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The result was no consensus. ( non-admin closure) — Music1201 ^talk 00:34, 11 September 2016 (UTC) reply

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Still fails GNG and NMUSIC. -- Goroth ( talk) 18:28, 19 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal ( talk) 02:44, 20 August 2016 (UTC) reply

• Comment - I was the one who declined the speedy deletion request, because it had at least 1 reliable source ( Alt Press) and they're signed to a mid-level record label ( Fearless Records). Still unsure of my stance, currently looking for sources. Seems likely to be out there at least. Sergecross73 msg me 18:40, 20 August 2016 (UTC) reply
  • This argument that the band got signed to Fearless Records was invalid in the first AFD debate. Alternative Press was not described as an reliable source neither was the chartings on Billboard Heatseeker, Hard Rock and Alternative Albums Charts. Even touring in Europe where the band played major European festivals Rock im Park and Download Festival and being on the whole Warped Tour wasn't an indicator for notability. -- Goroth ( talk) 21:30, 20 August 2016 (UTC) reply
    • I did not state any of those things as reasons it was notable, just merely that they could be indicators that sources may be out there. Also, you're stance on Alt Press is incorrect - there's a consensus that it is reliable on the WikiProject level per WP:MUSIC/SOURCES. Sergecross73 msg me 22:34, 20 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. North America ¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:36, 20 August 2016 (UTC) reply

In the article about Wage War I started back in the end/at the beginning of the year I used sources like Alternative Press but it was criticized that the sources I used weren't reliable. -- Goroth ( talk) 22:51, 20 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Well, I don't know their exact criticisms or objections were, so it's hard to comment too much, but the general notion that Alt Press is not an RS would be incorrect, or at least not the current consensus. Sergecross73 msg me 23:48, 20 August 2016 (UTC) reply

You can read the last AFD debate here. -- Goroth ( talk) 06:35, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply

I know, it's linked above, and I saw it on my research when declining the speedy delete. It didn't look like a very good discussion or a very strong consensus. Sergecross73 msg me 13:26, 21 August 2016 (UTC) reply

• Comment - Source hunting has found:

• These 3 sources are listed as usable per consensus at WP:MUSIC/SOURCES. They dedicate an entire article to the band...but the article's are rather brief:

1. http://www.allmusic.com/artist/wage-war-mn0003408259/biography
2. http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/wage_war_signs_to_fearless_records
3. http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/wage_war_signs_to_fearless_records

• These 2 sources are of unknown reliabilty, but discuss the band.

1. http://www.metalinjection.net/video/wage-wars-new-song-the-river-sounds-pretty-whitechapel-ish
2. http://www.axs.com/five-acts-to-catch-at-warped-tour-2016-85540

• These 2 sources show some of the higher profile stuff they've done at least:

1. http://www.billboard.com/artist/6778693/wage-war/chart shows their album/songs charted on some of the Billboard charts.
2. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/new-found-glory-sum-41-good-charlotte-top-warped-tour-lineup-20160322 shows that they're participating in rather high-profile - The Warped Tour - the biggest music festival in the U.S.

This sort of coverage, while not the strongest strictly in terms of the WP:GNG, still make me think that there's coverage out there somewhere. It's very rare to find a band that has charted and participated in such a major music festival that doesn't get enough coverage to scrape by the bottom of the GNG. Sergecross73 msg me 16:28, 22 August 2016 (UTC) reply

I used Alt Press for my article version, I linked the Billboard link in the article and it got deleted. My article version was more extensive than this one. I even wrote about the tours they participated, the festivals they played and even that they played Japan and Europe. -- Goroth ( talk) 10:43, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Indeed, it's like all the indicators of there being sources out there exist, but I'm having a hard time finding the actual sourcing itself. I wonder if there's anything available in print magazines that we don't have available to us online... Sergecross73 msg me 12:35, 23 August 2016 (UTC) reply

Maybe there is something available in print magazines but this band just started. So this band won't get more than a passage of space. Maybe we have to wait until the band announce their follow-up album. I guess the new album could get more successful then. -- Goroth ( talk) 07:00, 24 August 2016 (UTC) reply

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