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The result was delete. Since the only Keep rationales are based on the OBE, which does not confer automatic notability, and the subject has requested deletion, I think the outcom here is clear. Black Kite (talk) 08:48, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Tunde Banjoko
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Despite receiving an OBE there is no indication Banjoko meets Wikipedia's standards of notability. Coverage consists of passing mentions only. The organization he founded may be notable; Banjoko himself does not meet WP:GNG. Sources are merely passing mentions, list entries, or Banjoko being quoted on his organization, not detailed coverage of Banjoko himself. Huon ( talk) 22:43, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
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Keep: He was awarded Order of the British Empire which is I think enough for his notability as per WP:ANYBIO.He does have some coverage like in this reliable book. Judith Leary-Joyce (27 December 2012). The Psychology of Success: Secrets of serial achievement. Pearson UK. pp. 40–. ISBN 0-273-74695-2.. Article also has some references. -- Human3015 TALK 23:09, 16 October 2015 (UTC)- Keep: Huon - do you have any idea what an Order of the British Empire is? It's an order of chivalry that is only awarded for outstanding achievement. They're not given away like Purple Hearts. Anybody who has been awarded an OBE is notable. And the sources are reliable. Bamber Clarte ( talk) 08:00, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - for the record, Tunde Banjoko has contacted OTRS ( VRTS ticket # 2015101610019154) and requested deletion of this article on grounds of notability and privacy concerns. It seems Banjoko disagrees with the assertion that an OBE means automatic notability. Since there are more than 100,000 living members of the OBE, more than one in 1000 Britons, I agree with him. For comparison, military personnel is presumed to be notable if they were awarded the highest order for valor; being awarded a military MBE would not mean automatic notability. The same should hold for civilian awards by analogy. For low-profile individuals like Banjoko the Presumption in favor of privacy should hold. Huon ( talk) 10:43, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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Huon I have some questions regarding this. I am not particularly asking about this article but it is in general. How we can delete an article on request of the subject? If we don't create article on his/her request then why we should delete on his/her request? To avoid any kind of BLP violation maximum we can do is to remove unsourced content, remove allegations or legal matter on which trial is going on in court etc. But if someone is surely notable and if he/she asks to delete his/her article then what we should do? I think deletion of article should be based on consensus of the Wikipedia community. --
Human3015
TALK 11:39, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- As I pointed out above, there is a presumption in favor of privacy. Banjoko isn't "surely notable"; three passing mentions and a book that uses him as a case study don't equate to significant coverage. I remember a guideline stating that in such cases the subject's wishes to remove an article should be taken into account, but I couldn't find it again. Huon ( talk) 12:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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Huon I have some questions regarding this. I am not particularly asking about this article but it is in general. How we can delete an article on request of the subject? If we don't create article on his/her request then why we should delete on his/her request? To avoid any kind of BLP violation maximum we can do is to remove unsourced content, remove allegations or legal matter on which trial is going on in court etc. But if someone is surely notable and if he/she asks to delete his/her article then what we should do? I think deletion of article should be based on consensus of the Wikipedia community. --
Human3015
TALK 11:39, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Keep: the criteria for being made an OBE are far more stringent than those for being given your own Wikipedia page. And while we're on the subject were did this figure of 100,000 living members of the OBE come from? And since when has notability been measured in the number of web search results? Unknown Unknowns ( talk) 16:05, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: The Order of the British Empire is divided into five classes - we generally accept that the three highest classes (of which relatively few are awarded) are sufficient to assume notability, but the letters OBE indicate that the subject's award was in the fourth class. This does not automatically mean that the subject is not notable - the activities of the subject that gained him the award might well independently meet WP:GNG, but it does mean that this needs to be established. PWilkinson ( talk) 23:25, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - the sources provided are trivial mentions and my own searches turned up almost nothing about him. I would point out that he's given quotes to Bloomberg and Huffington Post, so I'm not sure if he qualifies as a WP:LOWPROFILE person. mikeman67 ( talk) 00:54, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: Like I said before, web presence is no indication of notability. If this article breaches some Wikipedia privacy policy then please cite it and then delete the article. Otherwise keep it. Unknown Unknowns ( talk) 09:12, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- Lack of coverage in reliable third-party sources very much is an indication of a lack of notability; see
WP:GNG. I haven't seen any evidence that there are significant offline sources discussing Banjoko in any detail. "Web presence" is a red herring. By the way, the number of 100,000 (including MBEs) comes from the
monarchy's own website.
Huon (
talk) 09:51, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- Comment That's still only about 0.2% of the population. Bamber Clarte ( talk) 22:41, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- And that's not just OBEs. Far more MBEs are awarded than OBEs. Still quite a few OBEs though. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:45, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Lack of coverage in reliable third-party sources very much is an indication of a lack of notability; see
WP:GNG. I haven't seen any evidence that there are significant offline sources discussing Banjoko in any detail. "Web presence" is a red herring. By the way, the number of 100,000 (including MBEs) comes from the
monarchy's own website.
Huon (
talk) 09:51, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. Note that we have never considered the OBE sufficient for notability on its own, although it is a contributing factor. You have to have a CBE or above for any form of inherent notability. OBEs and MBEs are just much too common. If he had an entry in Who's Who I'd be more convinced of his notability, but he doesn't. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:45, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete: I would like to change my earlier vote, as Huon pointed out that according to official website there are more than 100,000 living awardees of OBE, so we should create article on those who passes WP:GNG. There can be much more winners of this award who are not-living. I don't know exact number of articles that WikiProject UK has but WikiProject India has 152,000 articles, I think if we make article on every living and dead OBE winner then their number can cross all articles related to India. We should create article on only those having some reasonable coverage.-- Human3015 TALK 17:43, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Since the only Keep rationales are based on the OBE, which does not confer automatic notability, and the subject has requested deletion, I think the outcom here is clear. Black Kite (talk) 08:48, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Tunde Banjoko
- Tunde Banjoko ( | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – ( View log · Stats)
- (Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL)
Despite receiving an OBE there is no indication Banjoko meets Wikipedia's standards of notability. Coverage consists of passing mentions only. The organization he founded may be notable; Banjoko himself does not meet WP:GNG. Sources are merely passing mentions, list entries, or Banjoko being quoted on his organization, not detailed coverage of Banjoko himself. Huon ( talk) 22:43, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Human3015 TALK 22:48, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Human3015 TALK 22:49, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
Keep: He was awarded Order of the British Empire which is I think enough for his notability as per WP:ANYBIO.He does have some coverage like in this reliable book. Judith Leary-Joyce (27 December 2012). The Psychology of Success: Secrets of serial achievement. Pearson UK. pp. 40–. ISBN 0-273-74695-2.. Article also has some references. -- Human3015 TALK 23:09, 16 October 2015 (UTC)- Keep: Huon - do you have any idea what an Order of the British Empire is? It's an order of chivalry that is only awarded for outstanding achievement. They're not given away like Purple Hearts. Anybody who has been awarded an OBE is notable. And the sources are reliable. Bamber Clarte ( talk) 08:00, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Comment - for the record, Tunde Banjoko has contacted OTRS ( VRTS ticket # 2015101610019154) and requested deletion of this article on grounds of notability and privacy concerns. It seems Banjoko disagrees with the assertion that an OBE means automatic notability. Since there are more than 100,000 living members of the OBE, more than one in 1000 Britons, I agree with him. For comparison, military personnel is presumed to be notable if they were awarded the highest order for valor; being awarded a military MBE would not mean automatic notability. The same should hold for civilian awards by analogy. For low-profile individuals like Banjoko the Presumption in favor of privacy should hold. Huon ( talk) 10:43, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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Huon I have some questions regarding this. I am not particularly asking about this article but it is in general. How we can delete an article on request of the subject? If we don't create article on his/her request then why we should delete on his/her request? To avoid any kind of BLP violation maximum we can do is to remove unsourced content, remove allegations or legal matter on which trial is going on in court etc. But if someone is surely notable and if he/she asks to delete his/her article then what we should do? I think deletion of article should be based on consensus of the Wikipedia community. --
Human3015
TALK 11:39, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- As I pointed out above, there is a presumption in favor of privacy. Banjoko isn't "surely notable"; three passing mentions and a book that uses him as a case study don't equate to significant coverage. I remember a guideline stating that in such cases the subject's wishes to remove an article should be taken into account, but I couldn't find it again. Huon ( talk) 12:29, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
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Huon I have some questions regarding this. I am not particularly asking about this article but it is in general. How we can delete an article on request of the subject? If we don't create article on his/her request then why we should delete on his/her request? To avoid any kind of BLP violation maximum we can do is to remove unsourced content, remove allegations or legal matter on which trial is going on in court etc. But if someone is surely notable and if he/she asks to delete his/her article then what we should do? I think deletion of article should be based on consensus of the Wikipedia community. --
Human3015
TALK 11:39, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Keep: the criteria for being made an OBE are far more stringent than those for being given your own Wikipedia page. And while we're on the subject were did this figure of 100,000 living members of the OBE come from? And since when has notability been measured in the number of web search results? Unknown Unknowns ( talk) 16:05, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: The Order of the British Empire is divided into five classes - we generally accept that the three highest classes (of which relatively few are awarded) are sufficient to assume notability, but the letters OBE indicate that the subject's award was in the fourth class. This does not automatically mean that the subject is not notable - the activities of the subject that gained him the award might well independently meet WP:GNG, but it does mean that this needs to be established. PWilkinson ( talk) 23:25, 17 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete - the sources provided are trivial mentions and my own searches turned up almost nothing about him. I would point out that he's given quotes to Bloomberg and Huffington Post, so I'm not sure if he qualifies as a WP:LOWPROFILE person. mikeman67 ( talk) 00:54, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- Comment: Like I said before, web presence is no indication of notability. If this article breaches some Wikipedia privacy policy then please cite it and then delete the article. Otherwise keep it. Unknown Unknowns ( talk) 09:12, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- Lack of coverage in reliable third-party sources very much is an indication of a lack of notability; see
WP:GNG. I haven't seen any evidence that there are significant offline sources discussing Banjoko in any detail. "Web presence" is a red herring. By the way, the number of 100,000 (including MBEs) comes from the
monarchy's own website.
Huon (
talk) 09:51, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- Comment That's still only about 0.2% of the population. Bamber Clarte ( talk) 22:41, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- And that's not just OBEs. Far more MBEs are awarded than OBEs. Still quite a few OBEs though. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:45, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Lack of coverage in reliable third-party sources very much is an indication of a lack of notability; see
WP:GNG. I haven't seen any evidence that there are significant offline sources discussing Banjoko in any detail. "Web presence" is a red herring. By the way, the number of 100,000 (including MBEs) comes from the
monarchy's own website.
Huon (
talk) 09:51, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete. Note that we have never considered the OBE sufficient for notability on its own, although it is a contributing factor. You have to have a CBE or above for any form of inherent notability. OBEs and MBEs are just much too common. If he had an entry in Who's Who I'd be more convinced of his notability, but he doesn't. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 13:45, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
- Delete: I would like to change my earlier vote, as Huon pointed out that according to official website there are more than 100,000 living awardees of OBE, so we should create article on those who passes WP:GNG. There can be much more winners of this award who are not-living. I don't know exact number of articles that WikiProject UK has but WikiProject India has 152,000 articles, I think if we make article on every living and dead OBE winner then their number can cross all articles related to India. We should create article on only those having some reasonable coverage.-- Human3015 TALK 17:43, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.