- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was keep. Sourcing was cleaned-up/updated, ref-bomb issues were fixed. Hence, recent delete vote was addressed. asilvering did a great job managing this process. (non-admin closure) TLA (talk) 10:18, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Tuko.co.ke
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All the sources are very base: Business exists, business does business things. No notability. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NORG. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Business, Companies, and Kenya. UtherSRG (talk) 14:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep because this project has dozens of sources which are recognizable and noteworthy. Obviously has made significant contributions in its home country. International and regional notability is still notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathantx ( talk • contribs) 15:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: News media and Websites. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:20, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: this looks like a promotional refbomb. "Buisiness exists, business does business things" is an accurate way to describe it. All the references appear to be non-independent coverage or no-byline news briefs. -- asilvering ( talk) 00:42, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Looks like a lot of sources but it's refbombed. Some sources merely confirm minor awards won. LibStar ( talk) 03:48, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep one of the major/biggest Kenyan news media, with a refbomb problem though. Looks notable and as a small article or a stub could look even better. --
BoraVoro (
talk) 09:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ BoraVoro can you highlight which sources you think show notability? -- asilvering ( talk) 09:17, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 20:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per its inherent notability as the largest digital media in Kenya, and also significant coverage from books on Kenyan politics and media about the website, I added to the page. This also balances other references which are not too deep so to say. P.S. Promotional content should not lead to a vote for deletion, just as neutral content should not warrant a vote to keep the page. --
NiLok223 (
talk) 10:42, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ NiLok223 can you highlight the sources you've identified as sigcov in this discussion, please? -- asilvering ( talk) 21:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. According to kenyans.co.ke, Tuko.co.ke is one of the most popular media outlets in Kenya, with the highest traffic among other sites in the country, as confirmed here or here. Such ratings confirm the notability and the article meets WP:GNG -- Loewstisch ( talk) 11:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 09:04, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: the prose is in the form of a list and it feels ADVERT-y. Could be notable with a WP:TNT. If one of the Keep !voters finds good sources out of all of those, please let me know. —asparagusus (interaction) sprouts! 16:13, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I have found additional evidence from the
Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism confirming that TUKO is a leading media in Kenya, which should help with notability issue.
[1]. Regarding sources, I already added two books that provide comprehensive coverage and analysis of the subject's significance in Kenya's media landscape. --
NiLok223 (
talk) 08:59, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ NiLok223, it would be really helpful if you - or anyone else - could clearly identify what you think are the best sources with the most significant coverage. It is very possible that people who have already !voted delete will change their minds if shown good sources (see for example the !vote immediately above your comment). Everyone who has called for "delete" has already looked at the article, so telling us "it's in the article" won't help. If we've missed something (which is easy when it's so refbombed), please let us know what it is. -- asilvering ( talk) 19:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I've cleared out a lot of the refbomb. It should be easier to see the relevant sources now. I haven't rewritten anything or checked any of the sources for verifiability or notability, but it should be easier for someone to convert the remaining "list of facts" problem into actual narrative sentences. Editors mostly concerned with the adverty nature might want to take a second look. -- asilvering ( talk) 20:07, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the subject is definitely notable as the most or top-3 most visited websites (not media) in Kenya. I would suggest deviating from the classical approach as per WPNCORP and WP:THREE since the media often do not cover their rivals (I've recently read somewhere a good discussion on that matter on Wiki). Additionally, the Tuko website is the biggest news publisher on Facebook globally (not in Kenya) surpassing the global leader Daily Mail - per Oct and Nov 2022 reports by social media engagement tracking firm NewsWhip [2] and [3]. According to Alexa ranking (Feb 2022), Tuko was the third most visited website in Kenya after Google and YouTube, followed by Facebook. Therefore, the page meets the General Notability Guidelines (GNG). The sources added during that discussion, including books and others, and the removal of advert lines significantly improve the page as well Johnpaul2030 ( talk) 08:42, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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The result was keep. Sourcing was cleaned-up/updated, ref-bomb issues were fixed. Hence, recent delete vote was addressed. asilvering did a great job managing this process. (non-admin closure) TLA (talk) 10:18, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
Tuko.co.ke
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All the sources are very base: Business exists, business does business things. No notability. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NORG. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Business, Companies, and Kenya. UtherSRG (talk) 14:34, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Keep because this project has dozens of sources which are recognizable and noteworthy. Obviously has made significant contributions in its home country. International and regional notability is still notability. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nathantx ( talk • contribs) 15:21, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: News media and Websites. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:20, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: this looks like a promotional refbomb. "Buisiness exists, business does business things" is an accurate way to describe it. All the references appear to be non-independent coverage or no-byline news briefs. -- asilvering ( talk) 00:42, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete Looks like a lot of sources but it's refbombed. Some sources merely confirm minor awards won. LibStar ( talk) 03:48, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep one of the major/biggest Kenyan news media, with a refbomb problem though. Looks notable and as a small article or a stub could look even better. --
BoraVoro (
talk) 09:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ BoraVoro can you highlight which sources you think show notability? -- asilvering ( talk) 09:17, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 20:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per its inherent notability as the largest digital media in Kenya, and also significant coverage from books on Kenyan politics and media about the website, I added to the page. This also balances other references which are not too deep so to say. P.S. Promotional content should not lead to a vote for deletion, just as neutral content should not warrant a vote to keep the page. --
NiLok223 (
talk) 10:42, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ NiLok223 can you highlight the sources you've identified as sigcov in this discussion, please? -- asilvering ( talk) 21:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. According to kenyans.co.ke, Tuko.co.ke is one of the most popular media outlets in Kenya, with the highest traffic among other sites in the country, as confirmed here or here. Such ratings confirm the notability and the article meets WP:GNG -- Loewstisch ( talk) 11:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel ( talk) 09:04, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Delete: the prose is in the form of a list and it feels ADVERT-y. Could be notable with a WP:TNT. If one of the Keep !voters finds good sources out of all of those, please let me know. —asparagusus (interaction) sprouts! 16:13, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment I have found additional evidence from the
Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism confirming that TUKO is a leading media in Kenya, which should help with notability issue.
[1]. Regarding sources, I already added two books that provide comprehensive coverage and analysis of the subject's significance in Kenya's media landscape. --
NiLok223 (
talk) 08:59, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- @ NiLok223, it would be really helpful if you - or anyone else - could clearly identify what you think are the best sources with the most significant coverage. It is very possible that people who have already !voted delete will change their minds if shown good sources (see for example the !vote immediately above your comment). Everyone who has called for "delete" has already looked at the article, so telling us "it's in the article" won't help. If we've missed something (which is easy when it's so refbombed), please let us know what it is. -- asilvering ( talk) 19:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I've cleared out a lot of the refbomb. It should be easier to see the relevant sources now. I haven't rewritten anything or checked any of the sources for verifiability or notability, but it should be easier for someone to convert the remaining "list of facts" problem into actual narrative sentences. Editors mostly concerned with the adverty nature might want to take a second look. -- asilvering ( talk) 20:07, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the subject is definitely notable as the most or top-3 most visited websites (not media) in Kenya. I would suggest deviating from the classical approach as per WPNCORP and WP:THREE since the media often do not cover their rivals (I've recently read somewhere a good discussion on that matter on Wiki). Additionally, the Tuko website is the biggest news publisher on Facebook globally (not in Kenya) surpassing the global leader Daily Mail - per Oct and Nov 2022 reports by social media engagement tracking firm NewsWhip [2] and [3]. According to Alexa ranking (Feb 2022), Tuko was the third most visited website in Kenya after Google and YouTube, followed by Facebook. Therefore, the page meets the General Notability Guidelines (GNG). The sources added during that discussion, including books and others, and the removal of advert lines significantly improve the page as well Johnpaul2030 ( talk) 08:42, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.