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The result was no consensus. Daniel ( talk) 01:14, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
Yarah Bravo
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An apparent promotion attempt for singer/poet whose work is largely in the form of guest appearances for others, while her own releases have not gained reliable notice beyond the standard streaming and retail services. The list of "Press Quotes" at the bottom of the article is revealing. For most I cannot find the citations requested by previous editors (e.g. a search at mtv.com brings up neither her nor the quote about her). The quote from BBC is real, but it refers to an appearance on someone else's album [1]. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 15:43, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
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Spiderone
(Talk to Spider)
16:05, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- I was the one, who created this article 7 years ago. First of all – I'd like to make you sure that I have never been affiliated with Yarah Bravo. Back to 2005, I was a fan of One Self – a collaboration of
DJ Vadim,
Blurum13 and Yarah Bravo – and their hit Bluebird. That's why, I had decided to create this article when Yarah Bravo released her second album – Love Is The Movement. She was the only member of One Self, who didn't have a personal wiki page and I thought that's unfair. For the press quotes, I took them from
her old official web, but I also did't find the original sources. My guess – those quotes could have appeared at paper magazines or on TV. Back to 2005-2010, the internet wasn't so popular and common. If the quotes are an issue, I would love to ask delete them and leave the article.
Gubaidulin (
talk)
21:10, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- I have deleted the press quotes. They weren't what we call "encyclopedic", i.e. a natural part of a the kind of short biography Wikipedia tries to write; I think the article you created is better without them. / Julle ( talk) 08:37, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- I was the one, who created this article 7 years ago. First of all – I'd like to make you sure that I have never been affiliated with Yarah Bravo. Back to 2005, I was a fan of One Self – a collaboration of
DJ Vadim,
Blurum13 and Yarah Bravo – and their hit Bluebird. That's why, I had decided to create this article when Yarah Bravo released her second album – Love Is The Movement. She was the only member of One Self, who didn't have a personal wiki page and I thought that's unfair. For the press quotes, I took them from
her old official web, but I also did't find the original sources. My guess – those quotes could have appeared at paper magazines or on TV. Back to 2005-2010, the internet wasn't so popular and common. If the quotes are an issue, I would love to ask delete them and leave the article.
Gubaidulin (
talk)
21:10, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Not my musical area, so I can't contexutalise the artist or what I've found, but I found enough in the Swedish news archives to convince me that she belongs here. I've added a couple of references to major Swedish media. / Julle ( talk) 00:46, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- Based on what I've read now, at least Swedish media seems to talk about her and her music in her own right, not just because of appearances elsewhere. / Julle ( talk) 00:48, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- I removed the press quotes, which weren't very encyclopedic. / Julle ( talk) 00:49, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - Following addition of Swedish media sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suriname0 ( talk • contribs) 03:33, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:20, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:20, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment from Nominator - I don't have to look at Ms. Bravo's article ever again so I won't fight the eventual consensus, but I strongly suggest considering whether the sources recently added (mostly by Julie above) are reliable and significant. The Swedish interviews might help, but Discogs and MusicBrainz do not. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 16:37, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- Any particular reason why you'd want to question these sources? The fairly long profile in Sydsvenskan is not just an interview, and Sydsvenskan is the major newspaper in southern Sweden. The TV4 piece – when she was nominated for an award – is shorter, but long enough on its own, and not an interview at all. / Julle ( talk) 16:57, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To allow for greater scrutiny and discussion on the discovered sources to help reach consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bungle ( talk • contribs) 20:57, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: To allow for greater scrutiny and discussion on the discovered sources to help reach consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bungle ( talk • contribs) 20:57, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - Artist is definitely notable, but more sources need to be added to the article. Kevin19781 ( talk) 01:17, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Please provide more information on the sources that could be added to the article, if they exist. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS)
15:35, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- I based my decision on point 5 of
WP:MUSICBIO -
Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).
- She has had multiple releases with NinjaTune accoirding to her page. Ninja Tune I'd consider one of the more important indie labels, with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable. -- Kevin19781 ( talk) 17:47, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- I based my decision on point 5 of
WP:MUSICBIO -
- Please provide more information on the sources that could be added to the article, if they exist. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS)
15:35, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete The only reliable source that meets third-party criteria is a BBC review, and that only mentions the subject in passing. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
-
Ohnoitsjamie: Why would
Sydsvenskan or
TV4 not meet the third-party criteria, both being major news sources, neither just mentioning the article subject in passing? /
Julle (
talk)
23:21, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Or not be reliable, for that matter. / Julle ( talk) 23:24, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
-
Ohnoitsjamie: Why would
Sydsvenskan or
TV4 not meet the third-party criteria, both being major news sources, neither just mentioning the article subject in passing? /
Julle (
talk)
23:21, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- TV4 has one paragraph, which is a stretch to call
WP:SIGCOV. The other source isn't accessible so I can't readily evaluate it.
OhNoitsJamie
Talk
23:26, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- But since when did we start deleting articles because the sources are offline? (I've found it through w:sv:Mediearkivet, but it's from 2002, and as far as I can tell, it's not online in a more easily accessible way.) It's 933 words long part profile, part interview, definitely significant coverage. / Julle ( talk) 23:31, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- TV4 has one paragraph, which is a stretch to call
WP:SIGCOV. The other source isn't accessible so I can't readily evaluate it.
OhNoitsJamie
Talk
23:26, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. Daniel ( talk) 01:14, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
Yarah Bravo
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An apparent promotion attempt for singer/poet whose work is largely in the form of guest appearances for others, while her own releases have not gained reliable notice beyond the standard streaming and retail services. The list of "Press Quotes" at the bottom of the article is revealing. For most I cannot find the citations requested by previous editors (e.g. a search at mtv.com brings up neither her nor the quote about her). The quote from BBC is real, but it refers to an appearance on someone else's album [1]. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 15:43, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 15:43, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 16:05, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the
list of Women-related deletion discussions.
Spiderone
(Talk to Spider)
16:05, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- I was the one, who created this article 7 years ago. First of all – I'd like to make you sure that I have never been affiliated with Yarah Bravo. Back to 2005, I was a fan of One Self – a collaboration of
DJ Vadim,
Blurum13 and Yarah Bravo – and their hit Bluebird. That's why, I had decided to create this article when Yarah Bravo released her second album – Love Is The Movement. She was the only member of One Self, who didn't have a personal wiki page and I thought that's unfair. For the press quotes, I took them from
her old official web, but I also did't find the original sources. My guess – those quotes could have appeared at paper magazines or on TV. Back to 2005-2010, the internet wasn't so popular and common. If the quotes are an issue, I would love to ask delete them and leave the article.
Gubaidulin (
talk)
21:10, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- I have deleted the press quotes. They weren't what we call "encyclopedic", i.e. a natural part of a the kind of short biography Wikipedia tries to write; I think the article you created is better without them. / Julle ( talk) 08:37, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- I was the one, who created this article 7 years ago. First of all – I'd like to make you sure that I have never been affiliated with Yarah Bravo. Back to 2005, I was a fan of One Self – a collaboration of
DJ Vadim,
Blurum13 and Yarah Bravo – and their hit Bluebird. That's why, I had decided to create this article when Yarah Bravo released her second album – Love Is The Movement. She was the only member of One Self, who didn't have a personal wiki page and I thought that's unfair. For the press quotes, I took them from
her old official web, but I also did't find the original sources. My guess – those quotes could have appeared at paper magazines or on TV. Back to 2005-2010, the internet wasn't so popular and common. If the quotes are an issue, I would love to ask delete them and leave the article.
Gubaidulin (
talk)
21:10, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Not my musical area, so I can't contexutalise the artist or what I've found, but I found enough in the Swedish news archives to convince me that she belongs here. I've added a couple of references to major Swedish media. / Julle ( talk) 00:46, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- Based on what I've read now, at least Swedish media seems to talk about her and her music in her own right, not just because of appearances elsewhere. / Julle ( talk) 00:48, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- I removed the press quotes, which weren't very encyclopedic. / Julle ( talk) 00:49, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - Following addition of Swedish media sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suriname0 ( talk • contribs) 03:33, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:20, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 16:20, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- Comment from Nominator - I don't have to look at Ms. Bravo's article ever again so I won't fight the eventual consensus, but I strongly suggest considering whether the sources recently added (mostly by Julie above) are reliable and significant. The Swedish interviews might help, but Discogs and MusicBrainz do not. --- DOOMSDAYER520 ( TALK| CONTRIBS) 16:37, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- Any particular reason why you'd want to question these sources? The fairly long profile in Sydsvenskan is not just an interview, and Sydsvenskan is the major newspaper in southern Sweden. The TV4 piece – when she was nominated for an award – is shorter, but long enough on its own, and not an interview at all. / Julle ( talk) 16:57, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: To allow for greater scrutiny and discussion on the discovered sources to help reach consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bungle ( talk • contribs) 20:57, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Relisting comment: To allow for greater scrutiny and discussion on the discovered sources to help reach consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bungle ( talk • contribs) 20:57, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
- Keep - Artist is definitely notable, but more sources need to be added to the article. Kevin19781 ( talk) 01:17, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
- Please provide more information on the sources that could be added to the article, if they exist. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS)
15:35, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- I based my decision on point 5 of
WP:MUSICBIO -
Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).
- She has had multiple releases with NinjaTune accoirding to her page. Ninja Tune I'd consider one of the more important indie labels, with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable. -- Kevin19781 ( talk) 17:47, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- I based my decision on point 5 of
WP:MUSICBIO -
- Please provide more information on the sources that could be added to the article, if they exist. ---
DOOMSDAYER520 (
TALK|
CONTRIBS)
15:35, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete The only reliable source that meets third-party criteria is a BBC review, and that only mentions the subject in passing. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:40, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
-
Ohnoitsjamie: Why would
Sydsvenskan or
TV4 not meet the third-party criteria, both being major news sources, neither just mentioning the article subject in passing? /
Julle (
talk)
23:21, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- Or not be reliable, for that matter. / Julle ( talk) 23:24, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
-
Ohnoitsjamie: Why would
Sydsvenskan or
TV4 not meet the third-party criteria, both being major news sources, neither just mentioning the article subject in passing? /
Julle (
talk)
23:21, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- TV4 has one paragraph, which is a stretch to call
WP:SIGCOV. The other source isn't accessible so I can't readily evaluate it.
OhNoitsJamie
Talk
23:26, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- But since when did we start deleting articles because the sources are offline? (I've found it through w:sv:Mediearkivet, but it's from 2002, and as far as I can tell, it's not online in a more easily accessible way.) It's 933 words long part profile, part interview, definitely significant coverage. / Julle ( talk) 23:31, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
- TV4 has one paragraph, which is a stretch to call
WP:SIGCOV. The other source isn't accessible so I can't readily evaluate it.
OhNoitsJamie
Talk
23:26, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
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