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- The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 17:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Mount Royal College alumni to Category:Mount Royal University alumni
- Nominator's rationale: Rename. Mount Royal College redirects to Mount Royal University since the school was renamed in 2009. The alumni category should match. Brian the Editor ( talk) 21:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Support - No issues. Chris ( talk) 21:19, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Support Rename to match title of parent article. Alansohn ( talk) 04:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Support -- This is the usual solution for renamed institutions. Peterkingiron ( talk) 22:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename as there are no objections. Kbdank71 17:22, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Government of Dublin to Category:Government of County Dublin
- Nominator's rationale: This category consists of current and former local authorities with in the fotmer County Dublin and the city of Dublin. The current naming convention is that categs relating solely to the city should be named "Foo of Dublin", whereas categs which cover both the City and County should be named "Foo of County Dublin", which sub-cats as needed. Since this category has the wider scope, it should use the more inclusive name. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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- Nominator's rationale: The Golden Horseshoe Roads project was upmerged into WP:ONRD. The remnants of the project have been nominated for deletion. Imzadi 1979 → 19:13, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. ➜ Gƒoley Four (GSV) 20:43, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename per parent cat and head article. Kbdank71 17:24, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Buildings and structures at the University of Dublin, Trinity College to Category:Buildings and structures of Trinity College, Dublin
- Nominator's rationale: per convention of Category:Buildings and structures by university or college ("Buildings and structures of foo", and per convention of the parent category Category:Trinity College, Dublin and head article Trinity College, Dublin. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 16:30, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose alternative renaming to
Category:Buildings and structures of Trinity College Dublin. I agree with the principle of the renaming, but the college's
2010 statutes establish firmly the use of the name without the comma. --
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- The head article remains at Trinity College, Dublin, with the comma. You are welcome to open a WP:RM discussion on that, and if it is successful then you should propose a group renaming of Category:Trinity College, Dublin and all its subcats. But right now, convention is to use the comma. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 23:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete the nominated categories only. The only category discussed was not tagged for deletion. Kbdank71 17:25, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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- Nominator's rationale: Delete. This category has only one subcategory, as do the three above it (which I am also nominating). This category tree seems to have spawned from one user's desire to sort Category:Clube de Regatas do Flamengo captains into more than just the club category. If more club captains categories existed (although I don't think they should), I could see a need for these categories, but this is overkill at this time. – Pee Jay 15:06, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete all – and also delete Category:Clube de Regatas do Flamengo captains. Being captain is not a big deal in football. (Looking through Category:Clube de Regatas do Flamengo captains, I have not yet found a single article which mentions the captaincy; neither is there a list anywhere, so this looks like unsourced OR. We don't even categorise by captaining the national soccer team, which is a bigger deal.) Occuli ( talk) 15:17, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete all including the Flamengo one, per Occuli. Being the captain is not a defining characteristic worth categorising -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:59, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. Kbdank71 17:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Aquaria in Washington, D.C. and Category:Zoos in Washington, D.C. to Category:Zoos and Aquaria in Washington, D.C.
- Nominator's rationale: I recommend that this category be deleted and that the single article in it (and the only one that will ever apply) be merged upward into Category:Buildings and structures in Washington, D.C.. In my opinion there is no need for this level of category granularity for a single article. Kumioko ( talk) 12:26, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- It might actualy be a better idea, know that I think about to merge this with Category:Zoos in Washington, D.C. into a new category called Category:Zoos and Aquaria in Washington, D.C. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumioko ( talk • contribs)
- Keep both – part of Category:Aquaria in the United States, subcatted by state, and Category:Zoos in the United States, subcatted by state. Occuli ( talk) 14:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Actually that brings up a good point. Rather than have 2 separate categories for Zoos and Aquaria by state and most of them have less than 5 pages in each category (many have 1 page). I think it might be a good idea to merge the 2 parent categories of
Category:Aquaria in the United States and
Category:Zoos in the United States into
Category:Zoos and Aquaria in the United States. This would eliminate about 50 categories, would consolidate these 2 like things (they both house planetary creatures for study, preservation and view) and still allow state by state visibility. --
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- But we have
Category:Aquaria and
Category:Zoos, both organised by country, and we don't have
Category:Aquaria and Zoos (or
Category:Zoos and Aquaria), so just go with the flow.
Occuli (
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- Its easy to add a category (or in this case merge 1). It would still be organized by country/state, we don't need to have either of those 2 categies we can just add the parent categories of
Category:Aquaria and
Category:Zoos by country to the new
Category:Zoos and Aquaria in the United States and it will still have the same effect, only with less categories to maintain/have on the articles. --
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Category:Aquaria, as a zoo is not an aquarium.
Occuli (
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- All it takes to make it a subcat is to add it. The title itself doesn't mean that it can't reside as a subcat just because it has 2 different things in it. We do this kind of thing all the time. But your oppose is noted. We'll see what other editors think and if its decided we need to keep it thats fine. . -- Kumioko ( talk) 15:57, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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Category:Zoos and Aquaria in the United States is not a subcat of
Category:Aquaria, as a zoo is not an aquarium.
Occuli (
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- Its easy to add a category (or in this case merge 1). It would still be organized by country/state, we don't need to have either of those 2 categies we can just add the parent categories of
Category:Aquaria and
Category:Zoos by country to the new
Category:Zoos and Aquaria in the United States and it will still have the same effect, only with less categories to maintain/have on the articles. --
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- But we have
Category:Aquaria and
Category:Zoos, both organised by country, and we don't have
Category:Aquaria and Zoos (or
Category:Zoos and Aquaria), so just go with the flow.
Occuli (
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- Actually that brings up a good point. Rather than have 2 separate categories for Zoos and Aquaria by state and most of them have less than 5 pages in each category (many have 1 page). I think it might be a good idea to merge the 2 parent categories of
Category:Aquaria in the United States and
Category:Zoos in the United States into
Category:Zoos and Aquaria in the United States. This would eliminate about 50 categories, would consolidate these 2 like things (they both house planetary creatures for study, preservation and view) and still allow state by state visibility. --
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- keep both Unnecessary housekeeping change that does not help the category system. These categories are part of a recognized worldwide set of categories--a pattern. We do not make piecemeal changes at the lowest level, based on the current number of entries in a particular subcat. Hmains ( talk) 18:07, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Category:Aquaria is currently a sub-cat of Category:Zoos so each state aquaria cat could be added as a subcat under the state zoo cat. That wouldn't fix the low count of articles in each though. At least in the United States, just about all the professional associations consider zoos and aquaria to be a type of museum so there are definitely alternate classification possibilities. I agree with Hmains that any such reworking should start at the top level though. RevelationDirect ( talk) 22:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Keep All as part of parent categories that organize such establishments across the U.S. Alansohn ( talk) 04:45, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: keep/withdrawn. Kbdank71 17:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Airfields of the United States Army Air Forces in Washington, D.C. to [[:Category:]]
- Nominator's rationale: I recommend that this category be deleted and that the single article in it (and the only one that will ever apply) be merged upward into Category:Airports in Washington, D.C.. In my opinion there is no need fro this level of category granularity. Kumioko ( talk) 12:24, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- That would be an incomplete merger, as it would lose the U.S. Army Air Force connection. The parent on that side is
Category:Airfields of the United States Army Air Forces in the United States by state, which is clearly an inappropriate merger target, and of which this category forms part of a comprehensive system. Which provides the need for "category granularity" in this instance.
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- I agree that it needs to be added to that Category as well. Could we upmerge it to that one as well. I just don't see the need for a category that will only ever have 1 article although I do agree that it shouldn't be removed from that category. --
Kumioko (
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- Well, not to Category:Airfields of the United States Army Air Forces in the United States by state, which is just for subcategories, but to Category:Airfields of the United States Army Air Forces in the United States. I see there is one article directly in there, for an airfield in the U.S. Virgin Islands. So either that should also be given a subcategory or the D.C. airfield should go in that category too. postdlf ( talk) 13:52, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- I agree that it needs to be added to that Category as well. Could we upmerge it to that one as well. I just don't see the need for a category that will only ever have 1 article although I do agree that it shouldn't be removed from that category. --
Kumioko (
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- Keep – an integral part of
Category:Airfields of the United States Army Air Forces in the United States by state.
Occuli (
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- After further review of the articles and categories relating to this I concede that this is probably not a good suggestion. I would like to withdraw this CFD. -- Kumioko ( talk) 14:44, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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- Nominator's rationale: WP:ONRD's parent project WP:CRWP has used the standardized category names used by WP:USRD and other highway projects rendering these categories out of use now. Imzadi 1979 → 09:57, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Oppose for now. The effect of this change will be to complete an upmerger of Category:WikiProject Ontario Roads articles to Category:WikiProject Canada Roads articles, a change which appears to have been driven by the nominator in connection with a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canada Roads and some shorter discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canada Roads/Ontario. Both discussions have very few participants, and no clear explanation of what's actually going on: I presume that some templates have been merged, but it's not clear exactly what has been done.
I have no particular concern either way about whether WikiProject Canada Roads/Ontario continues to have its own category tree for assessments, but I am concern that this change appears to have been made with relatively little participation. It seems to me that WikiProject Ontario may be expected to have some views on this, but I see no sign of any relevant discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ontario.
In short, this change seems to affect a number of wikiprojects: WP:ONRD, WP:CRWP, WP:CANADA, and WP:ONTARIO, but AFAICS only the first two have been consulted. The latest template changes partially reverse a previous merger of templates, and such instability is not helpful. Please ensure that this merger has consenus amongst all the involved projects before proceeding. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 02:56, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- There are category trees for all provinces and territories now. This category tree though is redundant. As for WP:CANADA and WP:ONTARIO, they're not affected. Their banner templates remain on the articles, and they had separate category trees. In short, this category tree was only used by a now-deleted banner template. Your concerns and reasons for opposing are baseless.
Imzadi
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03:01, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- Try a little civility, rather than flatly saying that my "concerns and reasons for opposing are baseless".
- Read what I wrote. I did not say that this was a bad idea, simply that you had not consulted the other WikiProjects. You think they are unaffected; but try asking them. For example WP:ONTARIO may have views on whether or not it is a good idea to get rid of the Ontario roads assessment categories, or whether there should be some joint system of assessment categorisation.
- You say that "There are category trees for all provinces and territories now". I have looked at Category:WikiProject Canada Roads articles, and don't see any such category trees, just one for all of Canada. Maybe I have missed something, but if so, where are these categories?
- You say that "this category tree though is redundant". Why? What's its replacement?
- Finally, I have no substantive view either way on this. I simply want to ensure that all the relevant wikiprojects are happy with whatever solution is adopted. --
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- I was civil. Your concerns, while valid, have no basis in what is actually going on.
- I did read what you wrote. The category tree was actually replaced. This is the old tree. It's not in use but if you look for Category:GA-Class Ontario road transport articles and its kin, you'd see that there is another category tree in place, which matches the trees for the other 9 provinces, 3 Canadian territories, 50 US states, 6 US territories and WP:HWY's regional task forces.
- Yes, there are. Just as there is Category:Stub-Class Ontario road transport articles there is Category:Stub-Class Manitoba road transport articles and its kin.
- See above for the replacement.
- All of this was spelled out on the various discussion pages for WP:ONRD and WP:CRWP, and in its banner template, {{ Canada Roads WikiProject}}. {{ WikiProject Canada}} (which is used by WP:ONTARIO) never used these categories. Rather, the now-deleted {{ WikiProject Ontario Roads}} used them. Imzadi 1979 → 03:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- P.S. The
Category:Stub-Class Canada Roads articles tree is also being retired, and replaced by
Category:Stub-Class Canada road transport articles tree. The reason for the switch is that any articles that remain in the old category trees need the new banner template, and to be consistent with what the other roads projects have named the categories. In fact, the category tree was switched 3 years ago when the CRWP-specific banner was force-merged into the WP:CANADA banner. It's now being switched back on a national level, and the provincial- and territory-level trees have been implemented completely for the first time.
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- Imzadi, you may legitimately think that my concerns are mistaken, but calling them baseless is simply rude. As you saw above, I had several grounds for those concerns, so saying "baseless" either means that you didn't read what I wrote or that you think my concerns are delusional nonsense. Learn a bit of civility, and don't do that.
- I posted here after reading the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canada Roads, where you posted to say that " CRWP previously had its own banner that was "forcibly" merged into the main CANADA banner during a period of low-CRWP activity. This would just be a reversal of that process".
- So, this is all part of a process of reversing a previous merger of templates, presumably at the behest of
WP:CANADA. When something which has been merged by another project is now being unmerged, there will be instability unless all the relevant projects are involved. Your insistence that this is nothing to do with
WP:CANADA doesn't fit with the history you have set out, so just notify them. --
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- They've already been notified.
Template_talk:WikiProject_Canada#Canada_Roads_WikiProject.
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- Thank you for the pointer; that's just the sort of cross-project discussion which I wanted to see evidence of, so I will strike my objection. It would have saved us both a lot of time if you had posted that link at the start, rather than snottily repeating
your concerns have no basislike a robot in a programming loop. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for the pointer; that's just the sort of cross-project discussion which I wanted to see evidence of, so I will strike my objection. It would have saved us both a lot of time if you had posted that link at the start, rather than snottily repeating
- They've already been notified.
Template_talk:WikiProject_Canada#Canada_Roads_WikiProject.
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- Delete Bottom line, this is just a rename of Category:_-Class Ontario road articles to Category:_-Class Ontario road transport articles. Not a huge deal. --
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- Where is the equivalent category to Category:Ontario road articles by quality, i.e. one which groups them all?
- If this is in effect a renaming, why didn't Imzadi1979 set that out in the nomination? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 04:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- ... Category:Ontario road transport articles by quality?
- I don't know? You'll have to ask him. -- Rs chen 7754 04:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete - Unused and not needed. Dough 48 72 03:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete redundant, unneeded. -- Admrboltz ( talk) 03:47, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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עוד מישהו
Od Mishehu
13:35, 21 December 2010 (UTC) - Propose renaming Category:WikiProject Science Fiction categories to Category:Category-Class Science Fiction articles
- Nominator's rationale: Rename. Convention of Category:Category-Class articles, also the category should be applied to the category talk page rather than the category itself. Tim! ( talk) 09:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose these are not categories that are processed through the WikiProject banner (otherwise all the contents would be talk pages), it is a category of categories. It does not lie in the
Category:Category-Class articles category tree.
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- Read the nomination, I said it should be move to the talk pages. Tim! ( talk) 10:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment if they are to be bannered into "Category-Class Science Fiction articles" then the wikiproject banner needs to be applied to the various categories, which is not a function of CfD. Indeed, there already exists a
Category:Category-Class science fiction articles .
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- This category should simply be deleted then. Tim! ( talk) 10:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete - It is not populated with WikiProject categories utilized by WikiProject Science Fiction. Rather, it is populated with a random set of article space Science Fiction categories. Its usage is not consistent with the other categories listed at Category:WikiProject Science fiction. No one at the WikiProject has noticed, so I doubt it will be missed. -- Uzma Gamal ( talk) 09:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
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- Nominator's rationale: The Golden Horseshoe roads project was upmerged into WP:ONRD. The assessment (quality and importance) categories are all unnecessary at this time and should all be deleted. Imzadi 1979 → 08:39, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete per above. -- Rs chen 7754 04:49, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete redundant and unneeded. -- Admrboltz ( talk) 20:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete - Categories no longer needed. Dough 48 72 01:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename all. Kbdank71 17:37, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose renaming
- Nominator's rationale: Rename. Expand abbreviation to match head article Dallas Area Rapid Transit, and to remove ambiguity with the Dublin Area Rapid Transit, also known as DART. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:32, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Notification at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 December 11#Dallas_Area_Rapid_Transit. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 16:34, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- rename per nom Results will also match the immediate parent category name which is spelled out. Hmains ( talk) 18:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Rename: It is also ambiguous with Category:DART First State. RevelationDirect ( talk) 22:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Admittedly, I opposed this at first on the grounds of familiarity and common sense, as well as the fact that neither Dublin, nor anyplace in Delaware have an active light rail system, but the nominee does have a valid argument for doing so. As for
Category:DART light rail station images, I was hoping to add the remaining images to the commons and get it deleted, providing that no images related to DART Light Rail that aren't in the commons can be stamped with that category. ----
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- Actually, Dublin does have a light rail system, called
Luas, tho I encountered these categories when I sat that one of Dublin's DART stations had been added to (and
removed from) a disused station in Dublin (which was not never a
DART station). But the key thing here is that that the head article is
Dallas Area Rapid Transit. There is a long-standing convention that categ names use the name of the head article. --
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- Okay, I stand corrected regarding Dublin. But there's no mistaking Luas for DART. As for DART First State, I do remember reading about a proposal for a light rail system, but I forget where I read about it. ----
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- Right now, DART First State is strictly buses. There is a proposal for a Wilmington trolley line but they don't have the funds right now so, in the mean time, they decorated some buses to look like trolleys. To be honest though, no one could mistake these silly "trolleys on wheels" with an actual light rail system. But, someone unfamiliar with the different DARTs wouldn't know that. RevelationDirect ( talk) 22:26, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- Okay, I stand corrected regarding Dublin. But there's no mistaking Luas for DART. As for DART First State, I do remember reading about a proposal for a light rail system, but I forget where I read about it. ----
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- Actually, Dublin does have a light rail system, called
Luas, tho I encountered these categories when I sat that one of Dublin's DART stations had been added to (and
removed from) a disused station in Dublin (which was not never a
DART station). But the key thing here is that that the head article is
Dallas Area Rapid Transit. There is a long-standing convention that categ names use the name of the head article. --
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- The result of the discussion was: rename all as there are no objections. Kbdank71 17:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose re-naming to
- Category:Baronies of Clare to Category:Baronies of County Clare
- Category:Baronies of Cork to Category:Baronies of County Cork
- Category:Baronies of Donegal to Category:Baronies of County Donegal
- Category:Baronies of Dublin to Category:Baronies of County Dublin
- Category:Baronies of Kilkenny to Category:Baronies of County Kilkenny
- Category:Baronies of Mayo to Category:Baronies of County Mayo
- Category:Baronies of Waterford to Category:Baronies of County Waterford
- Proposer's rationale per convention of Category:Counties of the Republic of Ireland and Category:Categories by county in the Republic of Ireland. (Stable convention established in 2007 in the discussions listed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland/Archive 2#Renaming_the_by-county_categories). -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 06:47, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. Kbdank71 17:20, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Mount Royal College alumni to Category:Mount Royal University alumni
- Nominator's rationale: Rename. Mount Royal College redirects to Mount Royal University since the school was renamed in 2009. The alumni category should match. Brian the Editor ( talk) 21:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Support - No issues. Chris ( talk) 21:19, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Support Rename to match title of parent article. Alansohn ( talk) 04:44, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
- Support -- This is the usual solution for renamed institutions. Peterkingiron ( talk) 22:06, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename as there are no objections. Kbdank71 17:22, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Government of Dublin to Category:Government of County Dublin
- Nominator's rationale: This category consists of current and former local authorities with in the fotmer County Dublin and the city of Dublin. The current naming convention is that categs relating solely to the city should be named "Foo of Dublin", whereas categs which cover both the City and County should be named "Foo of County Dublin", which sub-cats as needed. Since this category has the wider scope, it should use the more inclusive name. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 21:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 13:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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- Nominator's rationale: The Golden Horseshoe Roads project was upmerged into WP:ONRD. The remnants of the project have been nominated for deletion. Imzadi 1979 → 19:13, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. ➜ Gƒoley Four (GSV) 20:43, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename per parent cat and head article. Kbdank71 17:24, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Buildings and structures at the University of Dublin, Trinity College to Category:Buildings and structures of Trinity College, Dublin
- Nominator's rationale: per convention of Category:Buildings and structures by university or college ("Buildings and structures of foo", and per convention of the parent category Category:Trinity College, Dublin and head article Trinity College, Dublin. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 16:30, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose alternative renaming to
Category:Buildings and structures of Trinity College Dublin. I agree with the principle of the renaming, but the college's
2010 statutes establish firmly the use of the name without the comma. --
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- The head article remains at Trinity College, Dublin, with the comma. You are welcome to open a WP:RM discussion on that, and if it is successful then you should propose a group renaming of Category:Trinity College, Dublin and all its subcats. But right now, convention is to use the comma. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 23:40, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete the nominated categories only. The only category discussed was not tagged for deletion. Kbdank71 17:25, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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- Nominator's rationale: Delete. This category has only one subcategory, as do the three above it (which I am also nominating). This category tree seems to have spawned from one user's desire to sort Category:Clube de Regatas do Flamengo captains into more than just the club category. If more club captains categories existed (although I don't think they should), I could see a need for these categories, but this is overkill at this time. – Pee Jay 15:06, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete all – and also delete Category:Clube de Regatas do Flamengo captains. Being captain is not a big deal in football. (Looking through Category:Clube de Regatas do Flamengo captains, I have not yet found a single article which mentions the captaincy; neither is there a list anywhere, so this looks like unsourced OR. We don't even categorise by captaining the national soccer team, which is a bigger deal.) Occuli ( talk) 15:17, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete all including the Flamengo one, per Occuli. Being the captain is not a defining characteristic worth categorising -- ChrisTheDude ( talk) 08:59, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. Kbdank71 17:28, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Aquaria in Washington, D.C. and Category:Zoos in Washington, D.C. to Category:Zoos and Aquaria in Washington, D.C.
- Nominator's rationale: I recommend that this category be deleted and that the single article in it (and the only one that will ever apply) be merged upward into Category:Buildings and structures in Washington, D.C.. In my opinion there is no need for this level of category granularity for a single article. Kumioko ( talk) 12:26, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- It might actualy be a better idea, know that I think about to merge this with Category:Zoos in Washington, D.C. into a new category called Category:Zoos and Aquaria in Washington, D.C. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kumioko ( talk • contribs)
- Keep both – part of Category:Aquaria in the United States, subcatted by state, and Category:Zoos in the United States, subcatted by state. Occuli ( talk) 14:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Actually that brings up a good point. Rather than have 2 separate categories for Zoos and Aquaria by state and most of them have less than 5 pages in each category (many have 1 page). I think it might be a good idea to merge the 2 parent categories of
Category:Aquaria in the United States and
Category:Zoos in the United States into
Category:Zoos and Aquaria in the United States. This would eliminate about 50 categories, would consolidate these 2 like things (they both house planetary creatures for study, preservation and view) and still allow state by state visibility. --
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- But we have
Category:Aquaria and
Category:Zoos, both organised by country, and we don't have
Category:Aquaria and Zoos (or
Category:Zoos and Aquaria), so just go with the flow.
Occuli (
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- Its easy to add a category (or in this case merge 1). It would still be organized by country/state, we don't need to have either of those 2 categies we can just add the parent categories of
Category:Aquaria and
Category:Zoos by country to the new
Category:Zoos and Aquaria in the United States and it will still have the same effect, only with less categories to maintain/have on the articles. --
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Category:Aquaria, as a zoo is not an aquarium.
Occuli (
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- All it takes to make it a subcat is to add it. The title itself doesn't mean that it can't reside as a subcat just because it has 2 different things in it. We do this kind of thing all the time. But your oppose is noted. We'll see what other editors think and if its decided we need to keep it thats fine. . -- Kumioko ( talk) 15:57, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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Category:Zoos and Aquaria in the United States is not a subcat of
Category:Aquaria, as a zoo is not an aquarium.
Occuli (
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- Its easy to add a category (or in this case merge 1). It would still be organized by country/state, we don't need to have either of those 2 categies we can just add the parent categories of
Category:Aquaria and
Category:Zoos by country to the new
Category:Zoos and Aquaria in the United States and it will still have the same effect, only with less categories to maintain/have on the articles. --
Kumioko (
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- But we have
Category:Aquaria and
Category:Zoos, both organised by country, and we don't have
Category:Aquaria and Zoos (or
Category:Zoos and Aquaria), so just go with the flow.
Occuli (
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- Actually that brings up a good point. Rather than have 2 separate categories for Zoos and Aquaria by state and most of them have less than 5 pages in each category (many have 1 page). I think it might be a good idea to merge the 2 parent categories of
Category:Aquaria in the United States and
Category:Zoos in the United States into
Category:Zoos and Aquaria in the United States. This would eliminate about 50 categories, would consolidate these 2 like things (they both house planetary creatures for study, preservation and view) and still allow state by state visibility. --
Kumioko (
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- keep both Unnecessary housekeeping change that does not help the category system. These categories are part of a recognized worldwide set of categories--a pattern. We do not make piecemeal changes at the lowest level, based on the current number of entries in a particular subcat. Hmains ( talk) 18:07, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Category:Aquaria is currently a sub-cat of Category:Zoos so each state aquaria cat could be added as a subcat under the state zoo cat. That wouldn't fix the low count of articles in each though. At least in the United States, just about all the professional associations consider zoos and aquaria to be a type of museum so there are definitely alternate classification possibilities. I agree with Hmains that any such reworking should start at the top level though. RevelationDirect ( talk) 22:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Keep All as part of parent categories that organize such establishments across the U.S. Alansohn ( talk) 04:45, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: keep/withdrawn. Kbdank71 17:48, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Airfields of the United States Army Air Forces in Washington, D.C. to [[:Category:]]
- Nominator's rationale: I recommend that this category be deleted and that the single article in it (and the only one that will ever apply) be merged upward into Category:Airports in Washington, D.C.. In my opinion there is no need fro this level of category granularity. Kumioko ( talk) 12:24, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- That would be an incomplete merger, as it would lose the U.S. Army Air Force connection. The parent on that side is
Category:Airfields of the United States Army Air Forces in the United States by state, which is clearly an inappropriate merger target, and of which this category forms part of a comprehensive system. Which provides the need for "category granularity" in this instance.
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- I agree that it needs to be added to that Category as well. Could we upmerge it to that one as well. I just don't see the need for a category that will only ever have 1 article although I do agree that it shouldn't be removed from that category. --
Kumioko (
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- Well, not to Category:Airfields of the United States Army Air Forces in the United States by state, which is just for subcategories, but to Category:Airfields of the United States Army Air Forces in the United States. I see there is one article directly in there, for an airfield in the U.S. Virgin Islands. So either that should also be given a subcategory or the D.C. airfield should go in that category too. postdlf ( talk) 13:52, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- I agree that it needs to be added to that Category as well. Could we upmerge it to that one as well. I just don't see the need for a category that will only ever have 1 article although I do agree that it shouldn't be removed from that category. --
Kumioko (
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- Keep – an integral part of
Category:Airfields of the United States Army Air Forces in the United States by state.
Occuli (
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- After further review of the articles and categories relating to this I concede that this is probably not a good suggestion. I would like to withdraw this CFD. -- Kumioko ( talk) 14:44, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete all. Kbdank71 17:43, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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- Nominator's rationale: WP:ONRD's parent project WP:CRWP has used the standardized category names used by WP:USRD and other highway projects rendering these categories out of use now. Imzadi 1979 → 09:57, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
Oppose for now. The effect of this change will be to complete an upmerger of Category:WikiProject Ontario Roads articles to Category:WikiProject Canada Roads articles, a change which appears to have been driven by the nominator in connection with a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canada Roads and some shorter discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canada Roads/Ontario. Both discussions have very few participants, and no clear explanation of what's actually going on: I presume that some templates have been merged, but it's not clear exactly what has been done.
I have no particular concern either way about whether WikiProject Canada Roads/Ontario continues to have its own category tree for assessments, but I am concern that this change appears to have been made with relatively little participation. It seems to me that WikiProject Ontario may be expected to have some views on this, but I see no sign of any relevant discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ontario.
In short, this change seems to affect a number of wikiprojects: WP:ONRD, WP:CRWP, WP:CANADA, and WP:ONTARIO, but AFAICS only the first two have been consulted. The latest template changes partially reverse a previous merger of templates, and such instability is not helpful. Please ensure that this merger has consenus amongst all the involved projects before proceeding. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 02:56, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- There are category trees for all provinces and territories now. This category tree though is redundant. As for WP:CANADA and WP:ONTARIO, they're not affected. Their banner templates remain on the articles, and they had separate category trees. In short, this category tree was only used by a now-deleted banner template. Your concerns and reasons for opposing are baseless.
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- Try a little civility, rather than flatly saying that my "concerns and reasons for opposing are baseless".
- Read what I wrote. I did not say that this was a bad idea, simply that you had not consulted the other WikiProjects. You think they are unaffected; but try asking them. For example WP:ONTARIO may have views on whether or not it is a good idea to get rid of the Ontario roads assessment categories, or whether there should be some joint system of assessment categorisation.
- You say that "There are category trees for all provinces and territories now". I have looked at Category:WikiProject Canada Roads articles, and don't see any such category trees, just one for all of Canada. Maybe I have missed something, but if so, where are these categories?
- You say that "this category tree though is redundant". Why? What's its replacement?
- Finally, I have no substantive view either way on this. I simply want to ensure that all the relevant wikiprojects are happy with whatever solution is adopted. --
BrownHairedGirl
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- I was civil. Your concerns, while valid, have no basis in what is actually going on.
- I did read what you wrote. The category tree was actually replaced. This is the old tree. It's not in use but if you look for Category:GA-Class Ontario road transport articles and its kin, you'd see that there is another category tree in place, which matches the trees for the other 9 provinces, 3 Canadian territories, 50 US states, 6 US territories and WP:HWY's regional task forces.
- Yes, there are. Just as there is Category:Stub-Class Ontario road transport articles there is Category:Stub-Class Manitoba road transport articles and its kin.
- See above for the replacement.
- All of this was spelled out on the various discussion pages for WP:ONRD and WP:CRWP, and in its banner template, {{ Canada Roads WikiProject}}. {{ WikiProject Canada}} (which is used by WP:ONTARIO) never used these categories. Rather, the now-deleted {{ WikiProject Ontario Roads}} used them. Imzadi 1979 → 03:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- P.S. The
Category:Stub-Class Canada Roads articles tree is also being retired, and replaced by
Category:Stub-Class Canada road transport articles tree. The reason for the switch is that any articles that remain in the old category trees need the new banner template, and to be consistent with what the other roads projects have named the categories. In fact, the category tree was switched 3 years ago when the CRWP-specific banner was force-merged into the WP:CANADA banner. It's now being switched back on a national level, and the provincial- and territory-level trees have been implemented completely for the first time.
Imzadi
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- Imzadi, you may legitimately think that my concerns are mistaken, but calling them baseless is simply rude. As you saw above, I had several grounds for those concerns, so saying "baseless" either means that you didn't read what I wrote or that you think my concerns are delusional nonsense. Learn a bit of civility, and don't do that.
- I posted here after reading the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Canada Roads, where you posted to say that " CRWP previously had its own banner that was "forcibly" merged into the main CANADA banner during a period of low-CRWP activity. This would just be a reversal of that process".
- So, this is all part of a process of reversing a previous merger of templates, presumably at the behest of
WP:CANADA. When something which has been merged by another project is now being unmerged, there will be instability unless all the relevant projects are involved. Your insistence that this is nothing to do with
WP:CANADA doesn't fit with the history you have set out, so just notify them. --
BrownHairedGirl
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- They've already been notified.
Template_talk:WikiProject_Canada#Canada_Roads_WikiProject.
Imzadi
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04:45, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for the pointer; that's just the sort of cross-project discussion which I wanted to see evidence of, so I will strike my objection. It would have saved us both a lot of time if you had posted that link at the start, rather than snottily repeating
your concerns have no basislike a robot in a programming loop. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for the pointer; that's just the sort of cross-project discussion which I wanted to see evidence of, so I will strike my objection. It would have saved us both a lot of time if you had posted that link at the start, rather than snottily repeating
- They've already been notified.
Template_talk:WikiProject_Canada#Canada_Roads_WikiProject.
Imzadi
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- Delete Bottom line, this is just a rename of Category:_-Class Ontario road articles to Category:_-Class Ontario road transport articles. Not a huge deal. --
Rs
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03:41, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- Where is the equivalent category to Category:Ontario road articles by quality, i.e. one which groups them all?
- If this is in effect a renaming, why didn't Imzadi1979 set that out in the nomination? -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 04:22, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- ... Category:Ontario road transport articles by quality?
- I don't know? You'll have to ask him. -- Rs chen 7754 04:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete - Unused and not needed. Dough 48 72 03:42, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete redundant, unneeded. -- Admrboltz ( talk) 03:47, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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Od Mishehu
13:35, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:WikiProject Science Fiction categories to Category:Category-Class Science Fiction articles
- Nominator's rationale: Rename. Convention of Category:Category-Class articles, also the category should be applied to the category talk page rather than the category itself. Tim! ( talk) 09:51, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose these are not categories that are processed through the WikiProject banner (otherwise all the contents would be talk pages), it is a category of categories. It does not lie in the
Category:Category-Class articles category tree.
65.94.44.124 (
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- Read the nomination, I said it should be move to the talk pages. Tim! ( talk) 10:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment if they are to be bannered into "Category-Class Science Fiction articles" then the wikiproject banner needs to be applied to the various categories, which is not a function of CfD. Indeed, there already exists a
Category:Category-Class science fiction articles .
65.94.44.124 (
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06:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- This category should simply be deleted then. Tim! ( talk) 10:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete - It is not populated with WikiProject categories utilized by WikiProject Science Fiction. Rather, it is populated with a random set of article space Science Fiction categories. Its usage is not consistent with the other categories listed at Category:WikiProject Science fiction. No one at the WikiProject has noticed, so I doubt it will be missed. -- Uzma Gamal ( talk) 09:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete all. Kbdank71 17:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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- Delete redundant and unneeded. -- Admrboltz ( talk) 20:28, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
- Delete - Categories no longer needed. Dough 48 72 01:27, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: rename all. Kbdank71 17:37, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose renaming
- Nominator's rationale: Rename. Expand abbreviation to match head article Dallas Area Rapid Transit, and to remove ambiguity with the Dublin Area Rapid Transit, also known as DART. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 07:32, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Notification at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 December 11#Dallas_Area_Rapid_Transit. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 16:34, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- rename per nom Results will also match the immediate parent category name which is spelled out. Hmains ( talk) 18:09, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Rename: It is also ambiguous with Category:DART First State. RevelationDirect ( talk) 22:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
- Comment: Admittedly, I opposed this at first on the grounds of familiarity and common sense, as well as the fact that neither Dublin, nor anyplace in Delaware have an active light rail system, but the nominee does have a valid argument for doing so. As for
Category:DART light rail station images, I was hoping to add the remaining images to the commons and get it deleted, providing that no images related to DART Light Rail that aren't in the commons can be stamped with that category. ----
DanTD (
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- Actually, Dublin does have a light rail system, called
Luas, tho I encountered these categories when I sat that one of Dublin's DART stations had been added to (and
removed from) a disused station in Dublin (which was not never a
DART station). But the key thing here is that that the head article is
Dallas Area Rapid Transit. There is a long-standing convention that categ names use the name of the head article. --
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- Okay, I stand corrected regarding Dublin. But there's no mistaking Luas for DART. As for DART First State, I do remember reading about a proposal for a light rail system, but I forget where I read about it. ----
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- Right now, DART First State is strictly buses. There is a proposal for a Wilmington trolley line but they don't have the funds right now so, in the mean time, they decorated some buses to look like trolleys. To be honest though, no one could mistake these silly "trolleys on wheels" with an actual light rail system. But, someone unfamiliar with the different DARTs wouldn't know that. RevelationDirect ( talk) 22:26, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
- Okay, I stand corrected regarding Dublin. But there's no mistaking Luas for DART. As for DART First State, I do remember reading about a proposal for a light rail system, but I forget where I read about it. ----
DanTD (
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- Actually, Dublin does have a light rail system, called
Luas, tho I encountered these categories when I sat that one of Dublin's DART stations had been added to (and
removed from) a disused station in Dublin (which was not never a
DART station). But the key thing here is that that the head article is
Dallas Area Rapid Transit. There is a long-standing convention that categ names use the name of the head article. --
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- The result of the discussion was: rename all as there are no objections. Kbdank71 17:38, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
- Propose re-naming to
- Category:Baronies of Clare to Category:Baronies of County Clare
- Category:Baronies of Cork to Category:Baronies of County Cork
- Category:Baronies of Donegal to Category:Baronies of County Donegal
- Category:Baronies of Dublin to Category:Baronies of County Dublin
- Category:Baronies of Kilkenny to Category:Baronies of County Kilkenny
- Category:Baronies of Mayo to Category:Baronies of County Mayo
- Category:Baronies of Waterford to Category:Baronies of County Waterford
- Proposer's rationale per convention of Category:Counties of the Republic of Ireland and Category:Categories by county in the Republic of Ireland. (Stable convention established in 2007 in the discussions listed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland/Archive 2#Renaming_the_by-county_categories). -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 06:47, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
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