The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 03:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC) reply
This is a content fork and no references or indication of the notability of this topic is given. I'm not really a fan of these gender/race/nationality split lists, especially in cases like this. Why not Canadians or Germans or posthumous inductees. Hell, why not "Metal acts inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame", since it has received far more coverage. We have a List of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees (and it's a pretty good list, if I do say so myself), so why are splits needed?
Also, I believe the lead misrepresents the article. It declares that it is notable because "only a relative handful of women have been inducted", thus insinuating that women have been snubbed. This is untrue since almost every year has seen at least one inductee and is 50 really a handful? In fact, I've read articles that say that too many undeserving women acts are inducted. -- Scorpion 0422 01:49, 23 April 2009 (UTC) reply
Keep Though the raw data for this list is (mostly) available in the original Rock Hall article, grouping inductees by gender brings a lens that illuminates the subject differently. Its usefulness is distinct from the original article because this grouping promotes analysis of a trend, highlighting the rate at which female artists were inducted. It served me as a useful roster that I didn’t have to recreate on my own.
Specifically, I’m a grad student currently working on a paper about the historiography of Rock and related genres. I referred to this list several times for the section about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame’s role in canonizing who rates as a “Rock Legend”. Gender absolutely matters in Rock and Roll, so much so that the comparison to other subcategories is insulting. Gender is a primary lens through which artists in the Rock genre are regarded, given the nature of rock culture and history. When and how the Rock Hall chooses to (or chooses not to) induct female artists has crucial influence on the perception that women are significant in shaping the music. That influence makes this list noteable.
Several other “Women in…” articles have been created as companions to the list of all honorees (List of Olympic medalists in athletics (women), List of female state governors in the United States, List of U.S. military vessels named after women...). Actually, what I would like to see in the article is a broader discussion of controversies surrounding the in/exclusion of women from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The list implies that there is a significant discrepancy, but it could flesh that idea out more frankly. —Preceding
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While the Rock Hall itself does not make use of gender categorization in its own awards, the fact that gender has become a defining category within the industry means its awards are not immune from interpretation along gender lines. While the gendered structure of the Grammy Awards can create something of a balance between male and female winners, the Hall of Fame Inductees are overwhelmingly male, thereby creating an interesting series of questions about how the Hall itself interprets (or doesn’t interpret) gender as a salient category within the recording industry. (The grad student writing above speaks to this point quite well.) It should, however, be noted that while the Rock Hall does not separate awards by gender, it does promote various programming at its museum around the theme of Women in/and Rock.
As a few editors have argued that this list paves the way for (indeed) ridiculous lists such as lesbians, or Canadians, or Jews, I think the point to remember is that the recording industry itself does not single out categories such as these in terms of award-giving. Gender, however, is a category that has been ensconced into its award-giving history, and therefore makes a valid point of departure from the main list of Hall of Fame inductees.
I have also contacted the Rock Hall (by email) to clarify the question about Zola Taylor as their website indeed leaves the matter up for interpretation. -- Rytch303 ( talk) 14:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC) reply
The result was no consensus. MBisanz talk 03:27, 1 May 2009 (UTC) reply
This is a content fork and no references or indication of the notability of this topic is given. I'm not really a fan of these gender/race/nationality split lists, especially in cases like this. Why not Canadians or Germans or posthumous inductees. Hell, why not "Metal acts inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame", since it has received far more coverage. We have a List of Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees (and it's a pretty good list, if I do say so myself), so why are splits needed?
Also, I believe the lead misrepresents the article. It declares that it is notable because "only a relative handful of women have been inducted", thus insinuating that women have been snubbed. This is untrue since almost every year has seen at least one inductee and is 50 really a handful? In fact, I've read articles that say that too many undeserving women acts are inducted. -- Scorpion 0422 01:49, 23 April 2009 (UTC) reply
Keep Though the raw data for this list is (mostly) available in the original Rock Hall article, grouping inductees by gender brings a lens that illuminates the subject differently. Its usefulness is distinct from the original article because this grouping promotes analysis of a trend, highlighting the rate at which female artists were inducted. It served me as a useful roster that I didn’t have to recreate on my own.
Specifically, I’m a grad student currently working on a paper about the historiography of Rock and related genres. I referred to this list several times for the section about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame’s role in canonizing who rates as a “Rock Legend”. Gender absolutely matters in Rock and Roll, so much so that the comparison to other subcategories is insulting. Gender is a primary lens through which artists in the Rock genre are regarded, given the nature of rock culture and history. When and how the Rock Hall chooses to (or chooses not to) induct female artists has crucial influence on the perception that women are significant in shaping the music. That influence makes this list noteable.
Several other “Women in…” articles have been created as companions to the list of all honorees (List of Olympic medalists in athletics (women), List of female state governors in the United States, List of U.S. military vessels named after women...). Actually, what I would like to see in the article is a broader discussion of controversies surrounding the in/exclusion of women from the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The list implies that there is a significant discrepancy, but it could flesh that idea out more frankly. —Preceding
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While the Rock Hall itself does not make use of gender categorization in its own awards, the fact that gender has become a defining category within the industry means its awards are not immune from interpretation along gender lines. While the gendered structure of the Grammy Awards can create something of a balance between male and female winners, the Hall of Fame Inductees are overwhelmingly male, thereby creating an interesting series of questions about how the Hall itself interprets (or doesn’t interpret) gender as a salient category within the recording industry. (The grad student writing above speaks to this point quite well.) It should, however, be noted that while the Rock Hall does not separate awards by gender, it does promote various programming at its museum around the theme of Women in/and Rock.
As a few editors have argued that this list paves the way for (indeed) ridiculous lists such as lesbians, or Canadians, or Jews, I think the point to remember is that the recording industry itself does not single out categories such as these in terms of award-giving. Gender, however, is a category that has been ensconced into its award-giving history, and therefore makes a valid point of departure from the main list of Hall of Fame inductees.
I have also contacted the Rock Hall (by email) to clarify the question about Zola Taylor as their website indeed leaves the matter up for interpretation. -- Rytch303 ( talk) 14:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC) reply