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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) -- Dane2007 talk 02:13, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
Yuri Zhukov (historian)
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Lack of notability. While one can find a couple publications about this person, this is insufficient to establish notability. My very best wishes ( talk) 21:59, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
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- Userfy I'm a big proponent of WP:REALPROBLEM. I'd like to have the closer move this wreck into my userspace where I can work on it on my own time. I'm pretty sure Zhukov is notable but this shouldn't stay in wiki as-is and I can't commit to fixing it immediately. Chris Troutman ( talk) 19:38, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
- Userfy or weak keep. He does seem to be known, even in English-language sources, as a Stalin apologist; I just added some sources to the article saying so: Special:Diff/737585109. I think, on that basis, he may well pass WP:GNG, but troutman's offer to userfy and clean it up seems a good one to me. — David Eppstein ( talk) 20:02, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. The references David just added, and а few more from ru-wiki ( [1] [2] [3]), suggest he appears in the press enough to satisify the GNG (albeit for dubious reasons). I don't see anything in the article problematic enough to justify risking it getting lost in userspace (with all due respect to Chris troutman}. Joe Roe ( talk) 21:59, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Delete(as a nominator) per WP:GNG - I do not think that mentioning him in a few sources can be described as significant coverage. My very best wishes ( talk) 22:24, 3 September 2016 (UTC)- Note that as nominator you have already been presumed to favour deletion. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:59, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
- Not at all. I would easily switch to "keep" if others convinced me that the page should be kept. Actually, I even included a couple of Russian language sources about the person during this AfD
[4], which is an argument in favor of his notability and works against me. But the page still looks like
WP:Promotion for someone familiar with the subject (note that he is proud to be a Stalinist and to be described as such). Actually, I think this page was created by Zhukov himself or by someone close to him, but digging this out would be waste of time.
My very best wishes (
talk) 17:54, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
- Struck duplicate !vote from nominator; the nomination is considered as your !vote. However, feel free to comment all you'd like. North America 1000 01:33, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
- Not at all. I would easily switch to "keep" if others convinced me that the page should be kept. Actually, I even included a couple of Russian language sources about the person during this AfD
[4], which is an argument in favor of his notability and works against me. But the page still looks like
WP:Promotion for someone familiar with the subject (note that he is proud to be a Stalinist and to be described as such). Actually, I think this page was created by Zhukov himself or by someone close to him, but digging this out would be waste of time.
My very best wishes (
talk) 17:54, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep at worst userify: what he has produced is a very substantial body of work. Of course I have no means of judging its merits. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:33, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- I assume you read his books? A substantial body of work? Do you mean his "Handbook of Stalinist"? My very best wishes ( talk) 02:48, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
- Comment Article creator blanked most of the text of the article, which I have now reverted. While it could be interpreted as a request for deletion by author, it looks more like sour grapes, so I will not move for CSD G7 and instead let this AfD continue on to conclusion. Richarddev ( talk) 19:41, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Richarddev has left this identical comment in multiple irrelevant AfDs. There are no reversions of page-blanking in his recent contributions. — David Eppstein ( talk) 19:55, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep -- somewhat noted as a Stalin apologist. I believe that the improved article can be kept. K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:41, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep Notable as a Stalin apologist, has enough sources to pass GNG. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 16:35, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
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The result was keep. ( non-admin closure) -- Dane2007 talk 02:13, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
Yuri Zhukov (historian)
- Yuri Zhukov (historian) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
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Lack of notability. While one can find a couple publications about this person, this is insufficient to establish notability. My very best wishes ( talk) 21:59, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 14:19, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 14:19, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 14:19, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 14:19, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga ( talk • mail) 14:19, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
- Userfy I'm a big proponent of WP:REALPROBLEM. I'd like to have the closer move this wreck into my userspace where I can work on it on my own time. I'm pretty sure Zhukov is notable but this shouldn't stay in wiki as-is and I can't commit to fixing it immediately. Chris Troutman ( talk) 19:38, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
- Userfy or weak keep. He does seem to be known, even in English-language sources, as a Stalin apologist; I just added some sources to the article saying so: Special:Diff/737585109. I think, on that basis, he may well pass WP:GNG, but troutman's offer to userfy and clean it up seems a good one to me. — David Eppstein ( talk) 20:02, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep. The references David just added, and а few more from ru-wiki ( [1] [2] [3]), suggest he appears in the press enough to satisify the GNG (albeit for dubious reasons). I don't see anything in the article problematic enough to justify risking it getting lost in userspace (with all due respect to Chris troutman}. Joe Roe ( talk) 21:59, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
Delete(as a nominator) per WP:GNG - I do not think that mentioning him in a few sources can be described as significant coverage. My very best wishes ( talk) 22:24, 3 September 2016 (UTC)- Note that as nominator you have already been presumed to favour deletion. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:59, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
- Not at all. I would easily switch to "keep" if others convinced me that the page should be kept. Actually, I even included a couple of Russian language sources about the person during this AfD
[4], which is an argument in favor of his notability and works against me. But the page still looks like
WP:Promotion for someone familiar with the subject (note that he is proud to be a Stalinist and to be described as such). Actually, I think this page was created by Zhukov himself or by someone close to him, but digging this out would be waste of time.
My very best wishes (
talk) 17:54, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
- Struck duplicate !vote from nominator; the nomination is considered as your !vote. However, feel free to comment all you'd like. North America 1000 01:33, 10 September 2016 (UTC)
- Not at all. I would easily switch to "keep" if others convinced me that the page should be kept. Actually, I even included a couple of Russian language sources about the person during this AfD
[4], which is an argument in favor of his notability and works against me. But the page still looks like
WP:Promotion for someone familiar with the subject (note that he is proud to be a Stalinist and to be described as such). Actually, I think this page was created by Zhukov himself or by someone close to him, but digging this out would be waste of time.
My very best wishes (
talk) 17:54, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep at worst userify: what he has produced is a very substantial body of work. Of course I have no means of judging its merits. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:33, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- I assume you read his books? A substantial body of work? Do you mean his "Handbook of Stalinist"? My very best wishes ( talk) 02:48, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
- Comment Article creator blanked most of the text of the article, which I have now reverted. While it could be interpreted as a request for deletion by author, it looks more like sour grapes, so I will not move for CSD G7 and instead let this AfD continue on to conclusion. Richarddev ( talk) 19:41, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Richarddev has left this identical comment in multiple irrelevant AfDs. There are no reversions of page-blanking in his recent contributions. — David Eppstein ( talk) 19:55, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep -- somewhat noted as a Stalin apologist. I believe that the improved article can be kept. K.e.coffman ( talk) 03:41, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
- Keep Notable as a Stalin apologist, has enough sources to pass GNG. ~ EDDY ( talk/ contribs)~ 16:35, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
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