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The result was Delete. — CactusWriter (talk) 17:55, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
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Boilerplate rationale adapted from my previous AfDs of similar photographer articles (such as Keizaburō Saeki), which itself was largely borrowed from Cckerberos at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hideki Kasai. Keizaburō Saeki, Hideki Kasai, and this currently-nominated article are all identical bot-created articles. I have nominated several others for deletion, but have improved and de-orphaned quite a few more when sources have been available.
To quote Cckerberos: "This article is a generic stub, generated by a bot in 2007. It makes no specific claim to notability; it appears that similar stubs were created for every photographer listed in 328 Outstanding Japanese Photographers, all with the format "Name (years) is a renowned Japanese photographer" (compare the nominated article with Gen Ōtsuka, for example). Tokyo Metropolitan Museum of Photography states that the sole criteria for inclusion in the book was to have a single photograph in the museum's permanent collection at the time the book was published. That doesn't seem to meet WP:CREATIVE."
In addition to Cckerberos's excellent commentary, I'll note that I've done as thorough a WP:BEFORE check as possible for an English-speaker: Google searches of both the English and Japanese order of the English transliteration of his name. None of the English transliterations turned up anything of use. He does not appear in the reasonably thorough The History of Japanese Photography.
I have also checked his Japanese name, but I didn't find anything of substance. The Japanese Wikipedia has no article about him, so there are no sources to be borrowed from it. I searched his Japanese name there and found nothing.
In the absence of reliable sources, we cannot verify that this person is notable, so the article, like many of the previous bot-generated photographers before it, should be deleted.
Courtesy ping to Hoary, who is knowledgeable on the topic of Japanese photographers, and whose commentary on these AfDs is invaluable to me, especially when it causes me to alter my opinion. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 23:29, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
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- Delete: The "328" book says almost nothing about him. (The page devoted to him is mostly blank.) It's unlikely that much will have been discovered about him in the two decades since the book was compiled. -- Hoary ( talk) 02:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete I trust Hoary's assessment. If he died during the war, his oeuvre would presumably be in the public domain and we could fill an article up with sourced commentary on the photos (similarly to what I've been doing with, say, Omina no Chichihaha), but if we haven't been able to do that until now then we probably will never do it. Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 06:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete maybe he'll be back one day when someone digitizes some sources, but for ow there is nothing to be found online. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 06:32, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete The article isn't backed up with a notable source. Barca ( talk) 22:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Not fulfill wikipedia notability criteria. Zinzoo01 ( talk) 09:21, 25 July 2019 (UTC)— Zinzoo01 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Delete - The article does not pass notability. - MA Javadi ( talk) 20:27, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete the article because it's not notable itself. Forest90 ( talk) 17:19, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Delete. — CactusWriter (talk) 17:55, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
[Hide this box] New to Articles for deletion (AfD)? Read these primers!
- Yonetarō Murata ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Boilerplate rationale adapted from my previous AfDs of similar photographer articles (such as Keizaburō Saeki), which itself was largely borrowed from Cckerberos at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hideki Kasai. Keizaburō Saeki, Hideki Kasai, and this currently-nominated article are all identical bot-created articles. I have nominated several others for deletion, but have improved and de-orphaned quite a few more when sources have been available.
To quote Cckerberos: "This article is a generic stub, generated by a bot in 2007. It makes no specific claim to notability; it appears that similar stubs were created for every photographer listed in 328 Outstanding Japanese Photographers, all with the format "Name (years) is a renowned Japanese photographer" (compare the nominated article with Gen Ōtsuka, for example). Tokyo Metropolitan Museum of Photography states that the sole criteria for inclusion in the book was to have a single photograph in the museum's permanent collection at the time the book was published. That doesn't seem to meet WP:CREATIVE."
In addition to Cckerberos's excellent commentary, I'll note that I've done as thorough a WP:BEFORE check as possible for an English-speaker: Google searches of both the English and Japanese order of the English transliteration of his name. None of the English transliterations turned up anything of use. He does not appear in the reasonably thorough The History of Japanese Photography.
I have also checked his Japanese name, but I didn't find anything of substance. The Japanese Wikipedia has no article about him, so there are no sources to be borrowed from it. I searched his Japanese name there and found nothing.
In the absence of reliable sources, we cannot verify that this person is notable, so the article, like many of the previous bot-generated photographers before it, should be deleted.
Courtesy ping to Hoary, who is knowledgeable on the topic of Japanese photographers, and whose commentary on these AfDs is invaluable to me, especially when it causes me to alter my opinion. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 23:29, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 23:29, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 23:29, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. ♠ PMC♠ (talk) 23:29, 22 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete: The "328" book says almost nothing about him. (The page devoted to him is mostly blank.) It's unlikely that much will have been discovered about him in the two decades since the book was compiled. -- Hoary ( talk) 02:40, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete I trust Hoary's assessment. If he died during the war, his oeuvre would presumably be in the public domain and we could fill an article up with sourced commentary on the photos (similarly to what I've been doing with, say, Omina no Chichihaha), but if we haven't been able to do that until now then we probably will never do it. Hijiri 88 ( 聖 やや) 06:29, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete maybe he'll be back one day when someone digitizes some sources, but for ow there is nothing to be found online. ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 06:32, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete The article isn't backed up with a notable source. Barca ( talk) 22:15, 23 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete Not fulfill wikipedia notability criteria. Zinzoo01 ( talk) 09:21, 25 July 2019 (UTC)— Zinzoo01 ( talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Delete - The article does not pass notability. - MA Javadi ( talk) 20:27, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
- Delete the article because it's not notable itself. Forest90 ( talk) 17:19, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.