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The result was redirect to Croatia#Demographics. Those requesting the article's retention, have failed to present policy backed arguments for their request. Therefore the article's subject is found to not be notable enough to meet the requirements for retention, on its own. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 16:41, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Ukrainians of Croatia
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Delete because there is no coverage of them. This is not a group so much as a census number (less than 2,000), although most of them live in eastern Slavonia (the closest area to Ukraine), several hundred live in Zagreb, according to the census. According to the Croatian article, they are sometimes called Galicians, as many of them came originally from Galicia in southern Poland and northwestern Ukraine. Aside from citation to census, the Croatian article only verifies that "In Zagreb, the Zagreb City Libraries operates the "Central Library of the Ruthenians and Ukrainians in Croatia". Some of the Ukrainians are Pannonian Rusyns (Ruthenians) who were resettled in Slavonia by the Austrians begining in 1745, (Although most were settled in what is now Serbia and Bosnia). There is a cultual association formed in 2008 "Ukrajinska zajednica Republike Hrvatske", but their website has no content. The website of the Rusyn Society of Ukrainians (Toвариству русинiв i українцiв) is dead, but I found this archived page showing dancing. There is apparently a Ruthenian and Ukrainian ethnographic collection in the town of Petrovci, but I found no detailed published description. Bugajski's Ethnic Politics in Eastern Europe: A Guide to Nationality Policies lists the "Alliance of Ruthenians and Ukrainians (Croatia)" as an ethnically based minority political organizations (page 68), and provides a brief description on page 167 of its predecessor for Yugoslavia the "Alliance of Ruthenians and Ukrainians" [Savez Rutenca i Ukrajinca (SRU)], indicating that most of the members were in Serbia. Zagreb Professor Jevgenij Paščenko, professor of the Ukranian language, is a Ukrainian, and a proponent of Ukraian culture. He has published three books about Croatia and Ukraine: Podrijetlo Hrvata i Ukrajina [The origin of the Croats and Ukraine] (2006) which appears to be about early Slavic migrations; Etnogeneza i mitologija Hrvata u kontekstu Ukrajine [Ethnogenic mythology and Croats in the context of Ukraine] (1999) which appears to be comparative folklore; and [From Kiev to Poljica: Following the routes of age-old migration] (2010) which also appears to be about early Slavic migrations. In short, there seems to be nothing published about the Ukrainians of Croatia, except for brief mentions. Fails WP:GNG. -- Bejnar ( talk) 22:37, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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KeepMerge and redirect, because it's a minority recognized by the constitution of Croatia, so it warrants astubredirect, even if you can't find many sources now, there's still WP:POTENTIAL as more stuff could be found about them in older printed sources and obviously in newer, as more ethnologists explore the topic. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:08, 28 December 2015 (UTC)- Delete this is not notable. Curro2 ( talk) 15:28, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- See WP:JUSTNOTNOTABLE. North America 1000 07:11, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
DeleteMerge/Redirect I can not find anything in an admittedly brief search to show this topic passed GNG and there are no sources in the article. Ping me if sources are found and I will reconsider. If there is only the bare fact they are a recognized ethnic minority then redirect to Croatia#Demographics and discuss recognized ethnic minorities there. Jbh Talk 18:04, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- Maybe we should merge it and several others into a new article for Ethnic groups in Croatia? I doubt you'll find much better coverage for many others in addition to the Ukrainians. Note the tail end of the list at {{ Ethnic groups in Croatia}}. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 14:44, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
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- Weak keep somewhat significant group of people in history. On par with Mexicans of Saudi Arabia and Egyptians of Antarctica. Julie2016 ( talk) 21:52, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep it's better we have separate articles for different ethnics BlueBirdo ( talk) 15:21, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Croatia#Demographics. Those requesting the article's retention, have failed to present policy backed arguments for their request. Therefore the article's subject is found to not be notable enough to meet the requirements for retention, on its own. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 16:41, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
Ukrainians of Croatia
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Delete because there is no coverage of them. This is not a group so much as a census number (less than 2,000), although most of them live in eastern Slavonia (the closest area to Ukraine), several hundred live in Zagreb, according to the census. According to the Croatian article, they are sometimes called Galicians, as many of them came originally from Galicia in southern Poland and northwestern Ukraine. Aside from citation to census, the Croatian article only verifies that "In Zagreb, the Zagreb City Libraries operates the "Central Library of the Ruthenians and Ukrainians in Croatia". Some of the Ukrainians are Pannonian Rusyns (Ruthenians) who were resettled in Slavonia by the Austrians begining in 1745, (Although most were settled in what is now Serbia and Bosnia). There is a cultual association formed in 2008 "Ukrajinska zajednica Republike Hrvatske", but their website has no content. The website of the Rusyn Society of Ukrainians (Toвариству русинiв i українцiв) is dead, but I found this archived page showing dancing. There is apparently a Ruthenian and Ukrainian ethnographic collection in the town of Petrovci, but I found no detailed published description. Bugajski's Ethnic Politics in Eastern Europe: A Guide to Nationality Policies lists the "Alliance of Ruthenians and Ukrainians (Croatia)" as an ethnically based minority political organizations (page 68), and provides a brief description on page 167 of its predecessor for Yugoslavia the "Alliance of Ruthenians and Ukrainians" [Savez Rutenca i Ukrajinca (SRU)], indicating that most of the members were in Serbia. Zagreb Professor Jevgenij Paščenko, professor of the Ukranian language, is a Ukrainian, and a proponent of Ukraian culture. He has published three books about Croatia and Ukraine: Podrijetlo Hrvata i Ukrajina [The origin of the Croats and Ukraine] (2006) which appears to be about early Slavic migrations; Etnogeneza i mitologija Hrvata u kontekstu Ukrajine [Ethnogenic mythology and Croats in the context of Ukraine] (1999) which appears to be comparative folklore; and [From Kiev to Poljica: Following the routes of age-old migration] (2010) which also appears to be about early Slavic migrations. In short, there seems to be nothing published about the Ukrainians of Croatia, except for brief mentions. Fails WP:GNG. -- Bejnar ( talk) 22:37, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
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KeepMerge and redirect, because it's a minority recognized by the constitution of Croatia, so it warrants astubredirect, even if you can't find many sources now, there's still WP:POTENTIAL as more stuff could be found about them in older printed sources and obviously in newer, as more ethnologists explore the topic. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 10:08, 28 December 2015 (UTC)- Delete this is not notable. Curro2 ( talk) 15:28, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- See WP:JUSTNOTNOTABLE. North America 1000 07:11, 19 January 2016 (UTC)
DeleteMerge/Redirect I can not find anything in an admittedly brief search to show this topic passed GNG and there are no sources in the article. Ping me if sources are found and I will reconsider. If there is only the bare fact they are a recognized ethnic minority then redirect to Croatia#Demographics and discuss recognized ethnic minorities there. Jbh Talk 18:04, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
- Maybe we should merge it and several others into a new article for Ethnic groups in Croatia? I doubt you'll find much better coverage for many others in addition to the Ukrainians. Note the tail end of the list at {{ Ethnic groups in Croatia}}. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 14:44, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
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- Weak keep somewhat significant group of people in history. On par with Mexicans of Saudi Arabia and Egyptians of Antarctica. Julie2016 ( talk) 21:52, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America 1000 02:26, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
- Keep it's better we have separate articles for different ethnics BlueBirdo ( talk) 15:21, 11 January 2016 (UTC)
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