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The result was delete per WP:SNOW. The level of grasping at straws trying to find something that would qualify as a source tells me that there are no independent reliable sources to cite, so I'm going to cut this off here. — C.Fred ( talk) 20:55, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
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Fails WP:MUSICBIO. I can't find a single reliable source that covers this topic. Sources in the article include Soundcloud, YouTube, and Instagram. – bradv 🍁 20:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete: Definitely fails MUSICBIO and GNG. Number of plays on streaming services and/or number of followers on social media does not help here. Only comprehensive coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources constitutes notability in a Wikipedia context. Waggie ( talk) 20:36, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- This is an atrocious article created by someone who shows no respect for WP:RS, WP:N, or the very idea of collaborative editing. Whether something distributed by Empire Distribution is notable to begin with is a huge question mark, and in this case it's not even verified. The Empire website sells his t-shirts, and I doubt that's a factor in WP:NBAND. Delete this: there are zero reliable sources. Even for hip-hop, where there are a ton of lousy websites just re-sharing videos and songs, this is exceptional. Drmies ( talk) 21:19, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. I couldn't find anything to support WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG. Schazjmd (talk) 21:28, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:GNG and WP:PROMO. This person could merit an article one day but not now. MarnetteD| Talk 21:32, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete I originally CSDed this article under A7 due to the complete lack of reliable sourcing, pretty clear WP:PROMO that does little more than serve as a free webhost for links to the artist's SounCloud account. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 21:41, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - Clearly fails WP:GNG. Jdcomix ( talk) 21:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- The sources in here are relevant and credible because they come from the musician's personal social media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Der under Smurf ( talk • contribs) 21:55, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- @ Der under Smurf: That makes them self-published sources, which are of limited reliability in articles. It is implicit that when the nominator mentioned sources, they were referring to sources that are independent of the subject of the article. — C.Fred ( talk) 21:58, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- ( edit conflict) Der under Smurf, that's not how this works. Articles must be based on what reliable sources say about the subject, and the information in the article must be verifiable. Articles that do not meet our standards for inclusion, such as this one, are deleted. – bradv 🍁 21:58, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
I understand that that could be self publiched soucres but wouldent autobiographies be considered as self-published sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Der under Smurf ( talk • contribs) 22:00, 21 October 2019 (UTC) and what did you do with my Childhood Dreams page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Der under Smurf ( talk • contribs) 22:03, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- None of them are "your pages", they are entries into an encyclopedia. Autobiographies and interviews can be used as reliable sources for content in articles but don't count towards WP:GNG. This is not a place to promotion or to write fanpages. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 22:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Zero third-party reliable sources to support WP:MUSIC. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:06, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- If for exampel
Ariana Grande annouced the releace of a new album and she annouced it on her social media and hypothetically speaking no news, media outlet or some realabel source would pick that up. Would an Wikipedia editer be alowed to use the
Instagrame or
Twitter post or any of her social media to use as a source?--
Der under Smurf (
talk)
22:40, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Except the media
does pick that stuff up and we would use an actual source instead of social media and Ariana Grande's notability is already established, which Yxngxr1's is not. Again, the biggest part is
WP:GNG, and the fact that not a single
reliable source on Yxngxr1 is pretty damning.
GPL93 (
talk)
23:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Why would we do that? Sure, we might accept that, but why? We should deal in facts, not announcements. And your guy is no Ariane Grande. Drmies ( talk) 23:15, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Except the media
does pick that stuff up and we would use an actual source instead of social media and Ariana Grande's notability is already established, which Yxngxr1's is not. Again, the biggest part is
WP:GNG, and the fact that not a single
reliable source on Yxngxr1 is pretty damning.
GPL93 (
talk)
23:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm not comparing him to Ariana Grande, but hypothetically speaking if no meida outlet wrote an article about it, would social media be accepted as a source?-- Der under Smurf ( talk) 10:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC) Btw, is spotify a reliable source? Mean for the number of plays on a song or to quote somebody's spotify bio.-- Der under Smurf ( talk) 10:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
- Stop it with the hypotheticals, we don't live in a world where media doesn't cover the music industry. Spotify is a self-published source so its not reliable. Also note that being famous and notability are not the same thing. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 12:02, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
And is Genius_(website) a soucre that I can use on wikipedia.-- Der under Smurf ( talk) 20:26, 22 October 2019 (UTC) And you haven't answered my question, hypothetically speaking if no meida outlet wrote an article about it, would social media be accepted as a source?-- Der under Smurf ( talk) 20:27, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
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The result was delete per WP:SNOW. The level of grasping at straws trying to find something that would qualify as a source tells me that there are no independent reliable sources to cite, so I'm going to cut this off here. — C.Fred ( talk) 20:55, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
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Fails WP:MUSICBIO. I can't find a single reliable source that covers this topic. Sources in the article include Soundcloud, YouTube, and Instagram. – bradv 🍁 20:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 20:19, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete: Definitely fails MUSICBIO and GNG. Number of plays on streaming services and/or number of followers on social media does not help here. Only comprehensive coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources constitutes notability in a Wikipedia context. Waggie ( talk) 20:36, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- This is an atrocious article created by someone who shows no respect for WP:RS, WP:N, or the very idea of collaborative editing. Whether something distributed by Empire Distribution is notable to begin with is a huge question mark, and in this case it's not even verified. The Empire website sells his t-shirts, and I doubt that's a factor in WP:NBAND. Delete this: there are zero reliable sources. Even for hip-hop, where there are a ton of lousy websites just re-sharing videos and songs, this is exceptional. Drmies ( talk) 21:19, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. I couldn't find anything to support WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG. Schazjmd (talk) 21:28, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:GNG and WP:PROMO. This person could merit an article one day but not now. MarnetteD| Talk 21:32, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete I originally CSDed this article under A7 due to the complete lack of reliable sourcing, pretty clear WP:PROMO that does little more than serve as a free webhost for links to the artist's SounCloud account. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 21:41, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete - Clearly fails WP:GNG. Jdcomix ( talk) 21:44, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- The sources in here are relevant and credible because they come from the musician's personal social media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Der under Smurf ( talk • contribs) 21:55, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- @ Der under Smurf: That makes them self-published sources, which are of limited reliability in articles. It is implicit that when the nominator mentioned sources, they were referring to sources that are independent of the subject of the article. — C.Fred ( talk) 21:58, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- ( edit conflict) Der under Smurf, that's not how this works. Articles must be based on what reliable sources say about the subject, and the information in the article must be verifiable. Articles that do not meet our standards for inclusion, such as this one, are deleted. – bradv 🍁 21:58, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
I understand that that could be self publiched soucres but wouldent autobiographies be considered as self-published sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Der under Smurf ( talk • contribs) 22:00, 21 October 2019 (UTC) and what did you do with my Childhood Dreams page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Der under Smurf ( talk • contribs) 22:03, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- None of them are "your pages", they are entries into an encyclopedia. Autobiographies and interviews can be used as reliable sources for content in articles but don't count towards WP:GNG. This is not a place to promotion or to write fanpages. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 22:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Zero third-party reliable sources to support WP:MUSIC. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:06, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- If for exampel
Ariana Grande annouced the releace of a new album and she annouced it on her social media and hypothetically speaking no news, media outlet or some realabel source would pick that up. Would an Wikipedia editer be alowed to use the
Instagrame or
Twitter post or any of her social media to use as a source?--
Der under Smurf (
talk)
22:40, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Except the media
does pick that stuff up and we would use an actual source instead of social media and Ariana Grande's notability is already established, which Yxngxr1's is not. Again, the biggest part is
WP:GNG, and the fact that not a single
reliable source on Yxngxr1 is pretty damning.
GPL93 (
talk)
23:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Why would we do that? Sure, we might accept that, but why? We should deal in facts, not announcements. And your guy is no Ariane Grande. Drmies ( talk) 23:15, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
- Except the media
does pick that stuff up and we would use an actual source instead of social media and Ariana Grande's notability is already established, which Yxngxr1's is not. Again, the biggest part is
WP:GNG, and the fact that not a single
reliable source on Yxngxr1 is pretty damning.
GPL93 (
talk)
23:14, 21 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm not comparing him to Ariana Grande, but hypothetically speaking if no meida outlet wrote an article about it, would social media be accepted as a source?-- Der under Smurf ( talk) 10:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC) Btw, is spotify a reliable source? Mean for the number of plays on a song or to quote somebody's spotify bio.-- Der under Smurf ( talk) 10:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
- Stop it with the hypotheticals, we don't live in a world where media doesn't cover the music industry. Spotify is a self-published source so its not reliable. Also note that being famous and notability are not the same thing. Best, GPL93 ( talk) 12:02, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
And is Genius_(website) a soucre that I can use on wikipedia.-- Der under Smurf ( talk) 20:26, 22 October 2019 (UTC) And you haven't answered my question, hypothetically speaking if no meida outlet wrote an article about it, would social media be accepted as a source?-- Der under Smurf ( talk) 20:27, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
- The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.