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The result was delete. Guerillero Parlez Moi 11:49, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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Despite playing 134 mins of professional football over a decade ago, I'm not seeing the depth required for WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. Searches including this one did not yield any decent coverage. Even Nemzeti Sport had nothing useful. I found 2 Q&A articles and will explain why they are not sufficient. Felvidek is not an independent source since it's based on a press release from FC ŠTK 1914 Šamorín, his employer at the time. It also contains no independent analysis of his responses so, as per consensus at footballer AfDs, we wouldn't regard it as significant. Sportolunk is another basic Q&A with no meaningful content from anyone other than Ágh himself, so does not confer notability. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:06, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:05, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep press releases are significant if they are by third party, even if they repeat whhat first party says.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 19:30, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- The bigger concern with the Felvidek source is that it lacks any substantial independent content. Last week, Zoltán Ágh, the newest member of STK Somorja, trained hard. He returned to Somorja after a half-year detour from Sopron is pretty much all that it says about him. Most of the rest is direct quotes from him and consensus at AfD is that Q&As with little independent content do not confer notability. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:35, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- Press releases are not a source for notability. // Timothy :: talk 08:51, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Article fails WP:GNG per nom's detailed source analysis (and yes club press releases on their own players are NOT independent sources regardless of which outlet publishes them). Jogurney ( talk) 14:24, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - Per Ortizesp. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 16:12, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Press releases from clubs about its own players are never, ever independent sources. Alvaldi ( talk) 16:54, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: BLP, Fails GNG and BIO. BEFORE showed promos, database records, nothing that meets SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Above Keeps provides no sources, just a false claim about press releases showing notability, but it is worth noting the best sources Keep votes can produce are just press releases. WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability to avoid abuse per well known core policy ( WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines ( WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV). // Timothy :: talk 19:09, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Well said, better than I was able to say myself. I am honestly stunned that someone can, in good faith, say that this press release from his employer shows notability. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 22:27, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails both WP:SPORTSBASIC and WP:GNG. The argument that press releases count toward SIGCOV is ridiculous, as press releases by definition lack independence, are sometimes not independently fact checked by the third parties who publish them, and are therefore inherently unreliable. 4meter4 ( talk) 03:53, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Guerillero Parlez Moi 11:49, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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- Zoltán Ágh ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Despite playing 134 mins of professional football over a decade ago, I'm not seeing the depth required for WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. Searches including this one did not yield any decent coverage. Even Nemzeti Sport had nothing useful. I found 2 Q&A articles and will explain why they are not sufficient. Felvidek is not an independent source since it's based on a press release from FC ŠTK 1914 Šamorín, his employer at the time. It also contains no independent analysis of his responses so, as per consensus at footballer AfDs, we wouldn't regard it as significant. Sportolunk is another basic Q&A with no meaningful content from anyone other than Ágh himself, so does not confer notability. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:06, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, Hungary, and Slovakia. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 11:07, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 12:43, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 10:05, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep press releases are significant if they are by third party, even if they repeat whhat first party says.-- Ortizesp ( talk) 19:30, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
- The bigger concern with the Felvidek source is that it lacks any substantial independent content. Last week, Zoltán Ágh, the newest member of STK Somorja, trained hard. He returned to Somorja after a half-year detour from Sopron is pretty much all that it says about him. Most of the rest is direct quotes from him and consensus at AfD is that Q&As with little independent content do not confer notability. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 15:35, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- Press releases are not a source for notability. // Timothy :: talk 08:51, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete - Article fails WP:GNG per nom's detailed source analysis (and yes club press releases on their own players are NOT independent sources regardless of which outlet publishes them). Jogurney ( talk) 14:24, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - Per Ortizesp. Thanks, Das osmnezz ( talk) 16:12, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GNG due to lack of significant coverage. Press releases from clubs about its own players are never, ever independent sources. Alvaldi ( talk) 16:54, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete: BLP, Fails GNG and BIO. BEFORE showed promos, database records, nothing that meets SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Above Keeps provides no sources, just a false claim about press releases showing notability, but it is worth noting the best sources Keep votes can produce are just press releases. WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability to avoid abuse per well known core policy ( WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines ( WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV). // Timothy :: talk 19:09, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Well said, better than I was able to say myself. I am honestly stunned that someone can, in good faith, say that this press release from his employer shows notability. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 22:27, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails both WP:SPORTSBASIC and WP:GNG. The argument that press releases count toward SIGCOV is ridiculous, as press releases by definition lack independence, are sometimes not independently fact checked by the third parties who publish them, and are therefore inherently unreliable. 4meter4 ( talk) 03:53, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
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