.
Occuli (
talk) 21:32, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
Comment - I think this can be wrapped up as the category is no longer empty and therefore there is no reason to delete it. -
Ahunt (
talk) 21:09, 16 December 2010 (UTC)reply
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