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The result was keep. This is a challenging one with a good basis on which to presume sourcing, but language, sourcing access issue being a major challenge. Given the presumption and the actual one identified makes this a keep even if sufficient sourcing hasn't yet been added. Star Mississippi 14:13, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Zahir Shah (actor)
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All of the sources are about his death. Fails WP:GNG. Kadı Message 21:18, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
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- Keep. per WP:NACTOR. The subject appeared in at least 3 notable films, indicating a likely but lost press coverage. Insight 3 ( talk) 06:50, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Interesting: @
Insight 3, you mention
likely but lost coverage
– what does that mean for us? If sufficient sources existed, but are gone beyond hope of rediscovering, how would that be interpreted? I mean, I am tempted to follow your assessment that he is notable, but am unsure how to "prove" it since I can't find sources either. -- LordPeterII ( talk) 20:16, 11 August 2022 (UTC)- I mean, if the subject worked in over 600 films with at least 3 of them notable (and there might be more), then most probably he would have been mentioned in the local film magazines and newspapers from 1980s and 1990s. But unfortunately Urdu or Punjabi film sources have not been digitally preserved like English, hence we don't see them online. Insight 3 ( talk) 04:30, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to consider the likelihood that while this actor might have been in some notable films, reliable sources do not exist that can verify this fact.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:26, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Comment. Found one Urdu source: Daily Pakistan. Insight 3 ( talk) 17:03, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as per User:Insight 3, quite notable actor from past known for his villainous roles. Muneebll ( talk) 07:26, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per User:Insight 3. KSAWikipedian ( talk) 17:09, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
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The result was keep. This is a challenging one with a good basis on which to presume sourcing, but language, sourcing access issue being a major challenge. Given the presumption and the actual one identified makes this a keep even if sufficient sourcing hasn't yet been added. Star Mississippi 14:13, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Zahir Shah (actor)
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All of the sources are about his death. Fails WP:GNG. Kadı Message 21:18, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Pakistan, and Punjab. Kadı Message 21:18, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. per WP:NACTOR. The subject appeared in at least 3 notable films, indicating a likely but lost press coverage. Insight 3 ( talk) 06:50, 7 August 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Interesting: @
Insight 3, you mention
likely but lost coverage
– what does that mean for us? If sufficient sources existed, but are gone beyond hope of rediscovering, how would that be interpreted? I mean, I am tempted to follow your assessment that he is notable, but am unsure how to "prove" it since I can't find sources either. -- LordPeterII ( talk) 20:16, 11 August 2022 (UTC)- I mean, if the subject worked in over 600 films with at least 3 of them notable (and there might be more), then most probably he would have been mentioned in the local film magazines and newspapers from 1980s and 1990s. But unfortunately Urdu or Punjabi film sources have not been digitally preserved like English, hence we don't see them online. Insight 3 ( talk) 04:30, 12 August 2022 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting to consider the likelihood that while this actor might have been in some notable films, reliable sources do not exist that can verify this fact.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:26, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
Comment. Found one Urdu source: Daily Pakistan. Insight 3 ( talk) 17:03, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep as per User:Insight 3, quite notable actor from past known for his villainous roles. Muneebll ( talk) 07:26, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
- Keep per User:Insight 3. KSAWikipedian ( talk) 17:09, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
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