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The result was no consensus. Black Kite (talk) 00:53, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
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Lacks presumed notability and fails the google test. I dream of horses ( My talk page) ( My edits) @ 04:35, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep I am not shocked that a head college football coach from 1919 fails the "google" test. Typically, we find that head college football coaches generate enough press to pass
WP:GNG--
Paul McDonald (
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15:17, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- by the way, WP:GOOGLEHITS is clear that there really isn't a "google test" and is specifically listed as an argument to avoid in deletion discussions.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 16:16, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- Comment He apparently became head coach two years after lettering at Iowa and coached at Luther for two years. It's not clear at all to me that two years coaching at a division III school affords automatic notability. It is mentioned as being enough at WP:CFBCOACH, but it's not part of WP:NGRIDIRON. Papaursa ( talk) 17:05, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Head football coaches as schools that are now Division III tend to be notable in this era, as college football was not differentiated into divisions then.
Jweiss11 (
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17:45, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- Plus, the NFL didn't form until the next year and then it was a regional event--college-level football was the highest expression of the sport at the time.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 19:41, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. I did my best to beef up the article. Regrettably, my searches turn up zero in terms of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. In fact, nothing even close. When Jewell was the coach for three months in 1919, Luther College was a very small college (a total student body of only 217 students in 1919 per the book cited in the article at p. 203). My searches also fail to turn up significant coverage of the 1919 Luther football team. The two principal sources included in the article currently are not "independent", consisting of a book written by the the Luther College faculty and a paid death notice (which tellingly doesn't even mention his having been either a football player or coach). I am afraid we have truly reached the outermost limits of college football coach notability. Cbl62 ( talk) 13:46, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
- If another editor can find significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, I'm willing to reconsider. Cbl62 ( talk) 13:53, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep, Agree with Jweiss11. There might be offline references available, hard to find though. Legion X ( talk) 21:02, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- delete There is this mention a [1] in Hawkeye Legends, Lists, & Lore, it lists every injury sustained by the team in the 1917-18 season; our Walter broke his collarbone. I ran a Proquest news search on "Walter jewell" + football, and came up empty. It is a common name, which makes him harder to find, so there should be no prejudice against creating an article if someone in future can source him. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:14, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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Lacks presumed notability and fails the google test. I dream of horses ( My talk page) ( My edits) @ 04:35, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
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- Keep I am not shocked that a head college football coach from 1919 fails the "google" test. Typically, we find that head college football coaches generate enough press to pass
WP:GNG--
Paul McDonald (
talk)
15:17, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- by the way, WP:GOOGLEHITS is clear that there really isn't a "google test" and is specifically listed as an argument to avoid in deletion discussions.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 16:16, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- Comment He apparently became head coach two years after lettering at Iowa and coached at Luther for two years. It's not clear at all to me that two years coaching at a division III school affords automatic notability. It is mentioned as being enough at WP:CFBCOACH, but it's not part of WP:NGRIDIRON. Papaursa ( talk) 17:05, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep Head football coaches as schools that are now Division III tend to be notable in this era, as college football was not differentiated into divisions then.
Jweiss11 (
talk)
17:45, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- Plus, the NFL didn't form until the next year and then it was a regional event--college-level football was the highest expression of the sport at the time.-- Paul McDonald ( talk) 19:41, 23 February 2019 (UTC)
- Delete. I did my best to beef up the article. Regrettably, my searches turn up zero in terms of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. In fact, nothing even close. When Jewell was the coach for three months in 1919, Luther College was a very small college (a total student body of only 217 students in 1919 per the book cited in the article at p. 203). My searches also fail to turn up significant coverage of the 1919 Luther football team. The two principal sources included in the article currently are not "independent", consisting of a book written by the the Luther College faculty and a paid death notice (which tellingly doesn't even mention his having been either a football player or coach). I am afraid we have truly reached the outermost limits of college football coach notability. Cbl62 ( talk) 13:46, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
- If another editor can find significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, I'm willing to reconsider. Cbl62 ( talk) 13:53, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 22:47, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 22:47, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
- Keep, Agree with Jweiss11. There might be offline references available, hard to find though. Legion X ( talk) 21:02, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
- delete There is this mention a [1] in Hawkeye Legends, Lists, & Lore, it lists every injury sustained by the team in the 1917-18 season; our Walter broke his collarbone. I ran a Proquest news search on "Walter jewell" + football, and came up empty. It is a common name, which makes him harder to find, so there should be no prejudice against creating an article if someone in future can source him. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 16:14, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jovanmilic97 ( talk) 20:41, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
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