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Please could someone take a look at this article. First I wanted to add a template for speedy deletion because of WP:nonsense but perhaps this really is a man, famous in the region of Cork.-- Thw1309 09:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I just nominated George Moore (novelist) at FAR because it lacks inline citations. To comment or help improve the article, please see Wikipedia:Featured article review/George Moore (novelist). Calliopejen1 17:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
New article your project may want to tag and assess: Enda Walsh. Also untagged: Disco Pigs, Elaine Cassidy, Gavin Friday, Jim Sheridan and Aidan Gillen.
BTW, perhaps I'm film-centric, but is Cillian Murphy, one of the most famous Irish film actors, really of only low importance to your project? Best, Melty girl 23:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Cillian Murphy has been upgraded since becoming GA, and it was just rated A by WikiProject Biography. I don't know how your assessment process works, but you may want to reassess the article. Thanks, Melty girl 20:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Be advised that the article Bang Bang (Dublin) is now being disussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bang Bang (Dublin). He may be part urban myth, but I seem to remember an old man who used to randomly walk around central Dublin who would abruptly roar "Bang!", maybe in the early 1970's.
Whilst I am here, I may as well ask if anyone knows anymore verses to this rhyme (which is best recited in a broad Dublin accent):
I am not sure what encyclopedic value this is, but let me know if you can remember anything anyways. -- Gavin Collins 12:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
variant reading of this ancient piece of doggerel:
...when the rake began to hop, Johnston Mooney bought a shop
When the shop began to sell, Johnston Mooney went to hell. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
62.31.43.107 (
talk) 20:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I have proposed renaming all the existing by-county categories to the format "stuff in County X". Many are currently just called "stuff in X", so e.g. Category:Geography of Leitrim would be renamed to Category:Geography of County Leitrim.
I have listed several million of these categories at CfD:
Comments welcome. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick note to say that the first those of Irish by-county categories have now been reamed by the bots, i.e. those nominated at CfD on October 6.
There are more to be done, i.e. those nominated at CfD on October 7. I expect that they will probably be renamed tomorrow. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
The final batch of by-county categories have now been nominated for renaming: see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 October 14#Even_more_Irish_by-county_categories. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:15, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be good coverage of roads in the Republic of Ireland: the National Primary Routes have a series of articles which mostly seem to be up to be B-class standard or better, and there is a more mixed collection of articles on regional roads.
They are currently all categorised under Category:Roads in the Republic of Ireland as Category:National Primary Route, Category:Regional Road or Category:Secondary roads in the Republic of Ireland. However, there is no consistent scheme of categorisation by county. Some articles are categorised under "Transport in County X", bit others have no geographical categorisation.
I propose to create a new category Category:Roads in the Republic of Ireland by county, with a subcat for each county Category:Roads in County Carlow etc, and categorise all the road articles accordingly (e.g. N15 road would go in Category:Roads in County Donegal, Category:Roads in County Leitrim and Category:Roads in County Sligo. Any thoughts?
There appear to be fewer road articles in Category:Roads in Northern Ireland, so I'm not sure if this would be quite so useful in the North, but it could be done there too. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
(de-indent) I think some of you don't quite see the issue in the same way as I do. I understand that BHG intends these to be additional, renamed cats and not replacements. I cannot agree with more cats for these roads. The problem is that National Primary Route, Roads in the Republic of Ireland and Transport in the Republic of Ireland by locality with its county sub-categories, are already all sub-categories of Transport in the Republic of Ireland. WP guidelines discouraged editors from categorising articles in two sub-categories of the same category, or even a main cat and its sub-cat, as would be the case here. This would seem to be where Ardfern's categorising will lead us if we follow this track. Check out some general categorising guidelines #3 which says "Usually, articles should not be in both a category and its subcategory" but it goes on to give examples of exceptions but they do not cover our scenario. Having read the categorisation guideline, I would therefore suggest all the individual county transport categories should go up for deletion (whether renamed or not) and if no one else will do so I will do so, because it is basically providing different ways of categorising the same articles and making matters more complex, especially where one editors goes in one direction, like Ardfern and another editor chooses a different way of categorising the same type of articles. ww2censor 02:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Ww; I think we need some guidelines about replacing or downgrading someone else's photo and replacing it with your own. See St. Mary's Cathedral, Limerick and talk. A fine pic existed for over 2 years and then a poorer version barged in and took over! As you said of my wonderful contribution to your postage article (where you mistakenly though I was annoyed at your removal of it) - in future don't ask; just delete. The problem here (and I'm being 'stalked myself by another 'crappy snapper') is when OK images are being replaced by someone's blurred snatches through the car window. Can we produce a guide or should we just maintain huge watchlists and battle away? ( Sarah777 08:23, 9 October 2007 (UTC))
Hello there,
A straw poll has opened at this section of the United Kingdom talk page regarding the use of the Ulster Banner for that article's circumstances only. To capture a representative result as possible, you are invited to pass your opinion there. If joining the poll, please keep a cool head, and remain civil. Hope to see you there, Jza84 22:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
This is put forward as a category for deletion, here. To capture a representative result as possible, you are invited to pass your opinion there. If joining, please keep a cool head, and remain civil. Hope to see you there, ( Sarah777 21:30, 12 October 2007 (UTC))
Can any one confirm if Jason's snooker hall in Ranelagh, Dublin is closed? -- Gavin Collins 12:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm suggesting a split of articles and categories on Irish kings. See Talk:List of High Kings of Ireland. Cheers, Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Irish poetry has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. Ceoil 08:04, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi folks, I know that some editors have been working hard for a long time tagging article talk pages with {{ WikiProject Ireland}}, to facilitate monitoring and assessment of articles.
I have recently taken to doing this myself, and have {{ WikiProject Ireland category}} for use in tagging categories; it's more compact and avoids lumping categories into the project's importance categories.
I have also been discussing some automated tagging of categories and articles (see WP:BOTREQ#Tagging_for_WikiProject_Ireland), and I think that we are now close to having a bot tag all the sub-categories of Category:Ireland.
The bot can also tag the articles, but since bots aren't very adept at reading and assessing articles and, it would have to leave all the parameters blank. This may sound rather useless, but what it will do is to populate the unassessed categories, so at least we know what needs to be assessed. This see,ms to be be a very useful step.
However, while I have asked the bot-owner to ahead and tag the categories, I have asked hi to hold off so far on tagging the articles, because there are two issues which I have not yet clarified, and where I want to see if there is a consensus here.
I'm sorry but I'm confused - are Irish biographies being wikiproject tagged? -- Nengscoz41620 05:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I have been thinking about the tagging of the biographical articles. Of the 25,000 or so Irish articles, I did a count today and found 16,950 articles under Category:Irish people and its subcats. 113 of those are lists, and some are bands or other music articles, but the vast majority of the rest are biographies of an individual.
However, there are a few problems with building the list in this way, including:
So I don't think that a list of biographical articles can be created simply by recursing down through Category:Irish people and its subcats ... but it seems reasonable to estimate that if we exclude the 5,000 articles in the diaspora, there are about 10,000 Irish biographical articles out a total of about 20,000.
It seems to me that a group this large this would make a good subdivision of the project. Other projects have workgroups dealing with a particlar area of the project, with their own assessment categories, and I think that it would help this project to separate out the biographies. I'm aware that we don't currently have many people to form a separate workgroup, but I think that creating one now would:
Any thoughts on that? If there is a consensus in support of the idea, I'm happy to do the spadework of implementing it. --- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
The discussions which I was having with a bot-owner seem to have stalled, so I have created User:BHGbot for the explicit purpose of doing this tagging. BHGbot can be run only if given approval, which I have sought at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval#BHGbot.
I would be grateful if project members could take a look at BHGbot's userpage and at the request for approval, and offer any comments here. Thanks -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
PS I should stress that I regard the discussion above as having amounted to support for the principle of having a bot auto-tag WP:IE articles. I will seek explicit approval here before running the bot on any set of articles. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:33, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
There is a bit of an explanation above at #Project_tagging_of_article_talk_pages, but that stuff rather presumes some prior knowledge which may not be the case, so I'll try to start at the beginning.
Like many other WikiProject, this project has a system for assessing articles. The cornerstone of that system is a tag, in this case {{ WikiProject Ireland}}, which is placed on the talk page of an article within the scope of the project. Some articles may fall within the scope of more than one project, in which case this project's tag may be one of several (For an example of how it may look, see Talk:Donabate). Some articles may be within the scope of more than one project, in which case they have have multiple tags (see e.g. Talk:Easter Rising)
These tags have two purposes: to alert editors discussing the article that there is a wikiproject involved, and to use the tag's parameters label how the project has been assessed in various ways. Those assessments also categorise the article in various ways, which is where the are particularly useful, not least because a bot compiles a table of statistics from the categories: see Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland/Assessment.
(sorry, gotta go out now). Will complete this later. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs)
BHGbot has now completed its trial run, which is a required step along the way to full approval of a bot. The details are at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BHGbot#Trial_run_complete, where comments are welcome. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
What's the fuss, Wikipedia Ireland is a dead duck, thanks to a small section of ego-centric individuals. Sarah777, you do excellent work, it's appreciated by your fellow editors. The Admins tried to cobble you too, and Vintagekits. They pulverized GH, and all he did was to fall in love in the wrong circumctance. And it's always classified evidence. Enough said! 19:53, 28 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.19.83.222 ( talk)
Coming out from a few conversations, a Gaeilge task force has been established to coordinate the translation of Irish place names and other Irish-language related work. Anyone who wants to get invovled is invited to add their names to the list of participants or drop a line on the task force talk page.
Even those without Irish are invited - an outside view is always important, and I'm certain that there is plenty of work that can be done without the need for the Auld'Gaeilge! -- sony-youth pléigh 16:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Domer48 and I are having a disagreement about the inclusion/exclusion of a list section in the Great Irish Famine article. I feel we've reached an impasse and would welcome some fresh eyes at Talk:Great Irish Famine. Dppowell 00:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
There's some pretty egregious WP:OWNing going on over there, not to mention violations of the recent arbitration ruling. There are grounds for escalation, but I'd prefer to treat that option as the last resort that it is. More editors taking an active interest in the article would be preferable...and would probably solve the WP:OWN issue in short order. I can't do more than I have without descending into an edit war. IMHO, it's one of the most important articles in the project, but it's in rough shape at the moment. Dppowell 02:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, S-Y. It's no skin off my nose, personally, but the article is making me cringe. He "allowed" me to streamline the intro, at least. ;) Dppowell 15:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
"were censured for disruptive editing during the arbitration case?" No. "I think you'll discover that calling additional attention to your current behavior isn't the best idea you've ever had." I don't think so. "You have some deeply flawed ideas about how dialogue works on Wikipedia." Cite the diff's? Have a read of this this, and keep it in mind while on discussion pages. -- Domer48 20:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I have done with this conversation, it has as much substance as a bottle of smoke. You resorted to canvassing support [1] [2], because you could not stand over your edit and defend it. You described it as a “List”, but could not defend it when I pointed you to WP:LIST. When you could not defend it using WP:LIST, you resorted to getting personal. [3] [4] [5] [6] When it was pointed out to you why you need to discuss the edit first [7] [8], you trew the rattle out of the cot [9], and ended up here. Now the discussion has moved on, there is some productive edits being made and suggested, and with luck, will continue. Notice the use of Diff’s, and that’s the difference, substance.-- Domer48 23:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Ah, changing the nature of your complaint completely. You left out the bit from the article talk page about you now using WP:NPOV, as the basis of your complaint. Totally new. No matter, I would just suggest that you do not fall into the situation of just trying to make a point, and appearing unreasonable. So like I suggested on the article talk page, start a new section, for your new complaint, even though it’s the same WP:LIST. Still no Diff's? -- Domer48 00:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
This like the previous conversation has gone stale, all I can suggest is, that when you’re in a whole, you should stop digging. I will not be drawn into petty little juvenile squabbles, something I learned from the arbitration. I’m here to edit and improve articles, so your wasting your time trying to goad me. In fact, in my opinion, you are just starting to sound silly, and by responding, I’m only encouraging you. Now there is some real discussion starting on the article, under the title “Government Response,” and I would welcome all interested editors to contribute, Thanks -- Domer48 00:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
{{RTEhosts}}
Does anyone either know how to edit this or know where the original is so I can edit it and add more hosts? -- Nengscoz416 00:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
As part of the featured portal candidacy for Portal:Ireland a suggestion was made to make a "topics" template of major ("must read" backgrounders, etc.) Ireland-related articles. I've hacked the following together, but it's obviously lacking. Can people add/remove as they feel is important according to their interest. Changes appear immediately on the portal. Thanks. -- sony-youth pléigh 15:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm working on the original Celtic tribes, recently creating these maps of their locations for Northern England and Southern England, I'm looking to do the same for Ireland, but sources are harder to come by. The sources for Ireland that I can find, name the tribes and show a basic location, but not the full borders [10] [11] (like the ones I've been able to create for England). I was wondering if anybody here knew of better sources to create this as guessing would be inaccurate. Thanks . - Yorkshirian 13:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
See:
-- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 14:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
A new article on the Irish actor and writer (apparently), Paudge Behan, has been created by Lynsin and expanded by me. Please help to provide more information for the article if you can. In particular, an editor is required to transcribe Behan's name into IPA. Thanks. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 03:39, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I enjoy expanding articles I know little about – quite challenging! But there's a dearth of information on Paudge Behan, so help in finding more information to expand the article would be welcome. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 23:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Lamhfionn is a brand new article that appears to relate to Irish mythology/history. Is it a viable article? Can you folks make it better? GRBerry 19:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi all! I'm not sure if this is the proper place (I know there's some sort of article request page on en-wiki somewhere else), but I'm wondering if anyone would like to collaborate on an article with me, specifically Fajujonu v. Minster of Justice. It's a fairly big case in Irish nationality/immigration law, and although the decision has been overturned by the Lobe and Osayande case (which would be another cool article to work on) and the 27th Amendment, it's definitely an important bit of information. I'd be more than happy to do the legwork (content and law review research), but I'm a bit hesitant to tackle it straight on by myself, as my knowledge of the finer points of law are wanting a bit. Thanks in advance, fellows! gaillimh Conas tá tú? 00:20, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Katherine Plunket - although I've written her biography twice the article's size, she was feature in a local newspaper somewhere, so if anyone in Ireland thinks they can track down the newspaper and find her photo, that would be a rare find! But I thought she would be a useful article for you guys. Neal 12:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC).
I haven't researched Katherine Plunket in a while. But when I last did, Googling her name and compiling all her sources, I came up with this:
Katherine was born in Kilsaran, County Louth, Ireland. She was a member of the Irish aristocracy. Her father was a clergyman when she was born, and later became a bishop, giving her the title the Honourable Katherine Plunket.
When Katherine was baptised at Kilsaran Church on December 13, 1820, her Christian name was recorded as Catherine, but later in life she spelt her name with a K. She was the oldest of 6 children, though 1 of them died soon after birth. She inherited a house in Ireland, and, for a time, had a house in London. She travelled a lot, visiting every capital city in Europe, often with her younger sister Gertrude. She was an amateur artist and made many sketches in Italy and Switzerland.
Katherine never married and outlived all her younger sisters. She faced no serious health problems except for a case of bronchitis at 102. She often claimed she never had a bad night's sleep in her life. For her birthdays she customarily feasted on roast turkey, plum pudding, and champagne.
When she reached the age of 109 she was sent a telegram of congratulation by King George V. Julia Hynes traced many articles about her in the Irish newspapers on her 103rd, 107th, 108th, 109th, 110th and 111th birthdays. When she died, King George V sent a telegram of condolence to her relatives. She had obituary notices in the London newspapers The Times and The Morning Post, and in the Irish newspapers. She was the last person alive to see the famous novelist Sir Walter Scott (1771-1832) alive.
In other words, from the last paragraph, she had a lot of media attention and obituaries, so I feel more info could be found of her in libraries than on the Internet. I did all the Internet research - just not all the off-line research as I'm geographically separated. Neal ( talk) 00:55, 23 November 2007 (UTC).
Wise Owl Bookshop
Submitted this article. Trying to find any additional online information if anyone has any - as referencing offline stuff is very difficult.
Gloworm747 ( talk) 12:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I just found out that this article's GA nominator is on vacation. Could someone else take a look at the GA review, and make necessary changes? If you have queries, leave a note on my talk page. Cheers, Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 06:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Now and then we have editors (usually new ones) putting a bunch of badly-sourced info in the Irish and Scottish mythology articles. These folks are well-intentioned, I'm sure, but using bad sources (usually tertiary, Newage ones). I've seen some recent problems with a new user conflating Irish myths with Greek and English ones, which, while I suppose it would be acceptable to include a "comparative mythology" type section further down, when just plopped into the lead or main body of the article it is confusing and inappropriate. I'll try to clean up the ones I've come across, but if others could keep their eyes open as well, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. (Note, I was really disturbed to see part of Connla's Well ended up in a DYK bit on the Main Page, because that article was a mess. It still needs work, but was really not up to par when it was used for DYK.) - Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦ ♫ 04:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
The following mergers have been proposed
Proposal Talk:Ireland national football team IFA#Proposed_mergers with lead-up discussion earlier on that Talk: page. Fasach Nua ( talk) 09:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Most of my articles focus on Irish history prior to 1800, with a bias towards the learned classes. Would appreciate feedback and/or collaboration, as well as advice as to how to help in this particular project. Fergananim ( talk) 14:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I've been working on names within Wikiproject:Anthroponymy. Are Irish names, for example Fitzmaurice, candidates for a Talk page template? If so, which one? Any other policy pointers are appreciated, too. Thanks. Rosiestephenson ( talk) 23:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
The Wikiproject: Anthroponymy is about the study of names. There are a lot of Irish origin given names and surnames, even nicknames. By creating/editing those articles, I thought I could be a contributor to Wikiproject:Ireland. Rosiestephenson ( talk) 19:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I've created the template below based on the US county version. I've so far populated the Wicklow version of it; anyone wishing to make up versions for other counties? Perhaps it could be added to one of the to-do lists on the main page? Thanks. Schcambo ( talk) 15:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
County | County seat general/gov.ie |
County town general/gov.ie |
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Kerry | 150 hits / 1 hits | 3,750 hits / 47 hits |
Kildare | 51 hits / 1 hit | 3,970 hits / 44 hits |
Mayo | 68 hits | 3,640 hits |
Meath | 63 hits | 508 hits |
Roscommon | 55 hits | 3,110 hits |
Sligo | 57 hits | 3,160 hits |
Wexford | 68 hits | 2,370 hits |
Fair enough, it does seem to be used sometimes -- I just hadn't heard it at all.
But I did some google-testing of the two terms, searching for each of them on Irish websites, and "county town" remains the overwhelmingly-used term, as shown in the table on the right.
There was no particular reason for selecting those counties, and others may want to complete the list, but I don't see any reason to expect significantly different results for the other counties.
So it seems that "county town" is still the overwhelmingly-used term in popular usage. I started adding in columns for the same search restricted to the gov.ie
domain, but gave up after two counties because "county town" still predominated. --
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs) 23:35, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Added Template:County_Kilkenny ( Okeeffe.christopher ( talk) 16:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC))
Great news! The Ireland portal has been made a featured portal, taking it's place along side the Scotland, London and North West England portals on these islands and the France and European Union portals on the continent.
p.s. Nollaig shonna diobh! -- sony-youth pléigh 18:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. -- Kbdank71 15:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
-- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 11:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 January 8#Category:Non-article_Ireland_articles. The proposed renaming is probably a good idea, but a pity that the nominator didn't notify this project. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 11:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Geography of Ireland has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.
I've listed it for peer review here. I'd appreciate it if someone would review, Cheers, Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 04:06, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
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Could someone here please have a look at the article ( Wikipedia talk:Notability seems like a poor place to bring it up), I'm thinking it may warrant an {{ obituary}} template as it stands now. I feel that the links from 1931(added by an Irish anonymous IP, perhaps the editor who started the article) and 2008 give it further weight and uncertain if it is warranted. Cheers, 88.148.195.147 ( talk) 18:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
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Please could someone take a look at this article. First I wanted to add a template for speedy deletion because of WP:nonsense but perhaps this really is a man, famous in the region of Cork.-- Thw1309 09:40, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
I just nominated George Moore (novelist) at FAR because it lacks inline citations. To comment or help improve the article, please see Wikipedia:Featured article review/George Moore (novelist). Calliopejen1 17:23, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
New article your project may want to tag and assess: Enda Walsh. Also untagged: Disco Pigs, Elaine Cassidy, Gavin Friday, Jim Sheridan and Aidan Gillen.
BTW, perhaps I'm film-centric, but is Cillian Murphy, one of the most famous Irish film actors, really of only low importance to your project? Best, Melty girl 23:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
Cillian Murphy has been upgraded since becoming GA, and it was just rated A by WikiProject Biography. I don't know how your assessment process works, but you may want to reassess the article. Thanks, Melty girl 20:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
Be advised that the article Bang Bang (Dublin) is now being disussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bang Bang (Dublin). He may be part urban myth, but I seem to remember an old man who used to randomly walk around central Dublin who would abruptly roar "Bang!", maybe in the early 1970's.
Whilst I am here, I may as well ask if anyone knows anymore verses to this rhyme (which is best recited in a broad Dublin accent):
I am not sure what encyclopedic value this is, but let me know if you can remember anything anyways. -- Gavin Collins 12:44, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
variant reading of this ancient piece of doggerel:
...when the rake began to hop, Johnston Mooney bought a shop
When the shop began to sell, Johnston Mooney went to hell. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
62.31.43.107 (
talk) 20:01, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
I have proposed renaming all the existing by-county categories to the format "stuff in County X". Many are currently just called "stuff in X", so e.g. Category:Geography of Leitrim would be renamed to Category:Geography of County Leitrim.
I have listed several million of these categories at CfD:
Comments welcome. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Just a quick note to say that the first those of Irish by-county categories have now been reamed by the bots, i.e. those nominated at CfD on October 6.
There are more to be done, i.e. those nominated at CfD on October 7. I expect that they will probably be renamed tomorrow. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
The final batch of by-county categories have now been nominated for renaming: see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 October 14#Even_more_Irish_by-county_categories. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:15, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be good coverage of roads in the Republic of Ireland: the National Primary Routes have a series of articles which mostly seem to be up to be B-class standard or better, and there is a more mixed collection of articles on regional roads.
They are currently all categorised under Category:Roads in the Republic of Ireland as Category:National Primary Route, Category:Regional Road or Category:Secondary roads in the Republic of Ireland. However, there is no consistent scheme of categorisation by county. Some articles are categorised under "Transport in County X", bit others have no geographical categorisation.
I propose to create a new category Category:Roads in the Republic of Ireland by county, with a subcat for each county Category:Roads in County Carlow etc, and categorise all the road articles accordingly (e.g. N15 road would go in Category:Roads in County Donegal, Category:Roads in County Leitrim and Category:Roads in County Sligo. Any thoughts?
There appear to be fewer road articles in Category:Roads in Northern Ireland, so I'm not sure if this would be quite so useful in the North, but it could be done there too. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 17:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
(de-indent) I think some of you don't quite see the issue in the same way as I do. I understand that BHG intends these to be additional, renamed cats and not replacements. I cannot agree with more cats for these roads. The problem is that National Primary Route, Roads in the Republic of Ireland and Transport in the Republic of Ireland by locality with its county sub-categories, are already all sub-categories of Transport in the Republic of Ireland. WP guidelines discouraged editors from categorising articles in two sub-categories of the same category, or even a main cat and its sub-cat, as would be the case here. This would seem to be where Ardfern's categorising will lead us if we follow this track. Check out some general categorising guidelines #3 which says "Usually, articles should not be in both a category and its subcategory" but it goes on to give examples of exceptions but they do not cover our scenario. Having read the categorisation guideline, I would therefore suggest all the individual county transport categories should go up for deletion (whether renamed or not) and if no one else will do so I will do so, because it is basically providing different ways of categorising the same articles and making matters more complex, especially where one editors goes in one direction, like Ardfern and another editor chooses a different way of categorising the same type of articles. ww2censor 02:50, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
Ww; I think we need some guidelines about replacing or downgrading someone else's photo and replacing it with your own. See St. Mary's Cathedral, Limerick and talk. A fine pic existed for over 2 years and then a poorer version barged in and took over! As you said of my wonderful contribution to your postage article (where you mistakenly though I was annoyed at your removal of it) - in future don't ask; just delete. The problem here (and I'm being 'stalked myself by another 'crappy snapper') is when OK images are being replaced by someone's blurred snatches through the car window. Can we produce a guide or should we just maintain huge watchlists and battle away? ( Sarah777 08:23, 9 October 2007 (UTC))
Hello there,
A straw poll has opened at this section of the United Kingdom talk page regarding the use of the Ulster Banner for that article's circumstances only. To capture a representative result as possible, you are invited to pass your opinion there. If joining the poll, please keep a cool head, and remain civil. Hope to see you there, Jza84 22:42, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
This is put forward as a category for deletion, here. To capture a representative result as possible, you are invited to pass your opinion there. If joining, please keep a cool head, and remain civil. Hope to see you there, ( Sarah777 21:30, 12 October 2007 (UTC))
Can any one confirm if Jason's snooker hall in Ranelagh, Dublin is closed? -- Gavin Collins 12:30, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm suggesting a split of articles and categories on Irish kings. See Talk:List of High Kings of Ireland. Cheers, Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:25, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
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Hi folks, I know that some editors have been working hard for a long time tagging article talk pages with {{ WikiProject Ireland}}, to facilitate monitoring and assessment of articles.
I have recently taken to doing this myself, and have {{ WikiProject Ireland category}} for use in tagging categories; it's more compact and avoids lumping categories into the project's importance categories.
I have also been discussing some automated tagging of categories and articles (see WP:BOTREQ#Tagging_for_WikiProject_Ireland), and I think that we are now close to having a bot tag all the sub-categories of Category:Ireland.
The bot can also tag the articles, but since bots aren't very adept at reading and assessing articles and, it would have to leave all the parameters blank. This may sound rather useless, but what it will do is to populate the unassessed categories, so at least we know what needs to be assessed. This see,ms to be be a very useful step.
However, while I have asked the bot-owner to ahead and tag the categories, I have asked hi to hold off so far on tagging the articles, because there are two issues which I have not yet clarified, and where I want to see if there is a consensus here.
I'm sorry but I'm confused - are Irish biographies being wikiproject tagged? -- Nengscoz41620 05:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I have been thinking about the tagging of the biographical articles. Of the 25,000 or so Irish articles, I did a count today and found 16,950 articles under Category:Irish people and its subcats. 113 of those are lists, and some are bands or other music articles, but the vast majority of the rest are biographies of an individual.
However, there are a few problems with building the list in this way, including:
So I don't think that a list of biographical articles can be created simply by recursing down through Category:Irish people and its subcats ... but it seems reasonable to estimate that if we exclude the 5,000 articles in the diaspora, there are about 10,000 Irish biographical articles out a total of about 20,000.
It seems to me that a group this large this would make a good subdivision of the project. Other projects have workgroups dealing with a particlar area of the project, with their own assessment categories, and I think that it would help this project to separate out the biographies. I'm aware that we don't currently have many people to form a separate workgroup, but I think that creating one now would:
Any thoughts on that? If there is a consensus in support of the idea, I'm happy to do the spadework of implementing it. --- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
The discussions which I was having with a bot-owner seem to have stalled, so I have created User:BHGbot for the explicit purpose of doing this tagging. BHGbot can be run only if given approval, which I have sought at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval#BHGbot.
I would be grateful if project members could take a look at BHGbot's userpage and at the request for approval, and offer any comments here. Thanks -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
PS I should stress that I regard the discussion above as having amounted to support for the principle of having a bot auto-tag WP:IE articles. I will seek explicit approval here before running the bot on any set of articles. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 09:33, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
There is a bit of an explanation above at #Project_tagging_of_article_talk_pages, but that stuff rather presumes some prior knowledge which may not be the case, so I'll try to start at the beginning.
Like many other WikiProject, this project has a system for assessing articles. The cornerstone of that system is a tag, in this case {{ WikiProject Ireland}}, which is placed on the talk page of an article within the scope of the project. Some articles may fall within the scope of more than one project, in which case this project's tag may be one of several (For an example of how it may look, see Talk:Donabate). Some articles may be within the scope of more than one project, in which case they have have multiple tags (see e.g. Talk:Easter Rising)
These tags have two purposes: to alert editors discussing the article that there is a wikiproject involved, and to use the tag's parameters label how the project has been assessed in various ways. Those assessments also categorise the article in various ways, which is where the are particularly useful, not least because a bot compiles a table of statistics from the categories: see Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland/Assessment.
(sorry, gotta go out now). Will complete this later. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs)
BHGbot has now completed its trial run, which is a required step along the way to full approval of a bot. The details are at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BHGbot#Trial_run_complete, where comments are welcome. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 15:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
What's the fuss, Wikipedia Ireland is a dead duck, thanks to a small section of ego-centric individuals. Sarah777, you do excellent work, it's appreciated by your fellow editors. The Admins tried to cobble you too, and Vintagekits. They pulverized GH, and all he did was to fall in love in the wrong circumctance. And it's always classified evidence. Enough said! 19:53, 28 October 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.19.83.222 ( talk)
Coming out from a few conversations, a Gaeilge task force has been established to coordinate the translation of Irish place names and other Irish-language related work. Anyone who wants to get invovled is invited to add their names to the list of participants or drop a line on the task force talk page.
Even those without Irish are invited - an outside view is always important, and I'm certain that there is plenty of work that can be done without the need for the Auld'Gaeilge! -- sony-youth pléigh 16:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Domer48 and I are having a disagreement about the inclusion/exclusion of a list section in the Great Irish Famine article. I feel we've reached an impasse and would welcome some fresh eyes at Talk:Great Irish Famine. Dppowell 00:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
There's some pretty egregious WP:OWNing going on over there, not to mention violations of the recent arbitration ruling. There are grounds for escalation, but I'd prefer to treat that option as the last resort that it is. More editors taking an active interest in the article would be preferable...and would probably solve the WP:OWN issue in short order. I can't do more than I have without descending into an edit war. IMHO, it's one of the most important articles in the project, but it's in rough shape at the moment. Dppowell 02:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, S-Y. It's no skin off my nose, personally, but the article is making me cringe. He "allowed" me to streamline the intro, at least. ;) Dppowell 15:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
"were censured for disruptive editing during the arbitration case?" No. "I think you'll discover that calling additional attention to your current behavior isn't the best idea you've ever had." I don't think so. "You have some deeply flawed ideas about how dialogue works on Wikipedia." Cite the diff's? Have a read of this this, and keep it in mind while on discussion pages. -- Domer48 20:04, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
I have done with this conversation, it has as much substance as a bottle of smoke. You resorted to canvassing support [1] [2], because you could not stand over your edit and defend it. You described it as a “List”, but could not defend it when I pointed you to WP:LIST. When you could not defend it using WP:LIST, you resorted to getting personal. [3] [4] [5] [6] When it was pointed out to you why you need to discuss the edit first [7] [8], you trew the rattle out of the cot [9], and ended up here. Now the discussion has moved on, there is some productive edits being made and suggested, and with luck, will continue. Notice the use of Diff’s, and that’s the difference, substance.-- Domer48 23:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Ah, changing the nature of your complaint completely. You left out the bit from the article talk page about you now using WP:NPOV, as the basis of your complaint. Totally new. No matter, I would just suggest that you do not fall into the situation of just trying to make a point, and appearing unreasonable. So like I suggested on the article talk page, start a new section, for your new complaint, even though it’s the same WP:LIST. Still no Diff's? -- Domer48 00:07, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
This like the previous conversation has gone stale, all I can suggest is, that when you’re in a whole, you should stop digging. I will not be drawn into petty little juvenile squabbles, something I learned from the arbitration. I’m here to edit and improve articles, so your wasting your time trying to goad me. In fact, in my opinion, you are just starting to sound silly, and by responding, I’m only encouraging you. Now there is some real discussion starting on the article, under the title “Government Response,” and I would welcome all interested editors to contribute, Thanks -- Domer48 00:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
{{RTEhosts}}
Does anyone either know how to edit this or know where the original is so I can edit it and add more hosts? -- Nengscoz416 00:41, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
As part of the featured portal candidacy for Portal:Ireland a suggestion was made to make a "topics" template of major ("must read" backgrounders, etc.) Ireland-related articles. I've hacked the following together, but it's obviously lacking. Can people add/remove as they feel is important according to their interest. Changes appear immediately on the portal. Thanks. -- sony-youth pléigh 15:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm working on the original Celtic tribes, recently creating these maps of their locations for Northern England and Southern England, I'm looking to do the same for Ireland, but sources are harder to come by. The sources for Ireland that I can find, name the tribes and show a basic location, but not the full borders [10] [11] (like the ones I've been able to create for England). I was wondering if anybody here knew of better sources to create this as guessing would be inaccurate. Thanks . - Yorkshirian 13:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
See:
-- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 14:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
A new article on the Irish actor and writer (apparently), Paudge Behan, has been created by Lynsin and expanded by me. Please help to provide more information for the article if you can. In particular, an editor is required to transcribe Behan's name into IPA. Thanks. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 03:39, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I enjoy expanding articles I know little about – quite challenging! But there's a dearth of information on Paudge Behan, so help in finding more information to expand the article would be welcome. — Cheers, JackLee – talk– 23:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Lamhfionn is a brand new article that appears to relate to Irish mythology/history. Is it a viable article? Can you folks make it better? GRBerry 19:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Hi all! I'm not sure if this is the proper place (I know there's some sort of article request page on en-wiki somewhere else), but I'm wondering if anyone would like to collaborate on an article with me, specifically Fajujonu v. Minster of Justice. It's a fairly big case in Irish nationality/immigration law, and although the decision has been overturned by the Lobe and Osayande case (which would be another cool article to work on) and the 27th Amendment, it's definitely an important bit of information. I'd be more than happy to do the legwork (content and law review research), but I'm a bit hesitant to tackle it straight on by myself, as my knowledge of the finer points of law are wanting a bit. Thanks in advance, fellows! gaillimh Conas tá tú? 00:20, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Katherine Plunket - although I've written her biography twice the article's size, she was feature in a local newspaper somewhere, so if anyone in Ireland thinks they can track down the newspaper and find her photo, that would be a rare find! But I thought she would be a useful article for you guys. Neal 12:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC).
I haven't researched Katherine Plunket in a while. But when I last did, Googling her name and compiling all her sources, I came up with this:
Katherine was born in Kilsaran, County Louth, Ireland. She was a member of the Irish aristocracy. Her father was a clergyman when she was born, and later became a bishop, giving her the title the Honourable Katherine Plunket.
When Katherine was baptised at Kilsaran Church on December 13, 1820, her Christian name was recorded as Catherine, but later in life she spelt her name with a K. She was the oldest of 6 children, though 1 of them died soon after birth. She inherited a house in Ireland, and, for a time, had a house in London. She travelled a lot, visiting every capital city in Europe, often with her younger sister Gertrude. She was an amateur artist and made many sketches in Italy and Switzerland.
Katherine never married and outlived all her younger sisters. She faced no serious health problems except for a case of bronchitis at 102. She often claimed she never had a bad night's sleep in her life. For her birthdays she customarily feasted on roast turkey, plum pudding, and champagne.
When she reached the age of 109 she was sent a telegram of congratulation by King George V. Julia Hynes traced many articles about her in the Irish newspapers on her 103rd, 107th, 108th, 109th, 110th and 111th birthdays. When she died, King George V sent a telegram of condolence to her relatives. She had obituary notices in the London newspapers The Times and The Morning Post, and in the Irish newspapers. She was the last person alive to see the famous novelist Sir Walter Scott (1771-1832) alive.
In other words, from the last paragraph, she had a lot of media attention and obituaries, so I feel more info could be found of her in libraries than on the Internet. I did all the Internet research - just not all the off-line research as I'm geographically separated. Neal ( talk) 00:55, 23 November 2007 (UTC).
Wise Owl Bookshop
Submitted this article. Trying to find any additional online information if anyone has any - as referencing offline stuff is very difficult.
Gloworm747 ( talk) 12:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I just found out that this article's GA nominator is on vacation. Could someone else take a look at the GA review, and make necessary changes? If you have queries, leave a note on my talk page. Cheers, Dihydrogen Monoxide ♫ 06:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Now and then we have editors (usually new ones) putting a bunch of badly-sourced info in the Irish and Scottish mythology articles. These folks are well-intentioned, I'm sure, but using bad sources (usually tertiary, Newage ones). I've seen some recent problems with a new user conflating Irish myths with Greek and English ones, which, while I suppose it would be acceptable to include a "comparative mythology" type section further down, when just plopped into the lead or main body of the article it is confusing and inappropriate. I'll try to clean up the ones I've come across, but if others could keep their eyes open as well, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. (Note, I was really disturbed to see part of Connla's Well ended up in a DYK bit on the Main Page, because that article was a mess. It still needs work, but was really not up to par when it was used for DYK.) - Kathryn NicDhàna ♫♦ ♫ 04:44, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
The following mergers have been proposed
Proposal Talk:Ireland national football team IFA#Proposed_mergers with lead-up discussion earlier on that Talk: page. Fasach Nua ( talk) 09:33, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Most of my articles focus on Irish history prior to 1800, with a bias towards the learned classes. Would appreciate feedback and/or collaboration, as well as advice as to how to help in this particular project. Fergananim ( talk) 14:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I've been working on names within Wikiproject:Anthroponymy. Are Irish names, for example Fitzmaurice, candidates for a Talk page template? If so, which one? Any other policy pointers are appreciated, too. Thanks. Rosiestephenson ( talk) 23:29, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
The Wikiproject: Anthroponymy is about the study of names. There are a lot of Irish origin given names and surnames, even nicknames. By creating/editing those articles, I thought I could be a contributor to Wikiproject:Ireland. Rosiestephenson ( talk) 19:01, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
I've created the template below based on the US county version. I've so far populated the Wicklow version of it; anyone wishing to make up versions for other counties? Perhaps it could be added to one of the to-do lists on the main page? Thanks. Schcambo ( talk) 15:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
County | County seat general/gov.ie |
County town general/gov.ie |
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Kerry | 150 hits / 1 hits | 3,750 hits / 47 hits |
Kildare | 51 hits / 1 hit | 3,970 hits / 44 hits |
Mayo | 68 hits | 3,640 hits |
Meath | 63 hits | 508 hits |
Roscommon | 55 hits | 3,110 hits |
Sligo | 57 hits | 3,160 hits |
Wexford | 68 hits | 2,370 hits |
Fair enough, it does seem to be used sometimes -- I just hadn't heard it at all.
But I did some google-testing of the two terms, searching for each of them on Irish websites, and "county town" remains the overwhelmingly-used term, as shown in the table on the right.
There was no particular reason for selecting those counties, and others may want to complete the list, but I don't see any reason to expect significantly different results for the other counties.
So it seems that "county town" is still the overwhelmingly-used term in popular usage. I started adding in columns for the same search restricted to the gov.ie
domain, but gave up after two counties because "county town" still predominated. --
BrownHairedGirl
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contribs) 23:35, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Added Template:County_Kilkenny ( Okeeffe.christopher ( talk) 16:43, 13 February 2008 (UTC))
Great news! The Ireland portal has been made a featured portal, taking it's place along side the Scotland, London and North West England portals on these islands and the France and European Union portals on the continent.
p.s. Nollaig shonna diobh! -- sony-youth pléigh 18:32, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Removed cfdnotice, cfd has completed. -- Kbdank71 15:29, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
-- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 11:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2008 January 8#Category:Non-article_Ireland_articles. The proposed renaming is probably a good idea, but a pity that the nominator didn't notify this project. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 11:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
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I've listed it for peer review here. I'd appreciate it if someone would review, Cheers, Nousernamesleft copper, not wood 04:06, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
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Could someone here please have a look at the article ( Wikipedia talk:Notability seems like a poor place to bring it up), I'm thinking it may warrant an {{ obituary}} template as it stands now. I feel that the links from 1931(added by an Irish anonymous IP, perhaps the editor who started the article) and 2008 give it further weight and uncertain if it is warranted. Cheers, 88.148.195.147 ( talk) 18:21, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
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