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The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 15:53, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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Possibly fails WP:GNG. Lack of third party sources for radio station. Tyw7 ( 🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then ( ping me) 22:26, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
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- Keep. The problem here is lack of online sources; unlike when I write about the US and Canada, I don't get to rely on trade journals or local newspapers because there are no digital copies of that material for most Mexican cities. This radio station has been on air since 1967, and looks like it was the first to broadcast in Puerto Vallarta.
Raymie (
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Raymie, well the presence of third party sources are paramount for Wikipedia. --
Tyw7 (
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ping me)
14:21, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- It's a systemic bias problem. I don't have a historic Puerto Vallarta newspaper available online to write about the early years of this station, for instance. (
WP:BCAST also would establish this as notable, by the way.)
Raymie (
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18:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
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Raymie, are you saying ALL radio stations are notable? --
Tyw7 (
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19:32, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- Tyw7, licensed radio stations do have notability, some more so that others. For full disclosure, I've collaborated with Raymie on an extensive rewrite for KWKW and I did a major rewrite of WAKR recently; those stations had significant cultural impacts in the towns they've served (another good example of a well-sourced article of a station with major cultural impact is WMMS). Unlicensed stations (eg, carrier-current college stations) and internet stations are a whole other deal and the notability of those vary wildly; oWOW Radio is an example of an internet station with sources and a notable founder. Point being, it's far more practical to keep XHEJ-FM and work to do as much of an expansion of the article with as many sources as possible. Nathan Obral ( talk) 20:34, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
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Raymie, are you saying ALL radio stations are notable? --
Tyw7 (
🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (
ping me)
19:32, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- It's a systemic bias problem. I don't have a historic Puerto Vallarta newspaper available online to write about the early years of this station, for instance. (
WP:BCAST also would establish this as notable, by the way.)
Raymie (
t •
c)
18:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
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Raymie, well the presence of third party sources are paramount for Wikipedia. --
Tyw7 (
🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (
ping me)
14:21, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: Per above. I strongly agree that licensed radio stations are notable enough to pass WP:BCAST. Aside from the one indicated in the article, these are the only sources I can find about the station: [1], [2], [3] (Just remove the "_" between LA PATRONA) and [4]. I hope these can help. ASTIG😎 ( ICE T • ICE CUBE) 02:22, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- In disclosure, I...wrote that last link, and I do not cite myself under any circumstances. (Though I did add information relating to the continuity obligation.) If you're searching sources earlier than the last 10 years, by the way, you must search "XEEJ" as the callsign when it was on AM. Raymie ( t • c) 22:06, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- Raymie, thanks for the hint. These are among the sources I found using the callsign: It's mentioned in the list of Mexican standard broadcast stations in Federal Register, its launch date was mentioned in this site and it's also listed in DOF. ASTIG😎 ( ICE T • ICE CUBE) 01:57, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
- I was able to find sources for it being first on air, a firm sign-on date and a reference to its sale in 2004—and that's actually a lot given you rarely see sale prices quoted of Mexican broadcasting stations! Raymie ( t • c) 22:16, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per same justification as Raymie. Psiĥedelisto ( talk • contribs) 20:57, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 ( talk) 15:53, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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Possibly fails WP:GNG. Lack of third party sources for radio station. Tyw7 ( 🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then ( ping me) 22:26, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of News media-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 ( 🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then ( ping me) 22:26, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 ( 🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then ( ping me) 22:26, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mexico-related deletion discussions. Tyw7 ( 🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then ( ping me) 22:26, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep. The problem here is lack of online sources; unlike when I write about the US and Canada, I don't get to rely on trade journals or local newspapers because there are no digital copies of that material for most Mexican cities. This radio station has been on air since 1967, and looks like it was the first to broadcast in Puerto Vallarta.
Raymie (
t •
c)
00:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
-
Raymie, well the presence of third party sources are paramount for Wikipedia. --
Tyw7 (
🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (
ping me)
14:21, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- It's a systemic bias problem. I don't have a historic Puerto Vallarta newspaper available online to write about the early years of this station, for instance. (
WP:BCAST also would establish this as notable, by the way.)
Raymie (
t •
c)
18:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
-
Raymie, are you saying ALL radio stations are notable? --
Tyw7 (
🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (
ping me)
19:32, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- Tyw7, licensed radio stations do have notability, some more so that others. For full disclosure, I've collaborated with Raymie on an extensive rewrite for KWKW and I did a major rewrite of WAKR recently; those stations had significant cultural impacts in the towns they've served (another good example of a well-sourced article of a station with major cultural impact is WMMS). Unlicensed stations (eg, carrier-current college stations) and internet stations are a whole other deal and the notability of those vary wildly; oWOW Radio is an example of an internet station with sources and a notable founder. Point being, it's far more practical to keep XHEJ-FM and work to do as much of an expansion of the article with as many sources as possible. Nathan Obral ( talk) 20:34, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
-
Raymie, are you saying ALL radio stations are notable? --
Tyw7 (
🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (
ping me)
19:32, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
- It's a systemic bias problem. I don't have a historic Puerto Vallarta newspaper available online to write about the early years of this station, for instance. (
WP:BCAST also would establish this as notable, by the way.)
Raymie (
t •
c)
18:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
-
Raymie, well the presence of third party sources are paramount for Wikipedia. --
Tyw7 (
🗣️ Talk) — If (reply) then (
ping me)
14:21, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: Per above. I strongly agree that licensed radio stations are notable enough to pass WP:BCAST. Aside from the one indicated in the article, these are the only sources I can find about the station: [1], [2], [3] (Just remove the "_" between LA PATRONA) and [4]. I hope these can help. ASTIG😎 ( ICE T • ICE CUBE) 02:22, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
- In disclosure, I...wrote that last link, and I do not cite myself under any circumstances. (Though I did add information relating to the continuity obligation.) If you're searching sources earlier than the last 10 years, by the way, you must search "XEEJ" as the callsign when it was on AM. Raymie ( t • c) 22:06, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- Raymie, thanks for the hint. These are among the sources I found using the callsign: It's mentioned in the list of Mexican standard broadcast stations in Federal Register, its launch date was mentioned in this site and it's also listed in DOF. ASTIG😎 ( ICE T • ICE CUBE) 01:57, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
- I was able to find sources for it being first on air, a firm sign-on date and a reference to its sale in 2004—and that's actually a lot given you rarely see sale prices quoted of Mexican broadcasting stations! Raymie ( t • c) 22:16, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
- Keep per same justification as Raymie. Psiĥedelisto ( talk • contribs) 20:57, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
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