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The result was redirect to The Grapes of Wrath (band) in absence of opposition. ✗ plicit 23:28, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
Vincent Jones (musician)
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WP:BLP of a musician, whose principal notability claim is as a band member and session player rather than as an individual. Full disclosure, I was actually the original creator of this, under the inclusion standards that applied in 2004 -- but
WP:NMUSIC has been tightened up considerably in the past 20 years, and it's no longer clear that Jones would pass contemporary standards anymore.
At the time, the notability criterion he passed was "member of two notable bands" -- but even that's strictly a technicality, because Band #2 was really just Band #1 picking a new name when one founding member left, and then went back to its original name later on when the band patched it up with the prodigal. So fundamentally he was really just a member of one notable band that underwent a temporary name change, rather than two genuinely distinct bands who attained notability independently of each other.
Other than that, he has been a session player on other musicians' albums and tours, but has never been a solo artist in his own right -- and that content is sourced entirely to glancing namechecks of Jones's existence as a session player rather than any coverage that's substantively about Jones for the purposes of getting him over GNG.
Two of his other three fellow Grapes just have redirects to the band rather than their own standalone BLPs, and the third also just had a redirect until an
WP:SPA with a possible
WP:COI turned it into an article three days ago that was promptly put up for
WP:AFD as not properly sourcing standalone notability independently of the band either. So under 2023-vintage standards, all Jones really needs is a redirect to
The Grapes of Wrath (band) rather than his own standalone article as a separate topic.
Bearcat (
talk)
12:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Canada. Bearcat ( talk) 12:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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Info - Note to closer for soft deletion: This nomination has had limited participation and falls within the standards set for
lack of quorum. There are no previous AfD discussions, undeletions, or current redirects and no previous PRODs have been located. This nomination may be eligible for
soft deletion at the end of its 7-day listing.
- Related discussions:
2023-09 Kevin Kane (musician) (closed as redirect) - -- Cewbot ( talk) 00:02, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Yamamoto Ichiro ( talk) 14:41, 4 October 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh ( talk) 14:42, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to The Grapes of Wrath (band) in absence of opposition. ✗ plicit 23:28, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
Vincent Jones (musician)
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- Vincent Jones (musician) ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log | edits since nomination)
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WP:BLP of a musician, whose principal notability claim is as a band member and session player rather than as an individual. Full disclosure, I was actually the original creator of this, under the inclusion standards that applied in 2004 -- but
WP:NMUSIC has been tightened up considerably in the past 20 years, and it's no longer clear that Jones would pass contemporary standards anymore.
At the time, the notability criterion he passed was "member of two notable bands" -- but even that's strictly a technicality, because Band #2 was really just Band #1 picking a new name when one founding member left, and then went back to its original name later on when the band patched it up with the prodigal. So fundamentally he was really just a member of one notable band that underwent a temporary name change, rather than two genuinely distinct bands who attained notability independently of each other.
Other than that, he has been a session player on other musicians' albums and tours, but has never been a solo artist in his own right -- and that content is sourced entirely to glancing namechecks of Jones's existence as a session player rather than any coverage that's substantively about Jones for the purposes of getting him over GNG.
Two of his other three fellow Grapes just have redirects to the band rather than their own standalone BLPs, and the third also just had a redirect until an
WP:SPA with a possible
WP:COI turned it into an article three days ago that was promptly put up for
WP:AFD as not properly sourcing standalone notability independently of the band either. So under 2023-vintage standards, all Jones really needs is a redirect to
The Grapes of Wrath (band) rather than his own standalone article as a separate topic.
Bearcat (
talk)
12:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Canada. Bearcat ( talk) 12:31, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
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Info - Note to closer for soft deletion: This nomination has had limited participation and falls within the standards set for
lack of quorum. There are no previous AfD discussions, undeletions, or current redirects and no previous PRODs have been located. This nomination may be eligible for
soft deletion at the end of its 7-day listing.
- Related discussions:
2023-09 Kevin Kane (musician) (closed as redirect) - -- Cewbot ( talk) 00:02, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Yamamoto Ichiro ( talk) 14:41, 4 October 2023 (UTC)Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Hey man im josh ( talk) 14:42, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.