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The result was Merger without tags since Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit, Canada_convoy_protest#Lawsuits have similar arguments behind them. Note Freedom Convoy... is a redirect so not viable as a target. Editors can discuss the best target without a further relist. No case has been made for why the content cannot be retained as there aren't BLP or CV issues, just that it should not be a standalone. Star Mississippi 11:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Zexi Li ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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Pretty clear
WP:BLP1E as this person is only notable for post-event legalities regarding the
Canada convoy protest. All sources in the article and found in a
WP:BEFORE check are in regards to the protest. Subject has otherwise demonstrated a consistent pattern of
low-profile activity
, while the article has been repeatedly vandalized in
attack-page style. Pinging @
Bueller 007: who initially raised BLP1E concerns. ―
"Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)
03:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Events, Law, and Canada. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 03:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. "Lead plaintiff" in a class-action suit is practically random. Of course, lawyers will name as a lead plaintiff someone with a legally sympathetic case, but that is not a source of notability, and neither is anything else indicated in the article. BD2412 T 03:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Worth a mention on the Freedom Convoy class action lawsuit page. But shouldn't have a dedicated article. Clearly BLP1E (or TOOSOON if you want to call it that). Bueller 007 ( talk) 12:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Selective merge/redirect to
Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit, where the subject is already mentioned, per
Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. I did not find significant coverage in
reliable sources in my searches for sources that were not about the lawsuit.
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#People notable for only one event notes:
A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. Cunard ( talk) 09:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)When the role played by an individual in the event is less significant, and little or no other information is available to use in the writing of a balanced biography, an independent article may not be needed. That person should be covered in an article regarding the event, and the person's name should be redirected to it.
- Comment:
GhostOfDanGurney (
talk ·
contribs),
BD2412 (
talk ·
contribs), and
Bueller 007 (
talk ·
contribs), would you support a selective merge/redirect to
Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit per
Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion and
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#People notable for only one event?
Cunard (
talk)
09:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Admittedly, I don't think that we need a separate article for the class action lawsuit. Canada convoy protest#Lawsuits covers this same lawsuit with about as much detail. A merge of the child article into the parent wouldn't make the parent much more larger than it already is, would prevent/fix any WP:CFORK issues, and is something I had been considering doing WP:BOLDly prior to it being brought up here.
That said, I'm not opposed to a redirect of Zexi Li to Canada convoy protest#Lawsuits, or if there is consensus to keep the child split from the parent, to Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit. Mostly as per WP:CHEAP asI don't think any content on Zexi Li is worth merging over. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 15:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)- Thank you for not being opposed to a redirect. I think the best redirect target for now is Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit, where she is mentioned. If editors conclude that the class action lawsuit topic should not have a standalone article, then I think the best redirect target would be Canada convoy protest#Lawsuits (once her name is mentioned there) as you stated. Cunard ( talk) 05:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There's no notability in being the lead plaintiff in a notable case, and nothing here suggests there is any other basis for notability. I would suggest merging anything pertinent into Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit, but I see nothing worth merging.
- I guess a redirect would be okay, if there's a thought that someone might be searching on the name of the litigant, but that's probably not needed.
TJRC (
talk)
20:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for being okay with a redirect.
This Google News link shows that Zexi Li has given numerous interviews to the media about the
Canada convoy protest.
This article calls her "spokesperson and the face of the lawsuit" against the convoy, so I think her name is a plausible search query. Several reasons from
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#Reasons for not deleting also apply such as "They have a potentially useful page history" (there is useful information about her activism about the Canada convoy that potentially could be merged) and they would "make the creation of duplicate articles less likely" (an article about a lawsuit's spokesperson is duplicate to an article about the lawsuit).
Cunard (
talk)
11:28, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I have to disagree that there is a "useful page history." I'll reiterate that there is absolutely nothing that I would consider merging from this article, so preserving the page history is of zero importance to me. I strongly prefer hard deletion, at which point if people think "Zexi Li" is a plausible search term, a redirect can be created later. Any support for a redirect that I've expressed here should be considered weak. ―
"Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)
14:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with GhostOfDanGurney on the page history. As I said above, although I don't object to the redirect, I see nothing worth merging, so there's no need to retain the page history, which is not potentially useful.
TJRC (
talk)
18:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- The second and fourth paragraphs of Zexi Li#Adult life would meet the due weight policy if merged to Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit. This is why I consider the content and history to be useful and worth preserving. Cunard ( talk) 07:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with GhostOfDanGurney on the page history. As I said above, although I don't object to the redirect, I see nothing worth merging, so there's no need to retain the page history, which is not potentially useful.
TJRC (
talk)
18:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I have to disagree that there is a "useful page history." I'll reiterate that there is absolutely nothing that I would consider merging from this article, so preserving the page history is of zero importance to me. I strongly prefer hard deletion, at which point if people think "Zexi Li" is a plausible search term, a redirect can be created later. Any support for a redirect that I've expressed here should be considered weak. ―
"Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)
14:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for being okay with a redirect.
This Google News link shows that Zexi Li has given numerous interviews to the media about the
Canada convoy protest.
This article calls her "spokesperson and the face of the lawsuit" against the convoy, so I think her name is a plausible search query. Several reasons from
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#Reasons for not deleting also apply such as "They have a potentially useful page history" (there is useful information about her activism about the Canada convoy that potentially could be merged) and they would "make the creation of duplicate articles less likely" (an article about a lawsuit's spokesperson is duplicate to an article about the lawsuit).
Cunard (
talk)
11:28, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting because although there is a consensus that this shouldn't be a standalone article, there are several different target articles suggested here. Can we narrow this down to one to Redirect or Merge to?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I am responding to the relisting comment asking about narrowing this down to one redirect or merge target. I think the best redirect or merge target is
Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit since Zexi Li is already mentioned there and merging content (the second and fourth paragraphs of
Zexi Li#Adult life) there would comply with
the due weight policy.
Cunard (
talk)
08:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree that details on her whereabouts are relevant and I'm not sure how
WP:DUE applies to it.
Canada convoy protest is a far better sourced article than either
Zexi Li or
Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit; merging
Zexi Li is wholly unneeded when
Canada convoy protest already covers everything relevant; her specific whereabouts (paragraph two) is covered by the text
"...on behalf of downtown Ottawa residents over continuous air horn and train horn noise."
and her specific testimony (paragraph four) is not relevant when looked at in the context of the article (it's obvious and well-sourced that Ottawa residents experienced varying levels of distress during the event). - This article should be deleted, with no merge or redirection. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 05:15, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree that details on her whereabouts are relevant and I'm not sure how
WP:DUE applies to it.
Canada convoy protest is a far better sourced article than either
Zexi Li or
Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit; merging
Zexi Li is wholly unneeded when
Canada convoy protest already covers everything relevant; her specific whereabouts (paragraph two) is covered by the text
- Zexi Li is the lead plaintiff of a class action lawsuit against the Canada convoy protest. The second and fourth paragraphs discuss her living in a high-rise building in Ottawa and her testimony about how she and other Ottawa residents were disrupted by the noise generated by the Canada convoy protest. This is the crux of her class action lawsuit against the Canada convoy protest, making the information relevant— due weight—for both Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit and Canada convoy protest#Lawsuits. Cunard ( talk) 05:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect or merge to Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit per WP:BLP1E. I agree with the above that there are select passages that could be merged elsewhere. If there is consensus that Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit should be merged and redirected, then the redirect can be changed to Canada convoy protest#Lawsuits. Yeeno ( talk) 20:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and comments above
Okmrman (
talk)
04:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- According to
this search, this comment is one of 67 AfD comments Okmrman made in the last hour.
Cunard (
talk)
05:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- All with pretty much the same "per nom" rationale, too. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 05:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- According to
this search, this comment is one of 67 AfD comments Okmrman made in the last hour.
Cunard (
talk)
05:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Merger without tags since Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit, Canada_convoy_protest#Lawsuits have similar arguments behind them. Note Freedom Convoy... is a redirect so not viable as a target. Editors can discuss the best target without a further relist. No case has been made for why the content cannot be retained as there aren't BLP or CV issues, just that it should not be a standalone. Star Mississippi 11:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
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- Zexi Li ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Pretty clear
WP:BLP1E as this person is only notable for post-event legalities regarding the
Canada convoy protest. All sources in the article and found in a
WP:BEFORE check are in regards to the protest. Subject has otherwise demonstrated a consistent pattern of
low-profile activity
, while the article has been repeatedly vandalized in
attack-page style. Pinging @
Bueller 007: who initially raised BLP1E concerns. ―
"Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)
03:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Events, Law, and Canada. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 03:11, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. "Lead plaintiff" in a class-action suit is practically random. Of course, lawyers will name as a lead plaintiff someone with a legally sympathetic case, but that is not a source of notability, and neither is anything else indicated in the article. BD2412 T 03:57, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. Worth a mention on the Freedom Convoy class action lawsuit page. But shouldn't have a dedicated article. Clearly BLP1E (or TOOSOON if you want to call it that). Bueller 007 ( talk) 12:21, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
- Selective merge/redirect to
Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit, where the subject is already mentioned, per
Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. I did not find significant coverage in
reliable sources in my searches for sources that were not about the lawsuit.
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#People notable for only one event notes:
A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. Cunard ( talk) 09:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)When the role played by an individual in the event is less significant, and little or no other information is available to use in the writing of a balanced biography, an independent article may not be needed. That person should be covered in an article regarding the event, and the person's name should be redirected to it.
- Comment:
GhostOfDanGurney (
talk ·
contribs),
BD2412 (
talk ·
contribs), and
Bueller 007 (
talk ·
contribs), would you support a selective merge/redirect to
Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit per
Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion and
Wikipedia:Notability (people)#People notable for only one event?
Cunard (
talk)
09:12, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
- Admittedly, I don't think that we need a separate article for the class action lawsuit. Canada convoy protest#Lawsuits covers this same lawsuit with about as much detail. A merge of the child article into the parent wouldn't make the parent much more larger than it already is, would prevent/fix any WP:CFORK issues, and is something I had been considering doing WP:BOLDly prior to it being brought up here.
That said, I'm not opposed to a redirect of Zexi Li to Canada convoy protest#Lawsuits, or if there is consensus to keep the child split from the parent, to Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit. Mostly as per WP:CHEAP asI don't think any content on Zexi Li is worth merging over. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 15:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)- Thank you for not being opposed to a redirect. I think the best redirect target for now is Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit, where she is mentioned. If editors conclude that the class action lawsuit topic should not have a standalone article, then I think the best redirect target would be Canada convoy protest#Lawsuits (once her name is mentioned there) as you stated. Cunard ( talk) 05:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
- Delete. There's no notability in being the lead plaintiff in a notable case, and nothing here suggests there is any other basis for notability. I would suggest merging anything pertinent into Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit, but I see nothing worth merging.
- I guess a redirect would be okay, if there's a thought that someone might be searching on the name of the litigant, but that's probably not needed.
TJRC (
talk)
20:11, 1 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for being okay with a redirect.
This Google News link shows that Zexi Li has given numerous interviews to the media about the
Canada convoy protest.
This article calls her "spokesperson and the face of the lawsuit" against the convoy, so I think her name is a plausible search query. Several reasons from
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#Reasons for not deleting also apply such as "They have a potentially useful page history" (there is useful information about her activism about the Canada convoy that potentially could be merged) and they would "make the creation of duplicate articles less likely" (an article about a lawsuit's spokesperson is duplicate to an article about the lawsuit).
Cunard (
talk)
11:28, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I have to disagree that there is a "useful page history." I'll reiterate that there is absolutely nothing that I would consider merging from this article, so preserving the page history is of zero importance to me. I strongly prefer hard deletion, at which point if people think "Zexi Li" is a plausible search term, a redirect can be created later. Any support for a redirect that I've expressed here should be considered weak. ―
"Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)
14:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with GhostOfDanGurney on the page history. As I said above, although I don't object to the redirect, I see nothing worth merging, so there's no need to retain the page history, which is not potentially useful.
TJRC (
talk)
18:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- The second and fourth paragraphs of Zexi Li#Adult life would meet the due weight policy if merged to Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit. This is why I consider the content and history to be useful and worth preserving. Cunard ( talk) 07:28, 3 May 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with GhostOfDanGurney on the page history. As I said above, although I don't object to the redirect, I see nothing worth merging, so there's no need to retain the page history, which is not potentially useful.
TJRC (
talk)
18:36, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, but I have to disagree that there is a "useful page history." I'll reiterate that there is absolutely nothing that I would consider merging from this article, so preserving the page history is of zero importance to me. I strongly prefer hard deletion, at which point if people think "Zexi Li" is a plausible search term, a redirect can be created later. Any support for a redirect that I've expressed here should be considered weak. ―
"Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)
14:39, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for being okay with a redirect.
This Google News link shows that Zexi Li has given numerous interviews to the media about the
Canada convoy protest.
This article calls her "spokesperson and the face of the lawsuit" against the convoy, so I think her name is a plausible search query. Several reasons from
Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion#Reasons for not deleting also apply such as "They have a potentially useful page history" (there is useful information about her activism about the Canada convoy that potentially could be merged) and they would "make the creation of duplicate articles less likely" (an article about a lawsuit's spokesperson is duplicate to an article about the lawsuit).
Cunard (
talk)
11:28, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting because although there is a consensus that this shouldn't be a standalone article, there are several different target articles suggested here. Can we narrow this down to one to Redirect or Merge to?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:12, 5 May 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I am responding to the relisting comment asking about narrowing this down to one redirect or merge target. I think the best redirect or merge target is
Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit since Zexi Li is already mentioned there and merging content (the second and fourth paragraphs of
Zexi Li#Adult life) there would comply with
the due weight policy.
Cunard (
talk)
08:19, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree that details on her whereabouts are relevant and I'm not sure how
WP:DUE applies to it.
Canada convoy protest is a far better sourced article than either
Zexi Li or
Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit; merging
Zexi Li is wholly unneeded when
Canada convoy protest already covers everything relevant; her specific whereabouts (paragraph two) is covered by the text
"...on behalf of downtown Ottawa residents over continuous air horn and train horn noise."
and her specific testimony (paragraph four) is not relevant when looked at in the context of the article (it's obvious and well-sourced that Ottawa residents experienced varying levels of distress during the event). - This article should be deleted, with no merge or redirection. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 05:15, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- I disagree that details on her whereabouts are relevant and I'm not sure how
WP:DUE applies to it.
Canada convoy protest is a far better sourced article than either
Zexi Li or
Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit; merging
Zexi Li is wholly unneeded when
Canada convoy protest already covers everything relevant; her specific whereabouts (paragraph two) is covered by the text
- Zexi Li is the lead plaintiff of a class action lawsuit against the Canada convoy protest. The second and fourth paragraphs discuss her living in a high-rise building in Ottawa and her testimony about how she and other Ottawa residents were disrupted by the noise generated by the Canada convoy protest. This is the crux of her class action lawsuit against the Canada convoy protest, making the information relevant— due weight—for both Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit and Canada convoy protest#Lawsuits. Cunard ( talk) 05:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect or merge to Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit per WP:BLP1E. I agree with the above that there are select passages that could be merged elsewhere. If there is consensus that Canada convoy protest class action lawsuit should be merged and redirected, then the redirect can be changed to Canada convoy protest#Lawsuits. Yeeno ( talk) 20:16, 12 May 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and comments above
Okmrman (
talk)
04:27, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- According to
this search, this comment is one of 67 AfD comments Okmrman made in the last hour.
Cunard (
talk)
05:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- All with pretty much the same "per nom" rationale, too. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 05:19, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- According to
this search, this comment is one of 67 AfD comments Okmrman made in the last hour.
Cunard (
talk)
05:06, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.