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The result was no consensus. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:18, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
WTBU (radio station)
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This unlicensed radio station never had a license and it fails WP:BCAST and probably the WP:GNG. However, it has a bit more content than I'd normally PROD for. Sourcing that would be extremely valuable to make a quality page does not exist online, unfortunately. Sammi Brie ( t • c) 04:39, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Sammi Brie ( t • c) 04:39, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete - Fails WP:BCAST. Not independently notable.-- Tdl1060 ( talk) 06:42, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: For one, this is the station that Howard Stern began his career. Also, the information contained within would not belong on the page of Boston University’s licensed station WBUR-FM as they have taken different paths since their respective foundings (WBUR-FM is an N.P.R. affiliate with a staff whereas WTBU-AM-FM are college stations in the traditional sense). WTBU has been an important training ground to media students going to B.U. over the years. Stereorock ( talk) 09:13, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - Trim the page to include information only in the sources included -OR- add sources for the information on the page. Either way, I think it's worthy of inclusion, just needs more sources. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:37 on March 10, 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: Per Stereorock and Neutralhomer. Same thoughts for KANM that the page should be moved to WTBU (college radio) or WTBU (Boston). Unlike KANM, the article is good enough to be kept. It only needs some clean-up, primary sources should be removed and it needs some more secondary sources. ASTIG😎 ( ICE T • ICE CUBE) 14:14, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: Being the station at which Stern started his career cannot, of course, count towards notability. But that being said, my brow raises over the nom saying that this "probably" fails the GNG. Was WP:BEFORE not followed? Ravenswing 15:07, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: Yes, Stern starting his career at the station is notable, and the New York Times did report on the station beginning webcasting (one of several stations they discussed in the article). The other coverage I have found of the station in reliable sources independent of the subject relate to a fire in its studios. However, this is not enough to warrant an article separate from the school. The encyclopedic content related to the station could easily be added to Boston University or Boston University College of Communication's article, but as it stands, the content in WTBU (radio station) is not really suitable for merging. It is plagued with original research and tone issues, and most of the sources cited in the article are either the school or station's website or do not support content actually related to the station. Furthermore, its current title is not suitable as a redirect, because "(radio station)" is an incomplete disambiguation, as there is another, actually licensed, station that holds the call sign WTBU.-- Tdl1060 ( talk) 20:02, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- If kept, I'm moving the page to WTBU (Boston University) to address the title issue as it is an untenable title. Sammi Brie ( t • c) 23:20, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, xinbenlv Talk, Remember to "ping" me 05:27, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, xinbenlv Talk, Remember to "ping" me 05:27, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:18, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
WTBU (radio station)
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This unlicensed radio station never had a license and it fails WP:BCAST and probably the WP:GNG. However, it has a bit more content than I'd normally PROD for. Sourcing that would be extremely valuable to make a quality page does not exist online, unfortunately. Sammi Brie ( t • c) 04:39, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. Sammi Brie ( t • c) 04:39, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions. Sammi Brie ( t • c) 04:39, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails WP:BCAST. Not independently notable.-- Tdl1060 ( talk) 06:42, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: For one, this is the station that Howard Stern began his career. Also, the information contained within would not belong on the page of Boston University’s licensed station WBUR-FM as they have taken different paths since their respective foundings (WBUR-FM is an N.P.R. affiliate with a staff whereas WTBU-AM-FM are college stations in the traditional sense). WTBU has been an important training ground to media students going to B.U. over the years. Stereorock ( talk) 09:13, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Weak Keep - Trim the page to include information only in the sources included -OR- add sources for the information on the page. Either way, I think it's worthy of inclusion, just needs more sources. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 13:37 on March 10, 2020 (UTC)
- Keep: Per Stereorock and Neutralhomer. Same thoughts for KANM that the page should be moved to WTBU (college radio) or WTBU (Boston). Unlike KANM, the article is good enough to be kept. It only needs some clean-up, primary sources should be removed and it needs some more secondary sources. ASTIG😎 ( ICE T • ICE CUBE) 14:14, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: Being the station at which Stern started his career cannot, of course, count towards notability. But that being said, my brow raises over the nom saying that this "probably" fails the GNG. Was WP:BEFORE not followed? Ravenswing 15:07, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- Comment: Yes, Stern starting his career at the station is notable, and the New York Times did report on the station beginning webcasting (one of several stations they discussed in the article). The other coverage I have found of the station in reliable sources independent of the subject relate to a fire in its studios. However, this is not enough to warrant an article separate from the school. The encyclopedic content related to the station could easily be added to Boston University or Boston University College of Communication's article, but as it stands, the content in WTBU (radio station) is not really suitable for merging. It is plagued with original research and tone issues, and most of the sources cited in the article are either the school or station's website or do not support content actually related to the station. Furthermore, its current title is not suitable as a redirect, because "(radio station)" is an incomplete disambiguation, as there is another, actually licensed, station that holds the call sign WTBU.-- Tdl1060 ( talk) 20:02, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
- If kept, I'm moving the page to WTBU (Boston University) to address the title issue as it is an untenable title. Sammi Brie ( t • c) 23:20, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, xinbenlv Talk, Remember to "ping" me 05:27, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, xinbenlv Talk, Remember to "ping" me 05:27, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.