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The result was merge to Wii Fit (tentatively, though if there is consensus to merge to the character list or to both, that's of course fine as well). Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Wii Fit Trainer
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This has the same problem as Villager (Animal Crossing): the article is entirely about the character in terms of Super Smash Bros., and is relying on paper thin reception to keep it afloat. It's barely a character as is, which doesn't help matters. Kung Fu Man ( talk) 09:55, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. Kung Fu Man ( talk) 09:55, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep - sadly despite the reality that WP:IDONTLIKEIT I suspect there is probably enough coverage to meet the WP:GNG. Quite why this is a thing, I can't parse, sigh. JMWt ( talk) 10:31, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
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WP:Assume good faith.
GreenishPickle! (
🔔)
10:40, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Not sure what you mean but I assume you were misunderstanding my comment because I wasn't clear. I don't like the fact that a character in Wii Fit is notable but I suspect it is.
- I didn't - and don't now - make any comment about the good faith of the nom, those who edited the page or anyone else involved. JMWt ( talk) 10:49, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
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WP:Assume good faith.
GreenishPickle! (
🔔)
10:40, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Super Smash Bros. series characters or Wii Fit. Besides the one research paper, the majority of coverage is extremely trivial. Nominator's assertions appear to be correct, though I am open to changing my !vote if significant coverage is demonstrated here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 11:05, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Weak Keep I'd argue what's there is enough to justify the article's existence, though all of it being Smash related is a bit iffy.
Pokelego999 (
talk)
17:53, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hilariously before doing this I thought maybe there might've been something for all the um, well, porn the character's female counterpart had gotten, but even that was a dud after searching.--
Kung Fu Man (
talk)
19:30, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- That's honestly kind of funny Pokelego999 ( talk) 00:23, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hilariously before doing this I thought maybe there might've been something for all the um, well, porn the character's female counterpart had gotten, but even that was a dud after searching.--
Kung Fu Man (
talk)
19:30, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep The reception section shows reliable sources are reviewing the character.
Dream Focus
20:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Which sources are you identifying as significant coverage?
Sergecross73
msg me
20:27, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- They all comment on the character, not just giving passing mentions that she is there. It isn't like
List of cancelled Nintendo Switch games where they just mention briefly that a company stated they aren't porting something to the Nintendo Switch.
Dream Focus
21:32, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- You're being vague. Which ones are your WP:THREE? Sergecross73 msg me 23:41, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- They all comment on the character, not just giving passing mentions that she is there. It isn't like
List of cancelled Nintendo Switch games where they just mention briefly that a company stated they aren't porting something to the Nintendo Switch.
Dream Focus
21:32, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Which sources are you identifying as significant coverage?
Sergecross73
msg me
20:27, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - despite the sources mostly covering their appearance in Smash Bros., this has little impact on their notability in my eyes.
(Oinkers42) (
talk)
14:21, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- That's a plausible defense of the naysayers, but it doesn't really advance any argument in support of notability. Sergecross73 msg me 01:21, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merge covergae largely focused about Smash Bros. and the rest of the sources are trivia. GreenishPickle! ( 🔔) 04:08, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: Per Oinkers42. It's also worth mentioning that Wii Fit Trainer is not well-known outside of Super Smash Bros., hence coverage mostly pertaining to that is natural. MoonJet ( talk) 10:53, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- @ MoonJet: if they're not well known outside of that game then they're not notable outside of it by your own admission, no?-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 21:46, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merge - no evidence the subject meets the GNG, not a single Keep stance has given a valid argument for keeping it, they've just been piggy-backing
WP:VAGUEWAVE arguments on each other.
Sergecross73
msg me
18:02, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- To clarify, similar to my stance and how it was closed at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Villager_(Animal_Crossing), I believe the best redirect/merge target to be at the game that the subject originated from (in this scenario, Wii Fit.) Sergecross73 msg me 16:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- There is nothing to merge, it'll just be deleted/redirected. The reception section is large and shows enough reliable sources have written about this character. Enough valid content to have its own article, no sense eliminating that for a brief mention in another article.
Dream Focus
19:46, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not following any of this. What do you mean there's "nothing to merge"? And its been almost a full week and you still haven't provided your
WP:THREE. I'm honestly surprised this was relisted with such vague rationales being thrown out here.
Sergecross73
msg me
20:05, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- You won't merge anything, you will just put a redirect to it. You couldn't fit all the valid content from this article over into the other one, it'd be too long.
WP:Three is just an essay, and the creator of it actually commented on how people were misusing it. I see no reason for me to copy over the Reception section here, and point to the various things said about the character from reliable sources. Those who read the article either agree that's significant coverage in reliable sources, thus it meets the general notability guidelines, or they argue that doesn't count because the coverage is only about their appearance in one video game, which is not a valid reason to delete it. Nowhere is their any rule something has to be covered for multiple things.
Dream Focus
21:35, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- So you're issue is that you regard there isn't enough to preserve, but it should be preserved all the same? That's...some weird logic...--
Kung Fu Man (
talk)
21:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- That isn't what I said. Not sure where you got that from. There is enough to preserve in this article, it too much to fit in the other article.
Dream Focus
21:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merges don't require all 100% all information to be integrated, and you know that, so I don't know where you're going with this. This is not some complex scenario. It would be very easy to merge some of this video game character's article into its respective video game. It's a personal trainer who got put into a crossover fighting game. Pretty straightforward. Sergecross73 msg me 23:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- That isn't what I said. Not sure where you got that from. There is enough to preserve in this article, it too much to fit in the other article.
Dream Focus
21:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Sure, THREE is an essay, but it's certainly telling that, after multiple requests, (that you've clearly shown that you've seen) haven't provide any examples of good sources providing significant coverage. That's not exactly how experienced editors act when they've got good sources that prove notability. Sergecross73 msg me 00:00, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- So you're issue is that you regard there isn't enough to preserve, but it should be preserved all the same? That's...some weird logic...--
Kung Fu Man (
talk)
21:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- You won't merge anything, you will just put a redirect to it. You couldn't fit all the valid content from this article over into the other one, it'd be too long.
WP:Three is just an essay, and the creator of it actually commented on how people were misusing it. I see no reason for me to copy over the Reception section here, and point to the various things said about the character from reliable sources. Those who read the article either agree that's significant coverage in reliable sources, thus it meets the general notability guidelines, or they argue that doesn't count because the coverage is only about their appearance in one video game, which is not a valid reason to delete it. Nowhere is their any rule something has to be covered for multiple things.
Dream Focus
21:35, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not following any of this. What do you mean there's "nothing to merge"? And its been almost a full week and you still haven't provided your
WP:THREE. I'm honestly surprised this was relisted with such vague rationales being thrown out here.
Sergecross73
msg me
20:05, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Divided between those arguing to Keep this article and those advocating a Merger.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:55, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect and merge to Wii Fit. I feel a majority of the voters above aren't providing very insightful rationale. However, this character, outside of Smash Bros, isn't notable and personally I don't see the impact this character would have regardless of its inclusion in Smash Bros. So, I suggest that it would be better off with a redirect to the main game with a section for the Smash Bros stuff. A redirect on the List can go to this section too. Conyo14 ( talk) 23:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Weak merge some info to Wii Fit - Although some stuff in this article, such as her conception as an SSB character and popularity as a character among women, is absolutely worthy of coverage, it could easily be made into one to three paragraphs in the Legacy section of the Wii Fit article, and it would arguably work better there rather than being supported by a scaffold of trivia and fluff. ― novov t c 08:45, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merge. There's just not as much there as there could be, unfortunately. - Cukie Gherkin ( talk) 18:01, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Wii Fit (tentatively, though if there is consensus to merge to the character list or to both, that's of course fine as well). Seraphimblade Talk to me 03:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)
Wii Fit Trainer
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This has the same problem as Villager (Animal Crossing): the article is entirely about the character in terms of Super Smash Bros., and is relying on paper thin reception to keep it afloat. It's barely a character as is, which doesn't help matters. Kung Fu Man ( talk) 09:55, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. Kung Fu Man ( talk) 09:55, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Weak keep - sadly despite the reality that WP:IDONTLIKEIT I suspect there is probably enough coverage to meet the WP:GNG. Quite why this is a thing, I can't parse, sigh. JMWt ( talk) 10:31, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
-
WP:Assume good faith.
GreenishPickle! (
🔔)
10:40, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Not sure what you mean but I assume you were misunderstanding my comment because I wasn't clear. I don't like the fact that a character in Wii Fit is notable but I suspect it is.
- I didn't - and don't now - make any comment about the good faith of the nom, those who edited the page or anyone else involved. JMWt ( talk) 10:49, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
-
WP:Assume good faith.
GreenishPickle! (
🔔)
10:40, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to List of Super Smash Bros. series characters or Wii Fit. Besides the one research paper, the majority of coverage is extremely trivial. Nominator's assertions appear to be correct, though I am open to changing my !vote if significant coverage is demonstrated here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ ( ᴛ) 11:05, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Weak Keep I'd argue what's there is enough to justify the article's existence, though all of it being Smash related is a bit iffy.
Pokelego999 (
talk)
17:53, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hilariously before doing this I thought maybe there might've been something for all the um, well, porn the character's female counterpart had gotten, but even that was a dud after searching.--
Kung Fu Man (
talk)
19:30, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- That's honestly kind of funny Pokelego999 ( talk) 00:23, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- Hilariously before doing this I thought maybe there might've been something for all the um, well, porn the character's female counterpart had gotten, but even that was a dud after searching.--
Kung Fu Man (
talk)
19:30, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep The reception section shows reliable sources are reviewing the character.
Dream Focus
20:11, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Which sources are you identifying as significant coverage?
Sergecross73
msg me
20:27, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- They all comment on the character, not just giving passing mentions that she is there. It isn't like
List of cancelled Nintendo Switch games where they just mention briefly that a company stated they aren't porting something to the Nintendo Switch.
Dream Focus
21:32, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- You're being vague. Which ones are your WP:THREE? Sergecross73 msg me 23:41, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- They all comment on the character, not just giving passing mentions that she is there. It isn't like
List of cancelled Nintendo Switch games where they just mention briefly that a company stated they aren't porting something to the Nintendo Switch.
Dream Focus
21:32, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Which sources are you identifying as significant coverage?
Sergecross73
msg me
20:27, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - despite the sources mostly covering their appearance in Smash Bros., this has little impact on their notability in my eyes.
(Oinkers42) (
talk)
14:21, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
- That's a plausible defense of the naysayers, but it doesn't really advance any argument in support of notability. Sergecross73 msg me 01:21, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merge covergae largely focused about Smash Bros. and the rest of the sources are trivia. GreenishPickle! ( 🔔) 04:08, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: Per Oinkers42. It's also worth mentioning that Wii Fit Trainer is not well-known outside of Super Smash Bros., hence coverage mostly pertaining to that is natural. MoonJet ( talk) 10:53, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- @ MoonJet: if they're not well known outside of that game then they're not notable outside of it by your own admission, no?-- Kung Fu Man ( talk) 21:46, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merge - no evidence the subject meets the GNG, not a single Keep stance has given a valid argument for keeping it, they've just been piggy-backing
WP:VAGUEWAVE arguments on each other.
Sergecross73
msg me
18:02, 5 September 2023 (UTC)
- To clarify, similar to my stance and how it was closed at /info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Villager_(Animal_Crossing), I believe the best redirect/merge target to be at the game that the subject originated from (in this scenario, Wii Fit.) Sergecross73 msg me 16:33, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- There is nothing to merge, it'll just be deleted/redirected. The reception section is large and shows enough reliable sources have written about this character. Enough valid content to have its own article, no sense eliminating that for a brief mention in another article.
Dream Focus
19:46, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not following any of this. What do you mean there's "nothing to merge"? And its been almost a full week and you still haven't provided your
WP:THREE. I'm honestly surprised this was relisted with such vague rationales being thrown out here.
Sergecross73
msg me
20:05, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- You won't merge anything, you will just put a redirect to it. You couldn't fit all the valid content from this article over into the other one, it'd be too long.
WP:Three is just an essay, and the creator of it actually commented on how people were misusing it. I see no reason for me to copy over the Reception section here, and point to the various things said about the character from reliable sources. Those who read the article either agree that's significant coverage in reliable sources, thus it meets the general notability guidelines, or they argue that doesn't count because the coverage is only about their appearance in one video game, which is not a valid reason to delete it. Nowhere is their any rule something has to be covered for multiple things.
Dream Focus
21:35, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- So you're issue is that you regard there isn't enough to preserve, but it should be preserved all the same? That's...some weird logic...--
Kung Fu Man (
talk)
21:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- That isn't what I said. Not sure where you got that from. There is enough to preserve in this article, it too much to fit in the other article.
Dream Focus
21:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merges don't require all 100% all information to be integrated, and you know that, so I don't know where you're going with this. This is not some complex scenario. It would be very easy to merge some of this video game character's article into its respective video game. It's a personal trainer who got put into a crossover fighting game. Pretty straightforward. Sergecross73 msg me 23:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- That isn't what I said. Not sure where you got that from. There is enough to preserve in this article, it too much to fit in the other article.
Dream Focus
21:56, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Sure, THREE is an essay, but it's certainly telling that, after multiple requests, (that you've clearly shown that you've seen) haven't provide any examples of good sources providing significant coverage. That's not exactly how experienced editors act when they've got good sources that prove notability. Sergecross73 msg me 00:00, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- So you're issue is that you regard there isn't enough to preserve, but it should be preserved all the same? That's...some weird logic...--
Kung Fu Man (
talk)
21:47, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- You won't merge anything, you will just put a redirect to it. You couldn't fit all the valid content from this article over into the other one, it'd be too long.
WP:Three is just an essay, and the creator of it actually commented on how people were misusing it. I see no reason for me to copy over the Reception section here, and point to the various things said about the character from reliable sources. Those who read the article either agree that's significant coverage in reliable sources, thus it meets the general notability guidelines, or they argue that doesn't count because the coverage is only about their appearance in one video game, which is not a valid reason to delete it. Nowhere is their any rule something has to be covered for multiple things.
Dream Focus
21:35, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- I'm not following any of this. What do you mean there's "nothing to merge"? And its been almost a full week and you still haven't provided your
WP:THREE. I'm honestly surprised this was relisted with such vague rationales being thrown out here.
Sergecross73
msg me
20:05, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Divided between those arguing to Keep this article and those advocating a Merger.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 19:55, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Redirect and merge to Wii Fit. I feel a majority of the voters above aren't providing very insightful rationale. However, this character, outside of Smash Bros, isn't notable and personally I don't see the impact this character would have regardless of its inclusion in Smash Bros. So, I suggest that it would be better off with a redirect to the main game with a section for the Smash Bros stuff. A redirect on the List can go to this section too. Conyo14 ( talk) 23:20, 6 September 2023 (UTC)
- Weak merge some info to Wii Fit - Although some stuff in this article, such as her conception as an SSB character and popularity as a character among women, is absolutely worthy of coverage, it could easily be made into one to three paragraphs in the Legacy section of the Wii Fit article, and it would arguably work better there rather than being supported by a scaffold of trivia and fluff. ― novov t c 08:45, 7 September 2023 (UTC)
- Merge. There's just not as much there as there could be, unfortunately. - Cukie Gherkin ( talk) 18:01, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.