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The result was delete. The independent and reliable aspects of the sourcing have not been successfully challenged. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 23:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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subject fails WP:NMUSIC and no indepdnent reliable source found to indicate subject pass WP:N Cassiopeia( talk) 04:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Cassiopeia( talk) 04:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete. The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. None of the references cited in the article are reliable. I did a Google search and could not find any coverage of him being discussed in reliable sources. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 14:14, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
- I have been a member of the Wikipedia community for over 10 years. I have made many contributions over those 10 years. With regard to the Vaga Baby article, there are several reliable sources cited. Apple, Amazon, and iHeartRadio are a few of the sources that were used. These sources view Vaga Baby as a notable celebrity. It would not be fair or reasonable to delete an article that contains citations from the aforementioned sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techno31 ( talk • contribs) 15:23, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
- Techno31 You sent me a message on my talk page and also you have commented the same here, I understand your disagreement as the creator of the page and since this AfD is the right venue, I reply you here. Apple, Amazon, and iHeartRadio are all not independent sources, as they are related to the subject for playing their songs. In Wikipedia, for a subject to be notable, first the subject needs to be qualified/passed the notability guidelines or WP:NMUSIC for a musician/signer/band. Secondly, the content needs to be supported by significant coverage by independent, reliable sources such as from the newspaper or books, where by the sources talk about the subject in length and in depth and not passing mentioned. In a nutshell pls see WP:42. Thank you. Cassiopeia( talk) 05:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete — WOW the
bluedgeon is real out here. But yeah basically what
Versace1608 said, I don’t see
WP:MUSICBIO being satisfied here neither do I see subject of article having in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them so
gng isn’t met either, so yeah a stand alone article isn’t warranted at the moment. Sorry.
Celestina007 (
talk)
14:31, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- I will need a few more days to add the references. I am looking for them now.*** — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techno31 ( talk • contribs) 13:27, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
WorldStarHipHop and Worldwide Spotlight are valid sources that have been cited in a multitude of articles on Wikipedia. I have been a part of the Wikipedia community for over 10 years. I have read over WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO a myriad of times over the past 10 years. I do not simply create articles on a whim. Vaga Baby meets the following criterion:
1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.
7. Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.
10. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. Read the policy and notability guideline on subjects notable only for one event, for further clarifications).
It is required that the artist meet only one of the the criterion listed within WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Vaga Baby meets several.
I will post more references shortly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techno31 ( talk • contribs) 13:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
I will need a few more days to get the article updated with more references. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techno31 ( talk • contribs) 16:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for giving me the chance to revise the article. I added a new reference to the page. I cited an article from MarketWatch. [1] This adds to the fact that this article is suitable for Wikipedia.
- Delete - Every source in the article as it is right now doesn't seem able to prove notability (as stated above, the likes of Apple are in it to sell things and not to provide reliable information). The article from MarketWatch in particular is a press release. Even if it was a standard news report, it wouldn't be appropriate to build a whole page from a single source, especially one that doesn't go into that much detail. The artist just doesn't appear to be notable, and so deletion is the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 11:21, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
If sources are the issue, I can cite a few more. Because this is a new article, I assumed that more information and sources could be added later on. Nevertheless, I will add a few more sources. I will need a day or two to sit down in front of the computer and add these. Thanks for reviewing. Techno31 ( talk)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- ^ MarketWatch (2020-04-13), Florida Artist, Vaga Baby is Keeping Calm During the Pandemic
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. The independent and reliable aspects of the sourcing have not been successfully challenged. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 23:35, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
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subject fails WP:NMUSIC and no indepdnent reliable source found to indicate subject pass WP:N Cassiopeia( talk) 04:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Cassiopeia( talk) 04:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions. Shellwood ( talk) 04:57, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete. The subject fails WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. None of the references cited in the article are reliable. I did a Google search and could not find any coverage of him being discussed in reliable sources. Versace1608 Wanna Talk? 14:14, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
- I have been a member of the Wikipedia community for over 10 years. I have made many contributions over those 10 years. With regard to the Vaga Baby article, there are several reliable sources cited. Apple, Amazon, and iHeartRadio are a few of the sources that were used. These sources view Vaga Baby as a notable celebrity. It would not be fair or reasonable to delete an article that contains citations from the aforementioned sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techno31 ( talk • contribs) 15:23, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
- Techno31 You sent me a message on my talk page and also you have commented the same here, I understand your disagreement as the creator of the page and since this AfD is the right venue, I reply you here. Apple, Amazon, and iHeartRadio are all not independent sources, as they are related to the subject for playing their songs. In Wikipedia, for a subject to be notable, first the subject needs to be qualified/passed the notability guidelines or WP:NMUSIC for a musician/signer/band. Secondly, the content needs to be supported by significant coverage by independent, reliable sources such as from the newspaper or books, where by the sources talk about the subject in length and in depth and not passing mentioned. In a nutshell pls see WP:42. Thank you. Cassiopeia( talk) 05:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- Delete — WOW the
bluedgeon is real out here. But yeah basically what
Versace1608 said, I don’t see
WP:MUSICBIO being satisfied here neither do I see subject of article having in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them so
gng isn’t met either, so yeah a stand alone article isn’t warranted at the moment. Sorry.
Celestina007 (
talk)
14:31, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
- I will need a few more days to add the references. I am looking for them now.*** — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techno31 ( talk • contribs) 13:27, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
WorldStarHipHop and Worldwide Spotlight are valid sources that have been cited in a multitude of articles on Wikipedia. I have been a part of the Wikipedia community for over 10 years. I have read over WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO a myriad of times over the past 10 years. I do not simply create articles on a whim. Vaga Baby meets the following criterion:
1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.
7. Has become one of the most prominent representatives of a notable style or the most prominent of the local scene of a city; note that the subject must still meet all ordinary Wikipedia standards, including verifiability.
10. Has performed music for a work of media that is notable, e.g., a theme for a network television show, performance in a television show or notable film, inclusion on a notable compilation album, etc. (But if this is the only claim, it is probably more appropriate to have a mention in the main article and redirect to that article. Read the policy and notability guideline on subjects notable only for one event, for further clarifications).
It is required that the artist meet only one of the the criterion listed within WP:GNG and WP:MUSICBIO. Vaga Baby meets several.
I will post more references shortly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techno31 ( talk • contribs) 13:14, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
I will need a few more days to get the article updated with more references. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Techno31 ( talk • contribs) 16:45, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for giving me the chance to revise the article. I added a new reference to the page. I cited an article from MarketWatch. [1] This adds to the fact that this article is suitable for Wikipedia.
- Delete - Every source in the article as it is right now doesn't seem able to prove notability (as stated above, the likes of Apple are in it to sell things and not to provide reliable information). The article from MarketWatch in particular is a press release. Even if it was a standard news report, it wouldn't be appropriate to build a whole page from a single source, especially one that doesn't go into that much detail. The artist just doesn't appear to be notable, and so deletion is the right call. CoffeeWithMarkets ( talk) 11:21, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
If sources are the issue, I can cite a few more. Because this is a new article, I assumed that more information and sources could be added later on. Nevertheless, I will add a few more sources. I will need a day or two to sit down in front of the computer and add these. Thanks for reviewing. Techno31 ( talk)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
- ^ MarketWatch (2020-04-13), Florida Artist, Vaga Baby is Keeping Calm During the Pandemic