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Category:StarCraft universe
Category:Reg Grundy game shows
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The result of the debate was no consensus --
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Category:Reg Grundy game shows to
Category:Two parent cats
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Category:New Zealand user templates
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The result of the debate was no consensus --
Kbdank71
19:52, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:New Zealand user templates to
Category:Location user templates
- Merge, We are not going to have a CAT for all 50 states, and this cateogry is sort of random being put right in
CAT:UT I say merge it with Location user templates, but there is prolly a better CAT. -
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Peter
21:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Strong oppose, though it needs a better parent vcat and is probably worth splitting into origin and residence, as per those for other countries, e.g., ‹The
template
Category link is being
considered for merging.›
Category:Canadian province of residence user templates and‹The
template
Category link is being
considered for merging.›
Category:US city of origin user templates (which itself needs renaming to remove the abbreviation, but I digress). From the nature of the nomination, I suspect the nominator may for some reason think that New Zealand is one of the United States's 50 states!
Grutness...
wha?
23:36, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Omega Psi Phi
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The result of the debate was delete.
Angus McLellan
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14:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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Delete, Small category, little chance for development in near future. History of similar cat deletions. —
Scouter
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21:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Pretenders to the throne of Israel
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The result of the debate was delete.
Angus McLellan
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14:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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Pure
WP:OR and violation of
WP:NOR and
WP:NONSENSE. There is no known "line of succession" to the "Israeli throne" and the "Israeli throne" does not exist! Therefore any "pretenders" must be lunatics because not a single respectable rabbinical organization or body from any of the
Jewish denominations accepts such a crazy claim! The article further violates
WP:NOT#SOAPBOX and
WP:NOT#CRYSTALBALL as no-one knows who the "next king of Israel is or will be" since according to Judaism, the claimant to the throne of final rulership of all Jews is the
Jewish Messiah himself! Wikipedia already has a
List of Messiah claimants ("messiah" meaning mashiach "anointed" king, in Hebrew) and the last one on that list of Jewish ones is Rabbi
Menachem Mendel Schneerson who is a lot more notable.
IZAK
21:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete for above reasons.
IZAK
21:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete. The
Kingdom of Israel did exist, but not exactly recently. It seems to me that there is a case for keeping track of pretenders to the thrones of recently-overthrown monarchies, but 2,000 years on is pushing the relevance factor a bit, particular when (as IZAK points out) there is no meaningful concept of an authorised claim to the long-defunct throne. --
BrownHairedGirl
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23:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment - neither sanity nor the continuing existence of the throne in question are necessary criteria for Pretenders - if anything the reverse. If the only member loses his AfD, then that is an end to it. Otherwise the category is not OR, as it reflects the article. Unless Izak knows something we don't, the Messiah issue is irelevant. I must say I was expecting to see JC in the category. As to time elapsed, the
Category:Claimant Kings of Jerusalem - fallen 1291 - is very thickly populated.
Johnbod
23:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Johnbod" "Claimant Kings of Jerusalem" is part of normative Crusader history, part of the Christian
Category:Kingdom of Jerusalem, very different to what Judaism says about its own past and future kings, and there is no comparison with Judaism's history, where the Jewish king is the equivalant of the
Jewish Messiah. In fact throughout Jewish history there are families with a claimed lineage that reaches back to King David in order to qualify them for the re-establishment of the Jewish monarchy which is what the Jewish Messiah is -- THE Jewish king, and that's why there is the
List of Messiah claimants#Jewish messiah claimants, see also
Jewish Messiah claimants. The word "messiah" is from the Hebrew mashiach in Hebrew which means "annointed" because when a king was inducted he was first annointed with oil which was poured on his head, usually by a prophet. No one person has any credibilty in this department and if any Jew goes too far in making such open claims he is deemed to be a total lunatic and should be certified, not given categories on Wikipedia.
IZAK
00:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete non-notable, unverifiable, so that even if the article containing this pretender to the throne is kept, we shouldn't be categorizing him according to his singular claims. -
N
00:35, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom.
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22:09, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete I suggested deleting the "Line of succession" partly due to the fact I haven't seen any claim even on Dayan's part to be the king. He is probably a descendant (as are hundreds more), but that doesn't mean he claims to be king (unless I missed something).
DGtal
22:42, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete for above reasons.
Alex Middleton
23:06, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per BHG and nom.
Carlossuarez46
05:02, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete - the category concerns claimants to the throne of David, or perhaps to the northern kingdom after the separation of Judah. Any such claim is inherently unverifiable. Some kind of natability is needed before we can have such a category.
Peterkingiron
22:01, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per nom
Bulldog123
04:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Mortal Kombat Films
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The result of the debate was rename/merge to lowercase f --
Kbdank71
19:54, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
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There are only four films in this category, and little possibility for expansion. The films should be added to the Mortal Kombat template, and the cat should be merged into
Category:Mortal Kombat. But, if kept, it should be renamed to
Category:Mortal Kombat films.
Quuxplusone
20:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Rename:, films that have less sequals have their own category (28 Days Later, I Know What You Did Last Summer, etc.). But it should have the F in films lowercase.
Andrzejbanas
04:19, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment - some film series categories have been deleted in the recent past and there is some sentiment against them, for instance categories for the Stuart Little and Charlotte's Web franchises, the Scary Movie franchise and the Poltergeist films have been deleted. Number of articles in a category or films in a film series isn't a good indicator of whether a category should exist.
Otto4711
14:12, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Strong Keep and Rename and also Restore
Category:Mortal Kombat television series – Necessary for clear navigation and categorization purposes; see
Template:Mortal Kombat series. (I see the Television category was summarily
deleted without the notification of even one
Mortal Kombat WikiProject member. Nice.) The movies and television series are ludicrously far removed from the actual game series. There's absolutely no reason to clutter up the main Mortal Kombat category with them, especially since the categories exist serve that precise reason: to categorize. They're here to keep things organized, not to create a mish-mash of every random facet in the series. There's also absolutely no reason to clutter up the
main Mortal Kombat template with more links. (Are you aware of the
living hell that all video game-related navboxes went through just to get the bare minimum included in the templates? This was the compromise.) Unless you're suggesting that someone creates
List of Mortal Kombat films, this category is perfectly ideal for the navigational purposes that it should be used for.
MarphyBlack
04:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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Alumnae of women's universities and colleges
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The result of the debate was no consensus.
Angus McLellan
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10:16, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Propose renaming
Category:Alumni of New Hall, Cambridge to
Category:Alumnae of New Hall, Cambridge
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Category:Alumni of Newnham College, Cambridge to
Category:Alumnae of Newnham College, Cambridge
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Category:Alumni of St Hilda's College, Oxford to
Category:Alumnae of St Hilda's College, Oxford
- United States
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Category:Barnard College alumni to
Category:Barnard College alumnae
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Category:Bryn Mawr College alumni to
Category:Bryn Mawr College alumnae
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Category:Mary Baldwin College alumni to
Category:Mary Baldwin College alumnae
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Category:Mount Holyoke College alumni to
Category:Mount Holyoke College alumnae
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Category:Radcliffe College alumni to
Category:Radcliffe College alumnae
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Category:Smith College alumni to
Category:Smith College alumnae
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Category:Vassar College alumni to
Category:Vassar College alumnae
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Category:Wellesley College alumni to
Category:Wellesley College alumnae
- Nominator's rationale: Rename, because these are women-only colleges, and hence have alumnae (female) rather than alumni (male). The parent category is
Category:Alumnae of women's universities and colleges, which is correctly named; the sub-categories should be renamed to match. It would be helpful to create a category redirect in each case.
- Note that the UK and the United States categories use different naming conventions:
Category:Alumni by university or college in the United States use "foo alumni" and
Category:Alumni by university in the United Kingdom uses "Alumni of foo". I suggest that any moves to standardise the US and UK conventions should be done in a separate group nomination. --
BrownHairedGirl
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20:06, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Oppose.
Merriam Webster has this on alumni: "Main Entry: alum·nus, Inflected Form(s): plural alum·ni, 1 : one that has attended or has graduated from a particular school, college, or university <a Harvard alumnus> <an alumnus of my college> -- usually used of a man in the sing. but often of men and women in the plural." That last bit tells me we can use alumni to define all students. Failing that, we have to change all to "alumni and alumnae," which is clunky, or to "students" or the probably better "attendees." (Not "graduates," though.) I also follow the statements below about certain institutions having some male attendees, and think that suggests this would be a maintenance problem.--
Mike Selinker
20:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Support "Alumni" is just wrong for all-female circumstances. The Merriam Webster definition is referring to female and male former students together.
Timrollpickering
20:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Support for purposes of naming accuracy. -
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18:38, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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*Support per uses of the English language. —
Scouter
Sig 19:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC) Neutral The parent category is "Alumni" because it contains both sexes; therefore the sub-categories should be similarly named. Also, some of the categories have turned out to not be single-sexed. I do, however, still think that in the female-only categories, "Alumni" is plain wrong. —
Scouter
Sig
14:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Oppose as per Mike Selinker. Also, categories of graduates of co-ed schools are referred to as Alumni of foo, not Alumni/alumnae of foo. Since those categories are referring to both the men and women, I don't think it's unreasonable to leave these as they are. Of course, if anyone wants to nominate everything to change to Graduates of foo, I'll support it. --
Kbdank71
21:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment But "alumni" is the mixed gender plural - I don't see where this "attendees of co-ed schools aren't listed as 'alumni/alumnae of foo'" comes from. The point is that for female only institutions "alumni" is wrong because the group by definition contains no males. "Graduates of foo" is a complete mess - in earlier eras "graduation" had a different meaning from now. Even in the modern era it's often very difficult to tell whether or not someone "graduated" (and "I didn't graduate" can mean anything from not taking out the formal degree to just not bothering to attend the ceremony). Plus there are many institutions that do courses that don't lead to awards (particular vocational but also short courses of interest), whilst some institutions have other awards for which the term "graduation" is never applied - in my own case I took courses at one institution that could be put towards an award, although many didn't, for which the term "graduation" is never used - am I a "graduate" of that insititution or not? (I am, however, definitely an alumnus.)
Timrollpickering
23:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Oppose it is simpler to use the generic. In any case, get Vassar off the list, because it is now co-ed.
DGG
22:27, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment Bryn Mawr should also be removed; males graduate from the post graduate programs at Bryn Mawr and males are included in its alumni category;
Hmains
00:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment Same with Mary Baldwin; males attend, graduate and are alumni.
Hmains
00:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Oppose it appears that some (perhaps many, even all) of these are co-ed to some extent. Even were all female, consistency seems a better plan than monitoring which colleges go co-ed. Another point: if a female graduate changes sexes, he becomes an alumnus of the institution. Are we 100% sure that no-one has ever had a sex change who graduated these colleges? Care to monitor it?
Carlossuarez46
05:08, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Oppose per past discussions. Because "alumni" is used both for mixed gender and male-only former students, the existence of any "alumnae" categories implies that existing "alumni" categories are male-only, and I do not care to see a forest of "Alumnae and alumni" categories rise up down the line.-
choster
18:17, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment - this is ultimately a matter of Latin grammar. "Alumni" is a male form and would be the correct Lation form for a group of men and women. "Alumnae" is potentially a female form, and if its use is well-attested (of which I am no judge), it would be unobjectionable to amend the categories as suggested.
Peterkingiron
22:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Six Feet Under merchandise
Category:Tallest Building in Michigan (year-by-year)
Category:European pool players
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The result of the debate was delete.
Angus McLellan
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14:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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Delete: Created by a noob, this serves no purpose (all people who could be categorized in here are categorized in their actual country instead, and this parent glomming category isn't particularly useful), is largely contraindicated by precedent (see virtually any "...by country" supercat); is malformed (does not actually have the
Category:German pool players, etc., categories in it as subcategories, and has itself as a subcat!), and is being misused (the only use of it so far has been to redundantly overcat articles that are already in a more specific country category; I've reverted all of that). If there is some compelling reason to keep it, then alternatively it should be cleaned up to not be a loop and to contain the Eur. country categories that apply, and have a {{
Notice}} added to it to not put actual players in this category but only in subcategories. —
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17:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Tallest Buildings in Michigan
Category:Proponents of free trade
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The result of the debate was delete.
Angus McLellan
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14:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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Ill-defined, necessarily incomplete and arbitrary. Most economists should be here, from
Adam Smith (who is not) on down; if it is to exist at all.
Septentrionalis
PMAnderson
16:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete. Arbritrary category.
CloudNine
16:40, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete. Free trade has been a dominant economic principle in developed nations for over a century, and even episodes of protectionism (such as in the 1930s) are best viewed as exceptions to the general principle shared even by the protectionists. For the last hundred years or more, the debate is better viewed as being about the extent to which is acceptable to regulate the market; a crude division into proponents and advocates of free trade creates an artificial division in a much more complex series of debates. --
BrownHairedGirl
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17:32, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete; we might as well have
Category:Proponents of democracy. —
SMcCandlish [
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18:03, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete. There may be a good way of categorizing these folks, but this isn't it. There's no objective criterion for inclusion.
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Will Beback
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22:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete, categorization by opinion.
Pavel Vozenilek
21:56, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete per Will Beback & Pavel, there is a special place in deletion hell for categorization by undefinable opinion.
Carlossuarez46
05:11, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Keep - The omission of
Adam Smith is easily repaired. Several of those listed were prominent proponents of free trade at a time when this was a controversial issue. The list accordingly serves a useful purpose.
Peterkingiron
22:05, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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- A selective and annotated list might serve a useful purpose, by noting promiment advocates of free trade from particular eras, but a category will include all proponents of free trade, which currently includes just about all major politicians in Europe and North America. That's not a useful category, because advocacy of free trade is no longer a distinguishing characteristic amongst politicians or economists. --
BrownHairedGirl
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10:40, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Order of the Stick characters
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The result of the debate was keep.
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10:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
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An "Order of the Stick" category has already been deleted, as the presence of significant interlinking within the articles and a template were considered sufficient. If the overall category was considered to be unnecessary, then a sub-category must be equally unnecessary.
Tailkinker
14:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- FYI I reverted and repopulated the category that Tailkinker prematurely depopulated. Don't depopulate a category while it's still active. (Obviously you can depopulate a category that is deleted, but this one hasn't been deleted.)
Dugwiki
16:26, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Keep This is a very valid subcatagory and makes the articles much easier to navigate than explicit links.
Timmccloud
18:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Keep. These articles can't go anywhere else.--
Mike Selinker
20:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete Yes, I removed the category, which was my screw-up - never nominated a category for deletion before. My humblest apologies. The navigation template for the Order of the Stick is more than enough to provide any links required to move directly to the character pages without having to navigate through a category page, plus it can include other pages relevant to the topic, something that the category fails to do. As such the category is redundant. --
Tailkinker
10:32, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Keep Valid use of the category namespace.
EVula //
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05:15, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Primates of the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church
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The result of the debate was delete --
Kbdank71
20:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete - This is redundant with
Category:Metropolitans and Patriarchs of Kiev and all Rus', which uses the titles that are more often applied to these people. The primates category should be deleted accordingly.
Dr. Submillimeter
11:51, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Keep for now This is a tangle - the Patriarchs cat contains people from Early medieval Kievan Rus, a communist-inspired church, and the modern post-independence one. But it is a sub-cat of the Primates category, which seems odd. Primate is a role or function, which may or may not be a title. I don't think either nominator or myself understand the categories sufficiently to abjudicate.
Johnbod
12:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment - Most of the "Primates" hierarchy was created by a disruptive editor who is currently blocked for excessive category creation (see
User Talk:Pastorwayne). He has been deliberately creating categories that are redundant with existing bishop, patriarch, metropolitan, etc. categories (again, see
User Talk:Pastorwayne). I really think that it would be more appropriate to delete the "primate" categories when the term is not in use and when the categories are redundant with existing categories.
Dr. Submillimeter
12:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment: I was aware of the "pastorwayne problem" from these pages, & don't support a separate Primate category when the Primate is always, eg Archbishop of Cape Town. That doesn't mean there should be no primate categories - The Ukrainian Catholic one below seems useful, as there were Heads of the church, who had no common distinguishing title. In this case, where the category you say makes this one redundant contains essentially 3 different churches, and the titles vary, I can't see what the actual situation is from the articles, & you have not demonstrated that you can. Plenty of other Primate categories remain. It is almost never used as a title - that argument cuts no ice with me.
Johnbod
12:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete, for different reasons to those discussed above, but drawing on Johnbod's concerns. The article
Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church shows that the history of this church is too complicated to allow a single category to accommodate all the people who might have claimed the title of "Primate of the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church". I think that this category illustrates rather well one of the dangers of the whole
Category:Primates (religion), that the concept of primate is a bit of a movable feast. In the case of the churches in the Soviet bloc, I think that it might be better to have one general category of primates, with article(s) explaining the complex history. --
BrownHairedGirl
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18:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment The category has now been contracted (by ??) to just 2 members - did it not have more before?- who do seem to represent the first 2 Heads of the UAOC, as I am learning to call it. After that the name of the church changes to
Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Kiev Patriarchy. The fact it is all so confusing is an argument for the category (once made coherent) in my book, not against it. It could be renamed to "Heads of the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church", but I am now clearer in favouring a keep. But the Patriarchs should not be a sub-cat of this, I think.
Johnbod
20:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment - This primate category had three members when I nominated it, but one of the people belonged in
Category:Metropolitans and Patriarchs of Kiev and all Rus', which is a subcategory of this category. Following Wikipedia's general recommendations on categorization (
WP:SUBCAT), I removed the person from the primate category and put him in the metropolitans/patriarchs category. The other two people in this category are also in the metropolitans/patriarchs category and could technically be removed from this category, leaving just the subcategory.
Dr. Submillimeter
22:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church primates
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The result of the debate was no consensus --
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- I'm no expert, but the articles (& some of the external links) use "Head of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church". Some have been Cardinals, but not all. Likewise "Metropolitans" as far as I can see. I would support a rename to
Category:Heads of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church.
Johnbod
12:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment - Three of the people could be called "Major Archbishops of Kiev" or a variant of that name. The fourth person, however, held a similar position but was called a "Metropolitan Archbishop"; the title "Major Archbishop" was not created until after his death. Maybe it would be appropriate to split these people into a couple of archbishop categories?
Dr. Submillimeter
12:15, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- These categories are not about titles, but about functions. The
Archbishop of Canterbury is always called that, & the
Pope likewise. I hope all those recent discussions on primates that I have not participated in were not using these sorts of arguments.
Johnbod
12:16, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- I would agree with that, but as you have explained above, this is not a case where they did all have the same distinguishing title. Also it is not clear if a Major Archbishop/Metropolitan would be ex officio Head of the Church. So keeping it as is,or renaming to "Heads of the ..." seems better.
Johnbod
12:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Primates of Continuing Anglicanism
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The result of the debate was delete --
Kbdank71
20:17, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
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:Propose renaming
Category:Primates of Continuing Anglicanism to
Category:Bishops of Continuing Anglicanism
Nominator's rationale: Rename - These people are generally referred to as "bishops", not "primates". The current category name is confusing and should be changed accordingly.
Dr. Submillimeter
11:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Keep as in the last nom, these are all bishops who have been head of their respecive churhes, under a variety of titles. They qualify as Primates.
Johnbod
11:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment - However, with one exception, these people are generally not referred to as primates. However, they are all referred to as bishops (including the one person who is also referred to as a primate).
WP:COMMONNAME would suggest that we should use "bishop".
Dr. Submillimeter
11:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- "Primate" is a function or role, which may or may not also be a name or title. Naturally they are all bishops as well.
Johnbod
12:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete. As far as I can tell from from the articles, only one of these claims to be a Primate;
Metropolitans and
Presiding Bishops are not the same. The
Free Church of England has a Primus (of which the plural should really be Primi), but they are a Low-Church secession, and the Primus is elected annually. (Also, these are several different secessions; they should not be lumped as they are.)
Septentrionalis
PMAnderson
16:44, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete. This is another illustration of the conceptual problems inherent in attaching a "primate" label to so may heads of a national or regional church across the diverse strands of Christianity. The term "primate" is just one of the terms which may be used to describe such religious leaders, and in this case we have the further complication of different sorts of breakaway Anglican group being lumped together. As well trying to deter
Pastorwayne (
talk ·
contribs) from creating these categories,I think that a systematic review of the
primates categories is now needed; it's not my field, but I am very concerned that it may include far many other posts where the term "primate" is inappropriate. --
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs)
20:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Delete - After the last two "delete" comments, I looked at the subcategories more carefully and discovered that not all the churches are part of the
Continuing Anglican Movement. Some of these churches, such as the
Free Church of England, were established more than a century before the Continuing Anglican Movement. Others appear to be similar but not directly related denominations. Since this category falsely implies that the various denominations are related, it should be deleted.
Dr. Submillimeter
22:28, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- I agree it is all a hopeless muddle.
The main categories
Category:Anglican denominations and the very poorly-named
Category:Anglican churches (to which many people have understandably added their parish church) are in even more of a mess, both an indiscrimate mixture of provinces of the main
Anglican Communion and bodies outside it. (Now sorted out) Since the continuing Anglican Movement seems to generate new splits like a cell under a microscope, I could see a useful role for a category for "Heads of Anglican Churches separated from [or not in communion with] the Anglican Communion", especially as the Churches categories themselves are currently so useless at making this distinction - which as in the nearby Catholic discussion, I think is the most important and informative. This could round up various other groups not included in this one. But I admit my resolve is weakening.
Johnbod
23:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Johnbod as usual makes a lot of sense ... one's resolve does weaken faced with any religious category. I find for instance that
Rowan Williams is not only apparently English by nationality (having been placed in English bishops, despite being very Welsh acc to his article) but in a subcat of the category
Category:Pre-Reformation UK bishops (itself oddly named as the
UK came into existence in 1801). Muddle and error wherever one looks.
-- roundhouse
13:53, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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- If you say so ('Pre-Reformation UK bishops' suggests to me a bishop who was (a) serving in the UK, (b) pre-reformation) - perhaps you will concede that to find
Rowan Williams categorised (via subcats) as an Anglo-Saxon bishop is startling (as is
John Sentamu).
-- roundhouse
17:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment - I did not realize that
Rowan Williams was the current
Archbishop of Canterbury at first, and I can understand why the label "Pre-Reformation" applied to him is confusing (although the label is for the position of the Archbishop of Canterbury and not the actual person). Maybe these categories need to be deleted simply because they are too confusing and somewhat esoteric. Does anyone else have any comments?
Dr. Submillimeter
19:41, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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- This is about a case of mis-categorisation, and merely needs an edit! 22:20, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
- Comment The pre-Reformation UK Bishops are now being discussed
here
Johnbod
00:09, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment - There is a great muddle of churches and denominations (mostly very small) which have broken away from the Anglican / Episcopalian Church over various issues in the past (say) 150 years. There may be some merit in having a category covering all these denominations, and of a sinlge category for their primates, but I doubt there is much point in having a subcategory with one or two items in it for each denomination. However, I do not think there is a means of providing additioanl information on them respectively in category lists. Nevertheless, I am not sure that the title works right.
Peterkingiron
22:20, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Keep These ARE the cats for those who serve as Primates/Presiding Bishops of their respective churches. As said above, it is function even if not the title used (though knowing Anglicanism generally, the title Primate would not be refused). There should also be cats for Bishops of these denominations, too. "Continuing Anglicanism" seems to be applied to these different churches more from outside, not necessarily from within. Even those denom.'s which preceeded this wording are still thought to be part of this "movement."
Pastorwayne
23:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Comment - I would like to see multiple links to external websites that show that these people should be grouped together under the heading "Continuing Anglicanism" and that they are primarily called "primates". Otherwise, I still recommend that this category should be deleted.
Dr. Submillimeter
23:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Biochemicals
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The result of the debate was rename.
the wub
"?!"
10:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Propose renaming
Category:Biochemicals to
Category:Biomolecules
- Nominator's rationale: Rename, All biochemicals are biomolecules, but not vice-versa. Main article for category has always been
Biomolecule. This rename will also bring categorization of biochem articles on English WP in line with WP in several other languages, and allow a much-needed clearout of the overloaded
Category:Biochemistry. See
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biology#Categorization of biomolecule articles for more detail.
Clicketyclack
09:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Rename per nom for consistency with lead article and per explanation of difference between biochemicals and biomolecules.
Bencherlite
10:07, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- no opinion - This was one of the first categories, when the feature was brand new. The first categorization task I gave myself had to do with chemicals and chemistry. We didn't have much in the was of planning back then, everything was done ad-hoc. If since then a more structured hierarchy has been developed, I don't have a problem with the cat being renamed to fit the standard.
Gentgeen
20:33, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Monsho of municipalities in Japan
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The result of the debate was rename
Category:Monsho of municipalities in Japan to
Category:Symbols of municipalities in Japan.
Angus McLellan
(Talk)
14:13, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Propose renaming
Category:Monsho of municipalities in Japan to
Category:Symbols of municipalities in Japan
- Nominator's rationale: Rename, The word "symbol" is now being used in the names of the images (such as
Image:Sendai, Miyagi Symbol.svg as opposed to the former
Image:Monsho of Sendai, Miyagi.svg). Although monshō is technically the correct word, "symbol" works just as well and would make it easier for people to search for the category.
Nameneko
07:28, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Rename per nom for clarity in the English language (this is an English-language encyclopedia!). --
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs)
09:58, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
reply
- Rename per nom, or possibly to
Category:Emblems of municipalities in Japan.
Haddiscoe
12:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Although I can't find the discussion page, it has been brought up that "symbol" would be more appropriate than "emblem", particularly because the definition of
emblem doesn't really match the category's contents, though the two are pretty much used interchangeably on a day to day basis. -
Nameneko
19:53, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Rename per nom. --
MChew
18:02, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Rename per nom. ···
日本穣
? ·
Talk to
Nihon
joe
22:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Rename per nom, or possibly ‹The
template
Category link is being
considered for merging.›
Category:Crests of municipalities in Japan.
Neier
12:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
reply
- Note: This debate has been included in the
list of Japan-related deletions. --
Neier
12:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Tattooed Teenage Alien Fighters from Beverly Hills
Category:Rainbow (TV Series)
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The result of the debate was delete.
Angus McLellan
(Talk)
10:22, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
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-
Category:Rainbow (TV Series) (
|
talk |
history |
links |
watch |
logs)
Delete - minus the improperly categorized articles for performers, the category has the show article and a character subcat. Cat not needed for navigation.
Otto4711
03:51, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Commander in Chief Series
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The result of the debate was delete.
Angus McLellan
(Talk)
10:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
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-
Category:Commander in Chief Series (
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talk |
history |
links |
watch |
logs)
Delete - small category for a cancelled series, unlikely to expand and the material is linked through the articles and navtemplate.
Otto4711
03:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:Boy Meets World
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The result of the debate was delete.
Angus McLellan
(Talk)
10:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
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-
Category:Boy Meets World (
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talk |
history |
links |
watch |
logs)
Delete - the material in the category does not require an eponymous show category to navigate it.
Otto4711
03:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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Category:The Catherine Tate Show
Category:Bookstores of Australia
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The result of the debate was rename
Category:Bookstores of Australia to
Category:Bookshops of Australia.
Angus McLellan
(Talk)
10:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Propose renaming
Category:Bookstores of Australia to
Category:Bookshops of Australia
- Nominator's rationale: Rename, in Commonwealth English, in line with
Category:British bookshops.
Baridiah
02:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Until they wake up in a few hours, Ghits on "Melbourne bookshops"/"bookstores" suggests bookshops by about 3/1.
Johnbod
10:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- I'm Australian, and bookshops is correct here. Until I removed it in anticipation of it becoming redundant, the category had an introductory comment to that effect by a user from Perth.
Baridiah
12:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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- OK, unless others Aussies contradict you, I'll say rename per nom. --
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs)
20:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
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