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The result was delete. We gave it time but a good argument to counter that detailed delete argument has not emerged Spartaz Humbug! 14:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Turner Landing, Kentucky
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This one gets a bit technical, but it's a locale (geography), which is defined as not community, so it doesn't pass WP:GEOLAND or WP:GEOFEAT without passing WP:GNG. Rennick's index calls it a locale, and his county history mentions a Turner, but no Turner Landing. Both the 1931 Cairo, Illinois topographic map and the 1967 Olmsted, Illinois topo have Turner Landing marked in a different, smaller font than is given to the maps' communities of Oscar, Kentucky and Olmsted, Illinois. The font is that given to schools, river landings, and other type things. So since it fails WP:GEOLAND and WP:GEOFEAT, WP:GNG must be met. This is nonsubstantial coverage listing it in a series of points along the Ohio River, along with some lighthouses and shipwrecks. This is just a brief statement that a road was built to Turner's Landing. Someone had a bunch of railroad ties there. There was a road from Turner Landing to nearby Gage, Kentucky. I've found another couple hits, likewise using it as a landmark, but none of this is significant coverage of the place, just name drops. As a locale, it fails the geography SNGs, and GNG-bearing coverage is not forthcoming. Hog Farm Bacon 19:43, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 19:43, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete for the reasons and findings discussed and cited above. In addition, Palmer-Ball and Barron (1986) mentions a "Turner's Landing" in the Ballard County Wildlife Management Area. and the map of the Ballard County Wildlife Management Area shows a "Turner's Landing Road" in it.The above discussion and context of the occurences of "Turner's Landing" makes me think that Turner Landing is a corruption of "Turner's Landing" that likely once was an insignificant, historic steamboat stop that has been largely forgotten. Maybe it could be located using historic navigation charts of the Ohio River.
- Finally, the Ballard County Chamber of Commerce web page states "Our other communities are ... Needmore, Turner Landing, Winford, ... and New York." as if there is a current community by that name. If it was not original research, I would be tempted email them and ask them does it really exist and where exactly is it located.
- Reference cited: Palmer-Ball, B., and Barron, A., 1986. Western Kentucky Observations.
Kentucky Warbler (Vol. 58, no. 4), pp. 75-80,
Kentucky Library Research Collections
Paul H. (
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01:17, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
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Paul H.: In Wikipedia, "
original research" refers to you publishing in mainspace something not published by someone else first. It does not forbid the pursuit of further information.
Normal Op (
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02:49, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- I think we'll need a little more than that claim to establish it as a community, even if Ballard County calls it one in that place, as the weight of the evidence still suggests a steamboat landing that doesn't quite meet GNG. There was definitely something here in the past, but it doesn't seem to rise to the bar of enwiki notability. Hog Farm Bacon 03:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- @
Paul H.: In Wikipedia, "
original research" refers to you publishing in mainspace something not published by someone else first. It does not forbid the pursuit of further information.
Normal Op (
talk)
02:49, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 03:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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The result was delete. We gave it time but a good argument to counter that detailed delete argument has not emerged Spartaz Humbug! 14:28, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Turner Landing, Kentucky
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This one gets a bit technical, but it's a locale (geography), which is defined as not community, so it doesn't pass WP:GEOLAND or WP:GEOFEAT without passing WP:GNG. Rennick's index calls it a locale, and his county history mentions a Turner, but no Turner Landing. Both the 1931 Cairo, Illinois topographic map and the 1967 Olmsted, Illinois topo have Turner Landing marked in a different, smaller font than is given to the maps' communities of Oscar, Kentucky and Olmsted, Illinois. The font is that given to schools, river landings, and other type things. So since it fails WP:GEOLAND and WP:GEOFEAT, WP:GNG must be met. This is nonsubstantial coverage listing it in a series of points along the Ohio River, along with some lighthouses and shipwrecks. This is just a brief statement that a road was built to Turner's Landing. Someone had a bunch of railroad ties there. There was a road from Turner Landing to nearby Gage, Kentucky. I've found another couple hits, likewise using it as a landmark, but none of this is significant coverage of the place, just name drops. As a locale, it fails the geography SNGs, and GNG-bearing coverage is not forthcoming. Hog Farm Bacon 19:43, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 19:43, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kentucky-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 19:43, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete for the reasons and findings discussed and cited above. In addition, Palmer-Ball and Barron (1986) mentions a "Turner's Landing" in the Ballard County Wildlife Management Area. and the map of the Ballard County Wildlife Management Area shows a "Turner's Landing Road" in it.The above discussion and context of the occurences of "Turner's Landing" makes me think that Turner Landing is a corruption of "Turner's Landing" that likely once was an insignificant, historic steamboat stop that has been largely forgotten. Maybe it could be located using historic navigation charts of the Ohio River.
- Finally, the Ballard County Chamber of Commerce web page states "Our other communities are ... Needmore, Turner Landing, Winford, ... and New York." as if there is a current community by that name. If it was not original research, I would be tempted email them and ask them does it really exist and where exactly is it located.
- Reference cited: Palmer-Ball, B., and Barron, A., 1986. Western Kentucky Observations.
Kentucky Warbler (Vol. 58, no. 4), pp. 75-80,
Kentucky Library Research Collections
Paul H. (
talk)
01:17, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- @
Paul H.: In Wikipedia, "
original research" refers to you publishing in mainspace something not published by someone else first. It does not forbid the pursuit of further information.
Normal Op (
talk)
02:49, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- I think we'll need a little more than that claim to establish it as a community, even if Ballard County calls it one in that place, as the weight of the evidence still suggests a steamboat landing that doesn't quite meet GNG. There was definitely something here in the past, but it doesn't seem to rise to the bar of enwiki notability. Hog Farm Bacon 03:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
- @
Paul H.: In Wikipedia, "
original research" refers to you publishing in mainspace something not published by someone else first. It does not forbid the pursuit of further information.
Normal Op (
talk)
02:49, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 ( talk) 03:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.